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5 Apr 2006
I think this is the tip of the iceberg.

But it's a filthy, feloneous, evil, dirty, deep rooted, broad based, ugly, huge tip of a bigger and worse iceberg.

I think it should leave any thinking American feeling a lot like running to the bathroom to retch and vomit.

Evidently the book is a SUMMARY of many well documented investigations. In essence, even the book is somewhat the tip of the iceberg.

Absolutely incredible. If nothing else, the case of the Klintoons is a screaming documentation of the sway of the puppet masters and their Main Stream Media goons as well as the death grip the manipulators have on the courts, prosecutors etc. What a mess. And for Bush to be the least bit complicit in covering this up for any reason is not any kind of remotely praiseworthy feather in his cap. Rather, it more likely points to his own kowtowing to the same puppet masters.

Any bold, color emphasis or increased paragraph breaks are ASLANs.

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From:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=21920

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Why The Clintons Belong in Prison
By Jamie Glazov
FrontPageMagazine.com | April 5, 2006

Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Melrose Larry Green, the author of the book Why The Clintons Belong in Prison.

--snip--

He is a graduate of Brandeis (B.A.) and Cornell (M.B. A.) universities. His website is www.melroselarry.com and he can be contacted at melrose1@earthlink.net.

FP: Melrose Larry Green, welcome to Frontpage Interview

--snip--

--snip--

Green: I was on a trip to New York City about 8 years ago, when a friend handed me some articles about the death of Ron Brown. The author was a fellow named Christopher Ruddy, whom we all know from Newsmax.com. Well, one thing led to another, and I became obsessed with the many crimes committed by the Clintons. But the greatest crime of all is that they are not now behind bars. Mind you, I am a former Democrat, and I admit that I voted for Bill Clinton in 1992.

I wrote the book because there is a myth that Bill Clinton was a great President, and I must set the record straight. Furthermore, Hillary Clinton is right now on a direct path to the White House, and I want to do my part to keep her out of the White House in 2008.

--snip--

Green: I voted for Clinton in 1992 because I didn't know any better. I had never heard of Bill Clinton before, and he sure looked and sounded great. Little did I know about his scandal-filled years as Governor of Arkansas.

FP: You talk about a "gentleman's agreement" that was made between Bush and the Democrats when the President entered office. Can you comment on this?

Green: This story has been running around Washington D.C. for years. The gist of it is the following: in January 2001, top Senate and House Democrats allegedly told President Bush that if he sought an indictment of Bill and Hillary Clinton, the Democrats would vote for none of Bush's legislative agenda.

--snip--

Suffice it to say that they are household names and highly credible sources.

FP: What exactly was the Chinagate scandal?

Green: Chinagate was one of the most serious scandals of the Clinton Administration. It involved treason, in my opinion, on the part of Bill Clinton. Clinton sold military secrets and technology to the Chinese, in exchange for political contributions from the Chinese to his campaign. There were so many other scandals associated with the Clintons, that Chinagate received very little coverage from the "mainstream" media. My book "Why the Clintons Belong in Prison" goes into great detail to explain Chinagate.

FP: Clinton sold military secrets and technology to the Chinese communists and nothing has been done about it? Why?

Green: Good question. I have very little faith in the prosecutorial abilities of the Dept. of Justice under the present or former Attorneys General.

--snip--

Check out his book "Bitter Legacy".

FP: You state that Hillary is probably the "dirtiest person" in the history of American politics. Why do you say this?

Green: Hillary is all about herself and the acquisition of power by destroying anyone who gets in her way. To say that she has ice in her veins is an understatement. There are countless incidents in my book which document her contemptuous attitude toward the Secret Service, the military, and the Arkansas State Police.

She would often use the vilest form of profanity while addressing her co-workers. And Hillary loves to use dirty tricks in politics. She makes the Nixon Watergate team look like choirboys. Hillary is more of a man than Bill ever was.

FP: When you say that Hillary is all about the acquisition of power, then can we presume that that is what her marriage to Clinton is all about? Is that why she never really cared about all his affairs? In other words, she was only concerned if he got caught but didn’t really care about the matters of the heart?

Green: The Clinton marriage was just a business deal.

--snip--

It is common knowledge that Hillary is bi-sexual. According to Bill's long-time ex-girlfriend Gennifer Flowers, Hillary enjoyed performing oral sex on other women. On p.41 of Flowers' autobiography "Passion and Betrayal", Gennifer asked Bill if there was any truth to the rumor that Hillary was having an affair with another woman. Bill laughed and said (referring to Hillary): "Honey - she's probably eaten more p---y than I have."

(ASLANS: So much for her unroyal lowness, her hideous heiness being a moderate "Christian.")

What upset Hillary is not that Bill messed around. What upset her is that he got caught so many times.

FP: Tell us about Hillary's anti-Semitic slurs.

Green: Several books have documented that when Bill lost an election back in Arkansas, Hillary lashed out at one of the campaign managers by calling him "a f--kin Jew bastard." Hillary would often lace consultant Dick Morris with anti-Semitic barbs. It has been reported in several books that when Bill and Hillary would argue, they would insult the other by calling one another anti-Semitic epithets.

(ASLANS: On more than one occasion, Secret Service personnel had to pull Shrillery off of physically attacking Billdo).

--snip--

Green:

--snip--

According to Hillary's cousin Oscar Dowdy, Hillary's mother would say: "Oh, all those damn Jews are so cheap" and "That Jew has to watch every dime, that kind of thing." Hillary's grandmother Della even referred to her husband Max as "a cheap Jew bastard."

FP: In your book you discuss Bill and Hillary's criminal use of the IRS and how absolutely no one has ever done anything about it.

--snip--

Green: Many of Bill's girlfriends were audited by the IRS. Practically every conservative organization that had an unkind word to say about the Clintons was audited by the IRS. For several years during Clinton's presidency, the IRS Commissioner was their buddy from their days at Yale, Margaret Milner Richardson. Bill Clinton's use of the IRS against his political enemies is so blatantly criminal, that even a grade-school student could pick it out. Why the Clinton impeachment staff didn't go after Clinton for use of the IRS against his enemies is something I wonder about to this day.

FP: Illuminate for us what the Clinton goon squad was (and is).

Green: Bill Clinton's goon squad consisted of a team of private investigators who systematically intimidated, harassed, and tried to discredit many of the women who alleged to have had sexual relationships (both wanted and unwanted) with Bill Clinton. Anthony Pellicano and Jack Palladino are two of the most prominent members of the Clinton goon squad. But there were many other people who helped out to give the First Pervert a free pass to stay in power for eight years.

FP: What are the top crimes perpetrated by the Clintons for which they deserve to be in prison? Why are they not in prison?

Green: I feel that Bill Clinton committed treason when he sold American military secrets to the Red Chinese government. I think that Bill Clinton is guilty of rape (of Juanita Broaddrick). I think that there are numerous examples of bribery committed by Bill and Hillary Clinton during the final round of Presidential pardons (especially the case of Marc Rich and his ex-wife Denise Rich.) Let's not forget the dozens of unexplained deaths surrounding Bill and Hillary Clinton - Ron Brown, Vince Foster, Mary Mahoney – for which there have been no proper investigations.

I can go on and on about crimes committed by the Clintons,

--snip--

FP: How do you think the Clintons hurt this country? Did they jeopardize our national security? For instance, did they leave us vulnerable to 9/11?

Green: I think the Clintons have terribly hurt this country, by eliminating basic standards of morality to millions of American youth, and by leaving America vulnerable to the Al Qaeda and the attacks of 9-11. The Clintons despised the military and the police. Under Bill Clinton, terrorism was treated as a criminal matter, just like the pursuit of a bank robber. Clinton cared more about the civil rights of terrorists than the security of the American people. The Clinton

(ASLANS: I believe that the latter was at least 50% because of orders of the puppet masters to shred America's capacity to protect itself in order to bring the USA to it's knees so that the world government could take it's place. Probably 50% was because of the chronic rebellious, arrogant attitudes of the Klinttoons all their "adult" lives).

Administration was soft on terrorism - under Clinton's watch the World Trade Center was hit the first time (in 1993), the Khobar Towers, the U.S.S. Cole was bombed, 2 embassies in Africa were bombed - and Bill Clinton did virtually nothing. Furthermore, Bill Clinton had several opportunities to take out Osama Bin Laden, and he blew it. See Richard Miniter's book "Losing Bin Laden" for all the details.

FP: What if Hillary Clinton became President? Is it a nightmare scenario?

Green: It would definitely be a disaster if Hillary Clinton became President. To borrow from the playbook of Alec Baldwin, I will move out of the country- probably to Israel.

FP: Melrose Larry Green, thank you for joining us today.

Green: Thank you Jamie.
22 Mar 2006
PLEASE GIVE US YOUR QUESTIONS TO ASK THEM.

Sissy and I are scheduled to attend the Aztec UFO conference this weekend.

Linda Moulton Howe and Stanton Friedman are guest speakers.

I assume there will be some opportunity to ask questions.

What questions would forum members like asked, if there's such a chance?

Am happy to ask as many good questions as one can get by with.

If anyone has any other requests related to the conference--that we MIGHT be able to meet--please let me know.

Mods--I hope this is the right place for this. If not, please move to whatever the right place might be.
4 Mar 2006
I believe the following is authentic. I haven't found out otherwise. It is certainly a thought-provoking doc, regardless. It is well worth reading in its entirety. I excerpted it per directions but had a hard time knowing what to cut. It is well written though the English is rough in spots.

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FROM:

http://www.republicanandproud.com/warning.htm

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I was born and raised as Muslim. My whole family is still Muslim. I know every genetic code of Muslim. I know Islamic brain. I live and breath with them. I am an insider. I left Islam when I understood that Islam is a sick and evil religion. Following are the Islamic message to the West.

To the infidels of the West:

Constitution for the new Islamic Republic of EU and USA is under construction.

We will fight the infidel to death.

Meanwhile American laws will protect us.

Democrats and Leftist will support us.

UNO will legitimize us.

CAIR will incubate us.

ACLU will empower us.

Western Universities will educate us.

Mosques will shelter us

OPEC will finance us

Hollywood will love us.

Koffi Annan will pass politically correct sympathetic statement for Jihadists.

Our children will immigrate from Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Indonesia and even from India to the US and to the other Western countries. They will go to the West for education in full scholarship. America is paying and will continue to pay for our children’s educations and their upbringing in state funded Islamic schools.

We will use your welfare system. Our children will also send money home while they are preparing for Jihad.

We will take the advantage of American kindness, gullibility, and compassion. When time comes, we will stab them in the back. We will say one thing on the camera and teach another thing to our children at home. We will give subliminal messages to our children to uphold Islam at any cost. Our children in America will always care more about Islamic Country’s interest than US interest.

We will teach our children Islamic supremacy from the very childhood. We will teach them not to compromise with Infidel. Once we do that from the very early age our children won’t hesitate to be martyr. We will take over the Europe first and then US will be the next. We already have a solid ground in the UK, Holland, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Germany, and now in the US.

Our children will marry Caucasian in Europe and in America. We will mixed with intricate fabric of the Western society but still will remember to Jihad when time comes. Who are we?

We are the “sleeper cells”.

We will raise our children to be loyal to Islam and Mohammad only. Everything else is secondary.

At the time of the real fight we will hold our own children as our armor. When American or Israeli troops shoot at us the world will be watching. Imagine,… Imagine the news in the world “Death of Muslim babies by infidels”.

We know CNN, ABC, CBS are broadcasting live. Al-Jazeera will pour gasoline on the fire. The news will spread like wildfire. “Americans killed 6 babies, 10 babies”. “Jews killed two women”,

Keep your Nukes in your curio cabinets. Keep your aircraft carrier or hightech weaponery in the showcase. You can't use them against us because of your own higher moral standard. We will take the advantage of your higher moral standard and use it against you. We won’t hesitate to use our children as suicide bomber against you.

Visualize the news flash all over the world, …Moslem mother is sobbing, ….crying. ….Her babies are killed by Jews and Americans, the whole world is watching live. Hundreds of millions of Muslims all around the world are boiling. They will march through Europe. We will use our women to produce more babies who will in turn be used as armor/shield. Our babies are the gift from Allah for Jihad.

West manufactures their tanks in the factory. We will manufacture our military force by natural means, by producing more babies. That is the way it is cheaper.

You infidels at this site cannot defeat us. We are 1.2 billion. We will double again. Do you have enough bullets to kill us?

On the camera:

We will always say, “Islam is the religion of Peace.”

We will say, “Jihad is actually inner Jihad.”

Moderate Muslim will say there is no link between Islam and Terrorism and the West will believe it because the West is so gullible.

Moderate Muslim all over the world will incubate Jihadist by their talk by defending Islam.

Using Western Legal system we will assert our Sharia Laws, slowly but surely.

We will increase in number. We will double again.

You will be impressed when you meet a moderate Muslim personally. As your next-door neighbor, coworker, student, teacher, engineer, professionals you may even like us. You will find us well mannered, polite, humble that will make you say, “wow, Muslims are good and peaceful people”, But, we will stab you in your back when you are sleeping as we did on 911.

There will be more 911 in Europe and in America. We will say, “We do not support terrorism but America got what it deserved.”

Muslims, CAIR, ISNA, MPAC and other international Islamic Organization will unite. We will partner with Leftist, ACLU, with Koffi Annan, and the UN, and if we have to then even with France. Fasten your seatbelt. The war of civilizations has just begun.

--snip--

We will use your own values of kindness against you.

--snip--

21st Century Islamic Warfare

Let's see the effectiveness of Islamic warfare.
Muslims Vs. the West.

THE RULE HAS CHANGED. There is new game in town.

Bill Clinton ordered 50 Tomahawks Cruise missiles costing $100,000,000 each to destroy $50 mud houses that belonged to Osama's family. What a stupidity? What a poor ROI (Return On Investment)

In return Osama's attack on the US.
Cost: 19 martyrs and less than $500,000.
Cost to the West: over 3,000 dead.

At least $1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion) dollars economical loss in one year. This includes the ripple effect.

Osama's ROI with respect to: life = 3,000/19 = 158 fold.
Dollar = $1 tr./500K = 2,000,000 fold

That is modern warfare. The West will loose.

Allah-Hu-Akbar.
Islam will rule the world. There is nothing you can do. Even if the per capita GDP of the world drops to half of its present level as a consequence of Islamic laws in place all over the world but still Islam will rule the word.

From your point of view we bring to the world to the dark ages, so be it. But still Islam wins, West looses.

Are you sure you want to play this game?

Jihad, ..Jihad...Jeeehaaad...

You are destined to loose.

--snip--

SOTT

[Sight of the Truth]

Saudi Arabia's $100 billion investment over the last 3 decades on over 60 thousands Madrassas and school all over the Islamic world is finally paying off. While the West was busy inventing medicine, increasing life expectancy, elevating human suffering, decoding human gene to find cure for Cancer, heart disease etc, launching space shuttle, inventing internet, working on new laws/theory for human rights, developing better economical models for a more prosperous world, while ACLU was gaining control over common sense, while American ingenuity was benefiting the rest of the world, we Muslims were busy producing over 200 million out of 1.4 billion, Walking, Talking, Non-Thinking, West-Hating, Pre-Programmed, Suicidal, Parasitic, Terrorist Robots. You can't win. The Genie is out of the bottle.

--snip--

What are you going to do? You are doomed.

SOTT

[Sight of the Truth]

Tim--ex-Muslim
27 Feb 2006
ASLANs response . . .

I'm having to soberly re-evaluate even my cautious support of President Bush. It's not that I think any of his opponents would do better. I think they'd do worse. They'd rush us into the evil global government faster than Shrillery Clinton's forked tongue can lie or than her fickle fingers can Fosterize Foster or "lose" Rose law firm billing records in her private WH closet.

But the significant evidence on 911 at

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org

imho, is not to be sneezed at. It seems inescapable that the puppet masters had this admin involved in the 911 charade up to their toupees.

I don't suppose that should be surprising. Probably every President for the last 30-50 years or more has been so complicit in their designs and manipulations. I had hoped that the current one was dragging his feet in his cooperation. That may be more of a vain hope than I'd hoped.

In any case, whether the puppet masters set up terrorism and the war on Iraq from their 1974 planning on as W von Braun's assistant Dr Carol Rosin asserts in the Discovery documents and DVD . . . . or not . . . the facts remain that Saddam had WMD's AND that Jihadi terrorists are determined to wipe all those not of their group off the face of the earth.

It think it is fool hardy to be ignorant of such facts regardless of the manipulations of the puppet masters.

I think it's sobering that Israel has Saddam's WMD's in Syria and Lebanon and Iran's nukes . . . what an unholy sandwich toward death.

Perhaps this is near the time when Damascus will be nuked as Scripture seems to indicate. Certainly it will be obliterated for the first time in history--never to rise again.

The times are a changin'

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From:

http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArti...&issue=20060224

Printer version:

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Fair Use excerpts:

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Issues & Insights
Saddam Had WMD
Posted 2/24/2006

WMD: Now that Leno and Letterman have had their way with Vice President Cheney's hunting accident . . .

--snip--

. . .

--snip--

And "Bush lied" — the anti-war mantra about the president, Saddam Hussein and weapons of mass destruction — looks the most battered.

Inconveniently for critics of the war, Saddam made tapes in his version of the Oval Office.

--snip--

The first 12 hours of the tapes — . . .

--snip--

They show conclusively that Bush didn't lie when he cited Saddam's WMD plans as one of the big reasons for taking the dictator out.

Nobody disputes the tapes' authenticity. On them, Saddam talks openly of programs involving biological, chemical and, yes, nuclear weapons.

--snip--

Again, not true. In a tape dating to April 1995, Saddam and several aides discuss the fact that U.N. inspectors had found traces of Iraq's biological weapons program. On the tape, Hussein Kamel, Saddam's son-in-law, is heard gloating about fooling the inspectors.

"We did not reveal all that we have," he says. "Not the type of weapons, not the volume of the materials we imported, not the volume of the production we told them about, not the volume of use. None of this was correct."


--snip--
. . . in his office talking with Iraqi scientists about his ongoing plans to build a nuclear device. At one point, he discusses Iraq's plasma uranium program — something that was missed entirely by U.N. weapons inspectors combing Iraq for WMD.

This is particularly troubling, since it indicates an active, ongoing attempt by Saddam to build an Iraqi nuclear bomb.

"What was most disturbing," said John Tierney, the ex- FBI agent who translated the tapes, "was the fact that the individuals briefing Saddam were totally unknown to the U.N. Special Commission (or UNSCOM, the group set up to look into Iraq's WMD programs)."

Perhaps most chillingly, the tapes record Iraq Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz talking about how easy it would be to set off a WMD in Washington. The comments come shortly after Saddam muses about using "proxies" in a terror attack.

9-11, anyone?

In short, let us repeat: President Bush was right. We had to invade to disarm Saddam — otherwise, he would have completely reconstituted his chemical, nuclear and bio-weapons programs when inspectors left.

--snip--

Lest you think we're making the case entirely based on these tapes, let us assure you that other evidence — mounting by the day — points to the same conclusion.

We've been very impressed by the story told by Georges Sada, the former No. 2 in Iraq's air force. He has written a book, "Saddam's Secrets," that details how the Iraqi dictator used trucks, commercial jets and ships to remove his WMD from the country. At the time, the move went largely undetected, because Iraq pretended the massive movement of materiel was to help Syrian flood victims.

Nor is Sada alone. Ali Ibrahim, another of Saddam's former commanders, has largely corroborated Sada's story.

--snip--

"The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went to Syria and Lebanon," said John Shaw, former deputy undersecretary of defense, in comments made at an intelligence summit Feb. 17-20 in Arlington, Va.

--snip--

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© Investor's Business Daily, Inc. 2000-2006. All Rights Reserved. --snip--
26 Feb 2006
I strongly agree with Charles Colson's words in the article

From:

http://www.pfm.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section...tentDisplay.cfm

excerpted below.

I think these issues can easily take volumes to discuss adequately. But Colson does his usual good brief overview.

There has been a period of Islam representing better cultural achievements than the surrounding cultures. I don't know what the comparisons would turn out to be year by year. But my sense off the top of my head is that Islam has been a poor comparison to the surrounding cultures a lot more than it has been a shining example of cultural excellence and advancement.

I think one of the reasons for that is the brutality that seems to go so often and so chronically with the history and beliefs.

The exceptions to that tendency have been wonderful. Arabic numbers are a lot easier to write than Chinese numbers. Good math and architecture are beauties to behold.

But brutality is ugly and horrid. All the more so when driven by greed, arrogance, power mongering hiding under a veneer of religious bias and rationalization.

The same is true for any philosophical rationalization when distorted to such extents--including Christianity. But Christianity gets bashed and trashed hereon a LOT. This is a brief effort at the other side of the coin.

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The Victory of Reason
Christianity and the West

February 22, 2006

{There are links at the above link to listen via 3 media}

At the heart of the furor over Danish cartoons depicting Muhammad are the different values and ideals of two civilizations: one shaped by Christianity, the other by Islam.

--snip--

--snip--

The book is called The Victory of Reason: How Christianity Led to Freedom, Capitalism, and Western Success by Rodney Stark, who is not a Christian believer.

In fact, Stark set out to refute German sociologist Max Weber’s famous thesis that attributed the rise of capitalism to the Reformation.

Instead of refuting it, however, he wound up doing just the opposite, writing about how Christianity’s emphasis on reason led to the rise of Europe. By “reason,” Stark means “logical thought” that doesn’t “jump to conclusions.” According to Stark, the “the early church fathers were very clear” about following in the “tradition” of Plato and Aristotle. And this emphasis on reason reached its zenith in Augustine and Thomas Aquinas.

The belief that reason “was the supreme gift from God” encouraged inquiry not only into matters of faith but the natural world, as well. Whereas other religions viewed creation as a “mystery” beyond explanation, Christianity expected to find “immutable laws at work.”

St. Augustine, who is often caricatured as the enemy of science and progress, wrote about the “wonderful . . . advances human industry has made.”

--snip--

That’s why, you see, “it was during the so-called Dark Ages,” and not the Renaissance, “that European technology and science overtook and surpassed the rest of the world.” Contrary to what you were taught, the worst “conflicts” between Christianity and science took place after the “Age of Faith.”

Equally misunderstood is the relationship between Christianity and Western freedom. It was Christianity, Stark writes, that taught the West that “the state must respect private property and not intrude on the freedom of its citizens to pursue virtue.”

Our ideas about democracy and equality stem as well from the central teaching of Christianity. The link between the belief that we are all equal “in the eyes of God and in the world to come” and “all men are created equal” should be obvious.

It should be, but it isn’t, at least not to many commentators and academics. In their minds, the West succeeded despite its Christian past. Myths about the “Dark Ages” and other religious dystopias attempt to put as much distance between us and our Christian past as possible.

But, as Stark notes, many non-Westerners know better: For them, Western civilization and Christianity are “inseparably linked.” He notes that Christianity “is becoming globalized far more rapidly than is democracy, capitalism, or modernity,” which leads him to a breathtaking conclusion: “It is quite plausible that Christianity remains an essential element in the globalization of modernity.”

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REFS:

The Victory of Reason: How Christianity Led to Freedom, Capitalism, and Western Success
by Rodney Stark
ISBN:1400062284

at Powell's Books:

http://www.powells.com/biblio?PID=24626&cg...isbn=1400062284

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How Christianity (and Capitalism) Led to Science
By RODNEY STARK

at:

http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=t...968m19qmf4w3g5y

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Q&A WITH RODNEY STARK

Faith and reason

Was Christianity the engine of Western progress?

By Peter Dizikes | December 25, 2005

at:

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/art..._reason?mode=PF

SCIENCE, CAPITALISM, and democracy are all enormously complicated areas of human activity, but sociologist Rodney Stark claims there is a simple explanation for them: Christianity. ''The Christian image of God is that of a rational being who believes in human progress," writes Stark in his latest book, ''The Victory of Reason" (Random House), an unapologetic brief for Christianity's positive influence in history.

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We’ve Been Lied To
Christianity and the Rise of Science

BreakPoint with Charles Colson

December 4, 2003

at:

http://www.pfm.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section...ContentID=11108

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July 22, 2002
No. 020722
Decline and Ascendance
Christendom and Islam

Among the reasons given for his jihad against the West, Osama bin Laden cited something he called "the tragedy of Andalusia."

He was referring to the re-conquest of Southern Spain in 1492. For nearly seven centuries, Moorish Spain embodied the Islamic world's cultural superiority over Europe. While much of medieval Europe lived in squalor, Muslim Cordoba boasted street lighting, hundreds of public baths, and at least seventy libraries.

And Islamic greatness at the .....


http://www.pfmonline.net/transcripts.taf?_...D3021AF43FC7540

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CREDITING JESUS FOR ALL OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION.
The Reason for Everything
by Alan Wolfe
Post date 01.18.06 | Issue date 01.16.06

"Had the followers of Jesus remained an obscure Jewish sect," concludes Rodney Stark in his new book, "most of you would not have learned to read and the rest of you would be reading from hand-copied scrolls." I had always known that Jesus Christ was a pretty important person, but I had not quite realized that were it not for him, there would be no one to buy Rodney Stark's books....

at:

https://ssl.tnr.com/p/docsub.mhtml?i=20060116&s=wolfe011606

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