Where is Steven Greer?

Anyone heard any updates on the disclosure Project or Steven Greer?

Truthufo

Truthufo is soon to be back . I recently decided to start a small Internet Radio show at truthufo, Kind of inspired by coast to coast am But more focussed on UFO's and space technology.

I plan to conduct Live interviews of interesting people with interesting stories about UFO's.

Truthufo.com will not be back online for another week or so But the New site will be awsom and have some really cool Interviews on it. Ill add an update reply to this topic once I upload the new site, Till then Keep your eyes Above :alien:


jin

"The Karma of Evolution"

It is amazing to me, Gods Own little Irony or "The Karma of Evolution".

I look at disease for example. It does not live in perfect equilibrium with its Host. It kills its Host and tries to Spread, For that its chances of survival lessens. I began to ask my self "WHY"? Why would something evolve to kill a host and Not live in Balance with it keeping it in good health and it in turn supports you?

Then I looked at the host. I drive by Cattle every day here in hawaii. It is discusting what I see us doing to these animals. They live in $hit! It smells like death. And just where does Mad cow disease come from? I read it had to do with Our feeding dead cows back to the cows. From the Hooves that walk in $hit all day and when they die and get all grined up and fed back to the cattle. Well here we have it.

What other Host Killing Disease do we have? Aids? I my self think AIDS Was created By our own government but it is still a disease that damages and kills the Host.

More about the Host. Are we our self a Disease? How do we treat Our Host "Earth" Do we respect it as if It is its OWN life? Or do we more comonly refer to her as Ours and damage her till the end?

Are we our self a Disease By defination?

nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment.
2. any abnormal condition in a plant that interferes with its vital physiological processes, caused by pathogenic microorganisms, parasites, unfavorable environmental, genetic, or nutritional factors, etc.
3. any harmful, depraved, or morbid condition, as of the mind or society


Wow maybe we the people need to be reading that defination a little more often. We our selfs are a Disease to this planet and do you know what Hosts try to do when they get a Disease? It is by nature that we Fight Off Disease.

How bout the Animals? Are we a Disease to them as well? "Imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors"

So as you excuse much of our Peoples Faults and simply state "We are not perfect" I will point out that Perfect Beings Survive and Imperfect beings will Die. That is Evolution and I believe that as well.

That being said, Again Less we as a humanity clean it up, And I mean really clean it up. We will not be excepted into any Glactic system of a people.

It is much more likely that we will all be left to die. Which is not a bad thing, Because all the porn loveing child rapers and drug users, Or just call them Disease By defination. Will be Faught by this world and every Host it takes. In the end they will all die and if any are left it will be thous with class, respect and balance.

Its as simple as knowing the amount of balance it woudl take to cross the stars. You have to reuse your own excrement, food, water. you have to have balance to travel to another world and If you ask me.

That in it self is the very purpose of our having such a vast Gap. It is a lesson, Thous of you who abuse your world will be trapped and left to die. While thous of you who learn to live in balance and respect will learn to travel on and take new worlds..

It is kind of an ethnic clensing By the God itself if you will. Never the less it is fact. Hosts will Fight disease, We the people are ALL a disease untill we as a Whole are NOT.

As long as any 1 person has a disrespect for this world we are still a disease. As long as we fail to respect every being opn this world we are a disease.

Read the defination of Disease! It is something to think about.

Update on Operation Majestic 12 Documents

First I am going to say, All the crap I see posted here that is Nothing to do with UFO's really as we know them. Again Ill state the point is that UFO is not just some light in the sky we dont know what is. Today UFOlogy is in fact the study Of UFO's and how they relate to Aliens and secret Government.

I read many people saying we have a lack of evidence but I just do not see this to be true. Again men have been put to death In USA for less evidence than this.. Far less. So why is it not enough? Do you need a UFO to Abduct you to smell a rat?

I think Anyone interested In really knowing what is going on shoudl simply Trust Stanton. Its quiet simple. Stanton never tells a lie. Never dissinforms you . And he simply uses his brain and Logic to show you the real evidence that something is going on.

Stanton Does believe UFO's are Alien related and they have crashed here.

I recently Asked Stanton To write his take on the David Rudiak Ramey Memo. I will be interested In hearing what Stanton has to say about that work. I thought The ramey memo was a GREAT smoking gun!!!

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by Stanton T. Friedman
April 2004







BACKGROUND

It should be no surprise that the various highly classified Operation Majestic 12 or Majic-12 or MJ-12 documents have been attacked since their existence was first made public. Equally unsurprising is the fact that a number of phony or hoax or fraudulent MJ-12 documents have been released as well. Clearly if the original documents: The Eisenhower Briefing Document (EBD) of November 18, 1952; the Truman-Forrestal Memo (TFM) of Sept. 24, 1947 (page 8 of the EBD); and the Cutler-Twining Memo (CTM) of July 14, 1954 (found in July, 1985, in Box 189 of Entry 267 of Record Group 341 at the National Archives by Jaime Shandera and William Moore) are genuine, then the consequences are enormous. Aliens are visiting earth; the government has recovered at least one crashed saucer and several alien bodies; and a very significant group of outstanding American scientists and military leaders has collected, reviewed, evaluated, and kept secret all kinds of information about the visitors. Man is NOT alone and the government has covered up the biggest story of the millennium at least since 1947.

Ten years after the 1984 receipt of a roll of exposed 35mm film by Jaime Shandera at his Burbank, California home and his efforts with William Moore and myself to evaluate them, a new roll of film showed up in the mailbox of aviation and science writer (and longtime ufologist) Don Berliner. This contained many pages of SOM 1-01: Majestic 12 Group SPECIAL OPERATIONS MANUAL: "Extraterrestrial Entities and Technology, Recovery and Disposal." Meanwhile Tim Cooper, a researcher in Big Bear Lake, California, began receiving loads of supposedly related MJ-12 documents. There would appear to be no connection between the original three documents and the SOM 1.01 (Mailed from Wisconsin rather than Albuquerque, NM) or the mass of Tim Cooper documents which were usually in the form of Xerox copies, often only legible with difficulty and received by him by mail or dropped off at his PO Box.

THE DEBUNKERS

There seem to be several distinct groups attacking the documents:

A. There are those who believe (despite all the evidence to the contrary) that no alien spacecraft have ever visited Earth. Therefore, any documents saying that they have must be false. No need to do a detailed investigation, to spend time in Archives, research the people involved, etc. THEY MUST BE FRAUDULENT!!

B. There are those who are convinced that some UFOs are indeed alien spacecraft, but that no saucer crashed near Roswell because they haven't found any other classified documents indicating any have. Karl Pflock in his book (Ref.1) epitomizes this approach. If no saucer crashed at Roswell, then the documents must be fake.

C. There are several former military people who are convinced that the documents must be false because the style, format, details, etc. do not match what they would have expected them to be based on their military service from the 1960s onward. This ignores the many changes in office procedures (copy machines, word processors, etc.) and the fact that the White House is a civilian organization not a military one.

D. There are a lot of armchair theorists who think they can make judgements without doing any homework at all.

In much of the discussion one finds the use of the four basic rules for debunking of any controversial idea:

1. What the public doesn't know, I won't tell them.

2. Don't bother me with the facts, my mind is made up.

3. If one can't attack the data, attack the people; it is easier.

4. Do one's research by proclamation; investigation is too much trouble.

Another important rule for some of the attackers is that "Absence of Evidence is Evidence for Absence." Karl Pflock and others cite numerous documents, mostly only classified Secret, that say nothing about Roswell or MAJESTIC 12. This, of course, neglects the fact that there are still numerous documents from the Truman and Eisenhower eras 1945-1961 that are still classified, that we rarely see documents that have classification stamps of TOP SECRET Code Word (TSCW). I was told in November, 2003, by an archivist at the Ike Library that they still have about 300,000 pages of classified documents. We know that the NSA classified 156 UFO documents (found in response to a Judge's directive) as TOP SECRET UMBRA when they finally released a highly expurgated version (about two lines per page are not covered with Wite-Out), supposedly because that information is about sources and methods. Why would it be listed under UFOs if only 5% is about UFOs?

In addition, as a result of my spending a lot of time at twenty different Document Archives from coast to coast, I can say that almost never does one find TSCW documents about anything. The best documents for comparison with the EBD would be the four National Security Briefings for President-Elect Eisenhower presented by DCI Walter B. Smith in the time period between Ike's election on November 4, 1952, and January 9, 1953, when Smith informed President Truman of his security briefings for Ike before and after the election. Unfortunately, despite my FOIA request to the CIA and a subsequent appeal to their response ("We have nothing in response to your request" even though I gave the dates and times of two of the briefings), we have no such documents for comparison.

I won't try to cover all the existent literature on the documents. There is my 1990 108-page "Final Report On Operation Majestic 12" (Ref. 2) and my 272-page 1996 book "TOP SECRET/MAJIC" (Ref. 3). There are several lengthy papers (Ref. 4-8) and Kevin Randle's new book "Case MJ-12" (Ref. 9). There are also numerous statements on the Internet.

Academics have found it necessary to jump into the fray as well, often without benefit of any research. For example, Carl Sagan (Ref.10) said "The Air Force says the documents are bogus. And UFO expert Philip J. Klass and others find lexicographic inconsistencies that suggest the whole thing is a hoax." He seemed to be unaware of the fact that Klass had paid me $1000.00 for providing more than fourteen documents done in exactly the same Pica typeface as the Cutler-Twining Memo though Klass, on the basis of nine Elite Typeface documents (obtained by him by mail, he had never been to the Ike Library) of the 250,000 pages of NSC material at the Ike Library, had insisted the CTM should have been done in Elite! Some lexicographic research! Our correspondence and a copy of his check to me are in Ref. 2.

Dr. Robert Alan Goldberg in the Roswell Chapter of his book "Enemies Within" (Ref. 11) stated

Evidence of malfeasance was plentiful. Critics noted that the date format did not conform to governmental style, the papers carried no top secret registration number, military titles were improperly noted and signatures appeared to be grafted on to the document. Anachronistic usages like "media" and "impacted" further betrayed the find.
Goldberg is a Professor of History at the University of Utah. Anybody spending much time at the Truman and Eisenhower Archives would find many different date formats in classified, limited distribution, old documents. In Ref. 2 I published three brief cover memos from CIA Director Allen Dulles to White House Staff Secretary Colonel Andrew Goodpaster, done within a ten-day period, using these three date formats: 12 November l956... November 20, 1956... And NOV 22 1956 (Rubber stamp) and even noted one file folder that had seven date formats and found examples of both Roscoe Hillenkoetter and W.B. Smith (DCIs and MJ-12 members) using the day, month, comma, year format of the EBD. Goldberg didn't bother to check the Oxford Dictionary. Both "media" and "impacted" were in use at the time. I will discuss military titles below.

TOP SECRET CONTROL NUMBERS

The old military guys have persistently attacked the fact that the EBD, the TFM, and the CTM items all lacked a TOP SECRET CONTROL number. They vociferously insisted that all TS documents must have a TS control number.

Ed Stewart made a truly strong claim on UFO UPDATES:

For those who might not be aware, here is something that you will not hear from Stanton T. Friedman, even though he is well aware of the fact having visited the archives on many times in his own words. RG 341 is a record group with nothing but declassified Top Secret documents. All documents in the group are filed by control numbers. If a document did not have a Top Secret control number, it would not have been able to be filed in RG 341. Repeat, every document in RG 341 is a Top Secret document that has been declassified and has a control number, the entire record group.
This was a truly incredible proclamation and is totally false. One might be forgiven for thinking Ed was claiming to have reviewed all of RG 341. Record Group 341 has 9787 cubic feet of material (about 1000 4-drawer filling cabinets). I have, since 1985, had a 56-page Preliminary Inventory of the Records for RG 341 which lists various entries and how many feet of files are in each and how much of the total is TS: typically only a few percent. For example "Unclassified through Secret, Incoming and Outgoing messages 1946-Dec. 1957", 1743 ft. Entry 21 of RG 341. "Top Secret Incoming and Outgoing Messages, Oct. 1947-Jan, 1958", 51ft. Entry 23 of RG 341. In other words there were only 3% (51 of 1743) as many TS messages as those through SECRET. Furthermore many of the documents are still classified. I pointed this out on the UFO Updates Internet interest group. Ed's response after a few days of silence was

My apologies to Stanton Friedman. On attempting to verify the statements I made with the source of the information, it became apparent that much that I had posted related to RG 341 was misleading to false. I asked for clarification, which was promised, but after four days was undelivered. I felt a reply to Friedman's last message needed to be time-sensitive to be of any value. Thus my apology to Stanton Friedman and readers of this mailing list for having posted the first paragraph of my last message which is not supported by facts. Unfortunately, I will not be available for further discussion on the UFO subject. I have decided there isn't anyone in this field that I really care to associate with any longer regardless of what their opinions are.
Like the kid who takes his marbles and goes home.

Jan Aldrich who, like Ed, is quite knowledgeable about army classification procedures, later picked up the same argument even after I pointed out that I had been told by the Archivist Larry Bland at the General George Marshall holdings in Virginia, that if they had to use TS control numbers in Marshall's day, on all TS documents, we would still be fighting WW 2. I noted that an archivist at the Ike Library said that often the White House didn't use TS Control numbers. I had published two TS documents without control numbers in Ref. 2 in 1990. One would think they were relevant since they came from Robert Cutler and wound up in General Nathan Twining's papers at the Library of Congress Manuscript Division. Jan said it would only count if the originals at the Ike Library had no TS Control numbers. Dr. Herbert Pankratz at the Ike Library graciously supplied me with a Xerox copy of the one memo he found (It indeed had no TS control number) and noted in writing on January 9, 2003, "We have numerous documents classified as 'TOP SECRET' which do not have control numbers on them." I should stress that, of course, many TS documents do have TS control numbers -- especially when there are multiple copies of a many-page document. The EBD says "Copy One of One."

TOP SECRET RESTRICTED

Many including the US government have made a big thing about the typed security marking on the brief CTM: TOP SECRET RESTRICTED over a line saying SECURITY INFORMATION. The point is that supposedly this was never used and doesn't make sense because TOP SECRET is the highest category and RESTRICTED is the lowest. The Archives in their first version (May 9, 1988) of a commentary about the CTM stated "The Acting Director of the FOI office of the NSC informed us that TSR is a marking which did not come into use at the NSC until the Nixon Administration [1969]. The Eisenhower Presidential Library also confirms that this particular marking was not used during the Eisenhower Administration." They later corrected several false claims in response to data provided by me. I must admit that although I had found Confidential Restricted and Secret Restricted, I had not found TOP SECRET RESTRICTED. Does that mean it wasn't used? NO, since we have seen only a small amount of TS material. It should be noted that often highly classified information from one administration was carried over to the next at the White House rather than being sent to the appropriate presidential Library. The Ike Library had a number of documents from the Truman era that were not at the Truman Library.

The uncertainty was removed when the General Accounting Office in its pursuit in many archives for Roswell-related material made the following statement on page 80 of their 400-plus-page report on their Roswell Investigation:

Dec. 7, 1994, Ms. LJ and I reviewed records pertaining to the Air Force's atomic energy and certain mission and weapons requirements. These files were classified up to and including Top Secret. The period covered by these records was from 1948-1956. There was no mention of the Roswell Incident. No information pertaining to the assignment was obtained. In several instances we noticed the classification Top Secret Restricted used on several documents. This is mentioned because in past references to this classification (Majestic 12) we were told that it was not used during this period." [Italics added]
I tried to obtain copies of the materials they had seen. I was told that the materials were still classified. Clearly absence of evidence was NOT evidence for absence. An obvious question is why would a clever forger use a security marking that was so uncommon rather than just a plain vanilla TOP SECRET? How did he know to place a slant red pencil mark through the marking? I was informed that this was standard practice prior to declassification. An obscure detail indeed


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Science = War

I think it is high national security to control and release bits of technology. For instance a science that would make an easy nuclear bomb from house hold cleaners. You can't have monkeys out there building forest fires because they learned the science of starting a fire. In other words, you can't have science teaching people how to make things to powerful for mans own good. One would have to limit science and it could be taken to that next degree of false science.

I have read about whistle blower scientists and physicists working with Depleted Uranium who had quiet a bit to say about "Science Fraud". Think about that term for a moment please "Science Fraud". What is Science Fraud? Well Maybe it is a matter of national security that we have such fraud or maybe the most Powerful form of politically corruption. What stands clear For One reason or another, Your government doesn't want you to fear the use of Depleted Uranium, They have Scientists say its not a big deal and they have suites that can protect from this, Later you find out the suites do not work and where sold to the government by a politician who was Perhaps sitting in a government position to be in charge of that scientist who stated how safe it was.

I'm not sure people, How or why. The one thing I am sure of, I see clear as daylight in my face is our government absolutely controls technology and releases it to its people for money. Ill give you an example on a small scale "cell phones", Say Sprint had TV phones as long as 5 years ago but, With contracts and the way the agreements are set up, they would cut the model releases into sections such as first release one with mp3s, then release one with mp3s and camera and email, then release one with more and so on.. And if your smart about timing, you can make a hole lot of money.. You have a 2 year contract for the free cellphone, You release the new phone about 7 months into that contract, this person is not eligible for another 19.99 so he will have to pay 240. To 350. For the phone.. As it would seem to be to much, you would not believe the amount of people out there with to much money, who will do it without batting an eye. Hundreds of thousands of 350.00 dollar bills out there to be had And you will want as much time as possible to lead your consumer into buying phones so you will have to come out with the new model soon after your sign promotions.


I'm sure it works like that with Motor companies who sell you a 25,000$ car that requires 50,000$ in Oil during the cycle of its lifetime. Where do you see the Bigger number? So is it wise to make a car that runs on water? Or do we the people have "Science Fraud"?


So what I am getting into is Government technology, How far ahead they are and why. I think above covered the "Why" Now it is about how far ahead they are. Ill tell you a story of my own personal accounts. I was 17 into night vision, guns, sniper training, thought I would be a navy seal or something great of course. I was looking into what models of night vision I can get and I called this technology company who made the night vision scopes, I asked them to let me talk to someone in the line of Thermo Imaging. After a few minutes on hold I got a man who loved to talk about scopes, what he
had, what he would sell. He told me The only thermo scope He could sell me right now was being used by the Nave, US Coast Guard, and Police Helicopters, That I might have seen it on the TV show cops, where a guy running behind trees or see the motor glow of a car and know how long ago it was driven. 60,000$ was the price. This Model was 15 years Old, He also told me some could be classified up to 30 years. His company Built Thermo, night, inferred all kinds of scopes and the government classified the technology for 15 years. He bragged about what they had now and Told me I would not believe it. But he could not tell me anything else about it nor sell me it. This phone call was in 1996.

So I have to ask you as you sit on your 80 gig HD Laptop with 3 gig processor and 2 gigs of ram. Could you picture having the same computer in 1992? Or maybe as far back as 1977? An wireless internet for government use only, that our people did not even have the science to understand. Think about that very deeply, Because it is More likely than not, The true History of man.


There is a lot of unknown, so what we have to do is go on what we know. We know Governments use the best science they can to be ahead in war games. We know having an Army is Important, In fact at the most important, China is respected because of there huge army. Our history secret government has been focused on making the better Army's, weapons and bombs for war. All of the secret government power has been focused on war. Science=War.


What if? The scientists of our government has already Mastered D.N.A.? Think about that for a second. They could make an army of clones, men who where bred violence of an alligator or a cobra, with venom in teeth, Retractable Claws of a tiger,The ability to be frozen and Hibernate for storage, skin that could withstand amazing heats, gills, the vision of an eagle, the ears and nose of a dog, the night vision of a cat with the ultra violet vision of a butterfly, thermo imaging and radar, this person can see behind him, anything within his radar is instantly detected faster than Bullets! Yes I'm telling you a guy who can dodge bullets, Swim to the deepest depths of the ocean with no breathing apparatus, a man who can fly, see at night, see through walls, feel heat, smell every scent. These clones can be designed to be a Cybernetic Biological Organism, If the DNA is carefully designed. There are personality traits that could be mixed as well. The loyalty of a dog mixed with the rage and Aggressiveness of a Viper! You could write in its heats into its DNA, I'm talking you can control what naturally turns these people on. You could make Killing a sexual thing for these beasts. The list goes on and do you really thing our Government does not Know this? Ignores it as some far off fantasy talk? Is this the same Government who's had classified remote viewing projects? Our same Government that has been constructing HUGE facilities underground, Worlds underground with god knows what and why. But this is One of my guesses as to what they are storing down there. How bout A breed of warrior that can handle the Nuclear fallout.. So after we have been struck we have perhaps millions of frozen clones come out of hibernation and start killing, To protect something they have been designed to be loyal to. Think about how important that could be and then I ask you, Does you government just shun on this idea as to far fetched? Or is it real and probably way ahead of our expectations?

jin