FROM:

http://www.newfrontiersinscience.com/Paper...04a/v04n04a.pdf

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There are lots of good photos as well as extensive scientific analysis. More, probably than most laymen would prefer to wade through. But for those inclined, it's a wealth of material. It think it convincingly makes the case as outlined briefly in the Abstract, below.

There are extensive graphs, charts, mathematical analyses in the appendixes.
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ABSTRACT retyped from the pdf file:

Anomalous Phenomena in Space Shuttle Mission STS-80 Video

Mark J Carlotto

markcarlotto@adelphia.net

Analysis of video from Space Shuttle mission STS-80 provides new insight into a number of unusual events captured by a camera aboard the space shuttle Columbia in 1996. Three different phenomena are analyzed. 1) two slow moving circular object, 2) a number of fast moving objects in space near the shuttle, and 3) a strange luminous apparition near the earth's surface.

The two slow moving circular objects have attracted a great deal of popular interest due to their disk-like shape. One seems to appear out of a cloud layer, the other moves into the camera's field of view. It is argued that both are likely to be pieces of shuttle debris emerging from the spacecraft's shadow.

The fast moving objects in space near the shuttle appear as bright streaks moving rapidly across the video frame. Analysis of their speeds and directions implies that they are not shuttle debris or meteors.

Perhaps the most interesting observation is a rapidly moving burst of light that appears near the earth's surface off the east coast of Puerto Rco. Occurring well before sunrise, away from thunderstorm activity, and moving at an estimated speed of over 500 miles/sec., this is one of the most unusual phenomena observed to date by the shuttle. Its similarity to certain ground-based sightings suggests that it might represent the first observation of a new kind of atmospheric phenomenon from space.

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The discussion section rules out several conventional explanations for the above anomalies.

I think it's well worth a look for those interested in the topic.

FROM:

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/metasystems/UFOSig...ml#anchor351845

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ASTRONAUT COMMENTS RE UFOS. I realize some have been cited who have later denied or recanted or some such. Personally, I believe they were most honest when saying something WAS going on. Nobody wants to lose a good pension.

Following is a samping from the link.

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Major Gordon Cooper




One of the original Mercury Astronauts and the last American to fly in space alone. On May 15, 1963 he shot into space in a Mercury capsule for a 22 orbit journey around the world. During the final orbit, Major Gordon Cooper told the tracking station at Muchea (near Perth Australia) that he could see a glowing, greenish object ahead of him quickly approaching his capsule. The UFO was real and solid, because it was picked up by Muchea's tracking radar. Cooper's sighting was reported by the National Broadcast Company, which was covering the flight step by step; but when Cooper landed, reporters were told that they would not be allowed to question him about the UFO sighting.

Major Cooper was a firm believer in UFOs. Ten years earlier, in 1951 he had sighted a UFO while piloting an F-86 Sabrejet over Western Germany. They were metallic, saucer-shaped discs at considerable altitude and could out-maneuver all American fighter planes. Major Cooper also testified before the United Nations: "I believe that these extra-terrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets... Most astronauts were reluctant to discuss UFOs." "I did have occasion in 1951 to have two days of observation of many flights of them, of different sizes, flying in fighter formation, generally from east to west over Europe."

And according to a taped interview by J. L. Ferrando, Major Cooper said: "For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public. Why? Because authority is afraid that people may think of God knows what kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid panic by all means."
"I was furthermore a witness to an extraordinary phenomenon, here on this planet Earth. It happened a few months ago in Florida. There I saw with my own eyes a defined area of ground being consumed by flames, with four indentions left by a flying object which had descended in the middle of a field. Beings had left the craft (there were other traces to prove this). They seemed to have studied topography, they had collected soil samples and, eventually, they returned to where they had come from, disappearing at enormous speed... I happen to know that authority did just about everything to keep this incident from the press and TV, in fear of a panicky reaction from the public."

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Donald Slayton

Donald Slayton a Mercury astronaut revealed in an interview he had seen UFOs in 1951: "I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. I was at about 10,000 feet on a nice, bright, sunny afternoon. I thought the object was a kite, then I realized that no kite is gonna fly that high." As I got closer it looked like a weather balloon, grey and about three feet in diameter. But as soon as I got behind the darn thing it didn't look like a balloon anymore. It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me - and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared."

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On May 11, 1962 NASA pilot Joseph Walker said that one of his tasks was to detect UFOs during his X-15 flights. He had filmed five or six UFOs during his record breaking fifty-mile-high flight in April, 1962. It was the second time he had filmed UFOs in flight. During a lecture at the Second National Conference on the Peaceful Uses of Space Research in Seattle, Washigton he said: "I don't feel like speculating about them. All I know is what appeared on the film which was developed after the flight." - Joseph Walker To date none of those films has been released to the public for viewing.

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Eugene Cernan was commander of Apollo 17. In a Los Angeles Times article in 1973 he said, about UFOs: "...I've been asked (about UFOs) and I've said publicly I thought they (UFOs) were somebody else, some other civilization."

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In June 1965, astronauts Ed White (first American to walk in space) and James McDivitt were passing over Hawaii in a Gemini spacecraft when they saw a weird-looking metallic object. The UFO had long arms sticking out of it. McDivitt took pictures with a cine-camera. Those pictures have never been released.

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In December 1965, Gemini astronauts James Lovell and Frank Borman also saw a UFO during their second orbit of their record-breaking 14 day flight. Borman reported that he saw an unidentified spacecraft some distance from their capsule. Gemini Control, at Cape Kennedy told him that he was seeing the final stage of their own Titan booster rocket. Borman confirmed that he could see the booster rocket all right, but that he could also see something completely different.


During James Lovell's flight on Gemini 7:

Lovell: BOGEY AT 10 O'CLOCK HIGH.

Capcom: This is Houston. Say again 7.
Lovell: SAID WE HAVE A BOGEY AT 10 O'CLOCK HIGH.

Capcom: Gemini 7, is that the booster or is that an actual sighting?
Lovell: WE HAVE SEVERAL...ACTUAL SIGHTING.

Capcom: ...Estimated distance or size?
Lovell: WE ALSO HAVE THE BOOSTER IN SIGHT...

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According to the NASA Astronaut Neil Armstrong the Aliens have a base on the Moon and told us in no uncertain terms to get off and stay off the Moon. According to un-confirmed reports, both Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after that historic landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on 21 July 1969. I remember hearing one of the astronauts refer to a "light" in or on a crater during the television transmission, followed by a request from mission control for further information. Nothing more was heard. According to a former NASA employee Otto Binder, unnamed radio hams with their own VHF receiving facilities that bypassed NASA's broadcasting outlets picked up the following exchange:

NASA: Whats there?
Mission Control calling Apollo 11...

Apollo11: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous!
OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it!
I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there,
Lined up on the far side of the crater edge!
They're on the Moon watching us!

A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium.

Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?

Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known
there was a possibility, the fact is, we were
warned off! (by the Aliens). There was never any
question then of a space station or a moon city.

Professor: How do you mean "warned off"?

Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their
ships were far superior to ours both in size and
technology - Boy, were they big! and menacing!
No, there is no question of a space station.

Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?

Armstrong: Naturally - NASA was committed at that time, and
couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a
quick scoop and back again.

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According to a Dr. Vladimir Azhazha: "Neil Armstrong relayed the message to Mission Control that two large, mysterious objects were watching them after having landed near the moon module. But this message was never heard by the public - because NASA censored it."
According to a Dr. Aleksandr Kasantsev, Buzz Aldrin took color movie film of the UFOs from inside the module, and continued filming them after he and Armstrong went outside. Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind the cover-up.

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Maurice Chatelain

In 1979 Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater. Chatelain believes that some UFOs may come from our own solar system, specifically Titan. "The encounter was common knowledge in NASA, but nobody has talked about it until now." "...all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name. Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence." "I think that Walter Schirra aboard Mercury 8 was the first of the astronauts to use the code name 'Santa Claus' to indicate the presence of flying saucers next to space capsules. However, his announcements were barely noticed by the general public. It was a little different when James Lovell on board the Apollo 8 command module came out from behind the moon and said for everybody to hear: 'PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS.' Even though this happened on Christmas Day 1968, many people sensed a hidden meaning in those words." The rumors persist. NASA may well be a civilian agency, but many of its programs are funded by the defence budget and most of the astronauts are subject to military security regulations. Apart from the fact that the National Security Agency screens all films and probably radio communications as well. We have the statements by Otto Binder, Dr. Garry Henderson and Maurice Chatelain that the astronauts were under strict orders not to discuss their sightings. And Gordon Cooper has testified to a United Nations committee that one of the astronauts actually witnessed a UFO on the ground. If there is no secrecy, why has this sighting not been made public?

Wasn't there someone on here who insisted that NO astronauts had ever owned up with such stuff?

I've seen some of the newspapers references to the Frank Borman info back in the 60's. He was from Tucson and they always were very proud of the fact. I also heard one of the astronauts from a moon mission discuss his sightings on a talk show sometime last summer. I'm too tired to remember who it was right now. It is so immensely interesting that this info is still being hidden and astronauts/pilots are still being "encouraged" to keep their mouths shut. Who does the government think they're kidding?? What I wouldn't give to see the reports these guys filed! :ship:

I guess you are rather hazily recollecting what I said in this thread here:
http://www.alien-ufos.com/forum/showthread...95&page=2&pp=30

I said the following:


And you have not contradicted that with the above, except the bit about Armstrong, but notice that neither of the allegations referring to him is well-sourced. The reason being that they are fabrications.

Mitchell does actually believe in alien visitation of the earth, but maintains he did not have any sightings on his Apollo mission.

In an interview with Air & Space magazine a few years ago, here is what Frank Borman had to say with regards to the above incident:

"Right after we got into orbit we were supposed to "station keep' or fly formation with the booster," Borman says. "We were flying formation and taking photographs and infrared measurements and I started calling it a "bogey,' which is an old fighter pilot term. Well, a lot of the UFO freaks on the ground picked this up and said we had seen a UFO because we had referred to our booster as a bogey. Just this past year I got a call from a producer at "Unsolved Mysteries" and they said, "We read your account about your seeing a UFO on Gemini 7 and would you come on the program?' I told them: "I'd love to come on your program because I'd love to straighten that out.' I explained what it was I saw and I said, "I don't think there were UFOs,' and the producer said, "Well, I'm not sure we want you on the program.' "

http://www.airspacemag.com/ASM/Mag/Index/1998/AS/ftgm.html

Thanks. I've read or seen such a mix of comments, myself.

My interpretation of all that is . . . It's really not in their best interests to say otherwise--especially when pinned down in any public or potentially public way.

Time will tell.

I much agree with you.

I personally are seeing these obejcts everyday since september 27 but not before sunrise (maybe because by that time I am sleeping) but right after sunset. I think anyone can see them for the altitude they are in. On very clear nights right after sunset between Venus Cassiopea and Mars. I haven't posted about this before because I am still in the present asking myself what is that...although is evident that they are ufos.

What you will see are objects that looks like stars ...very....very similar to stars but moving across the sky. Yes....at first I though those were satellites but not satellites desapear and reappear, zig-zaging, and sometimes they move very slowly and then puff...going very fast and sometimes they makes a turn like an arc. Sometimes they light up a very potent light and it can get very big in bright. Sometimes I see two togheter and once I saw one following another and other time I saw one lighting this potent light to other that was passing in front of it. Now I will leave you with that. I have no photos cuz they are very high and I have no zoom for that but the best proof I can give you is to go outside when the sun sets and just wait for them to appear...very patiently...wait and you will see. Remember specially between Cassiopea and Mars...some are smaller than others but they can be seen with naked eye.

THANKS FOR THE FIRST HAND report. Much appreciated. Didn't realize the range of activity.

What would you estimate to be an average number of obvious UFO's that you can see on an average night?

Are there any subjective emotional feelings that seem markedly above average as you view them?

What do your friends and relatives viewing with you say and feel about them?

Does the display appear subjectively to be more or less a display to attract attention and puzzle or more some other purposeful activity?

Do they all seem to be part of the same group or several different groups?

Do they seem to function mostly in the same relative plane, altitude or do they get markedly closer to earth or further from earth over the span of time watched?

1. The appearings just last for about half an hour until the sky gets very dark...in one night I saw fourteen aprx...but almost all the time is like 8 to 12 maybe there are more, that was just the ones I saw because the sky is vast. The big ones just three of them in one night and the ones that lit very bright in one night were two and the others just one. I noticed that the ones who lits this bright light or beam...appears just before they finish for the night like if they want to be secure that they had been seen. The first ones I saw on Sept 27 were two of them one behind the other....same size going north at a same speed very slow....slow enough to see them because they were very small like Mercury in these days and they were passing beside Mars and the moon wich were beside that planet by that time.

2. I feel just a vibrating sound on my right ear...but about emotions I feel like any normal person who see this kind of things...very exited and curious.

3. The father of my kids is a bit skeptic but he always run to get to the house at that hour to see them...he does not talk about it too much. And my son is very happy with it...he thinks they are angels. I haven't talk about this to anyone here in my country (Puerto Rico) although I feel anxiety when I think about it because something inside of me want to do so. I live very near to the Radio Telescope Observatory in Arecibo and I am sure they know of their existence...is something everybody can see.

4. My personal belief is that oviously they want to be seen...they are to many and to visible...but one of my theories of why they appear right after sunset and what are they doing...I think they are like taking positions in the sky because some of them appears to come from the nowhere if you know what I mean. You are watching in the middle of the sky and then one of them appears from the nowhere and sometimes before it reaches the horizon they simply banish or I think they just turn off their light because sometimes they reappear in the same location...when the sky gets very dark you don't see no more so maybe (I think) they are there in the sky like stars is a good camuflagee. I think they are monitoring us and absolutly they can be invisible. In various ocassions they do moves, beams and drastic things like atracting my attention...that make me think they want to be seen.

5. I think they all are part of the same because they all look equal except by the size...but one night I saw something that made me doubt about it...one of them were moving southeast very slow and the suddenly another appears from the nowhere following the first very fast...I though in that moment that maybe that was an hostile reaction but today I think they were more like "hey wait for me!". I have seen one of them stop and lits the light until another passed in front of it like if it was letting it pass.

6. I think that the difference in the size is because some are nearer that others and the big ones appear to be here on the planet but I am not sure of it...sometimes there are some clouds and they pass over them.


I have met on the internet more people who have seen the same from other parts of the world...they are like me... wanting to know more about them. Some thinks that they are the resposibles for the "not hoaxes" crop circles...but I need to know better what they are. The explanation wich Nasa gave about that was that those were ice particles in the atmosphere wich appears on winter time in cold places...but I live in the tropics and the fisrt one I saw was on September while others have see them all year. No ice particles moves like that even desappear and reappear and place still in one spot in the sky and then start to move again...it doesn't makes sense with ice particles, satellites, airplanes, space debris or meteorites. I been watching this for a couple of months and I am still amazed when I go out to see them. I really hope you can see them soon too.

This person have seen the same things but I have a different perspective of it...& a different point of you if you know what I mean.

http://www.hometown.aol.com/kithsiriv/mangalakv.html

Peace
Yolanda

Thanks, Yolanda,

Much appreciated. Fascinating.

I'm curious if this is one of your favorite naysaying topics or if you have others that you enjoy more, even, than this one.

Is the subject of Bible Codes (and even the Bible, generally) being nonsense one of yours?

I guess you don't care much for inconvenient facts, do you?

And what is your level of scientific training, then?

Actually, I think you will find a LOT more facts a LOT MORE inconvenient in the future . . . and you will be at such an utter loss . . . such a devastating loss . . . it will rock you to your core foundation and possibly beyond. I doubt you will have ever before encountered anything 1/1000th as devastating as those inconvenient facts.

Sincerely, ASLANs, PhD

And what facts are those?

But in the UFO field, I bow to my relative who worked around them and quite a number of other friends and associates who had first hand knowledge and others who were married to or children of folks who had first hand knowledge.

But, hey, go ahead . . . indulge yourself in your addiction to TYPE II errors. They can be as dangerous as TYPE I errors but you don't seem to care--you just prefer TYPE II errors regardless of how irrational it is.