I'm not asking any hard questions here. I'm just askin what is your opinion on who killed kennedy. Both of them.

Oswald.

As for the JFK shooting, there seems to have been more than one shooter firing in Dealy Plaza that day, Oswald and least one other shooter. Who, I don't know - there are many theories and most of them are far-fetched.

Here's conspiracy debunker Robt. Anton Wilson's summary (Wilson, pp. 331-2, Harper Collins, 1998):

"The majority of witnesses thought the shots came from the grassy knoll, not from Oswald's window in the Texas School Book Depository. Kennedy's head jerks back as if shot from the front (Grassy Knoll) in the Zapruder film. Oswald was a mediochre marksman, and yet, to fit the official theology, he had to fire three almost perfect shots in three seconds. The last government inquiry, that of the House Select Committee on assasinations, did not support the Warren Commission but concluded that there were at least two shooters in Dealy Paza that day."

Also, since it was very probably one of Oswald's bullets that struck the underpass, the "magic bullet" theory was born. The meaning is that if Oswald fired a stray shot that hit the underpass, it would only have left Oswald two shots to do what was done to JFK's head and Gov. Connoly's body. So one of those two shots would have had to oddly go through the governor (who was sitting in the front seat of the car) and then hit Kennedy's head (Kennedy was sitting in the back seat of the car).

So, the most reasonable explanation is that Oswald was firing and so was someone else. I don't support any particular conspiracy theory or explanation.

Also, experimental recreations of the three-shots-in-three-seconds by Oswald have shown that with the clunky type of bolt action rifle Oswald had, a superb marksman has trouble firing three shots in three seconds, much less having them be accurate.

Now, these facts I wrote about are often swept aside by saying that simply, Oswald fired more than three shots and the people who examined his gun were wrong. They also say that the excited spectators on the scene that day simply imagined that shots came from the Grassy Knoll. The president's head jerks on the famous Zapruder film are said to be undifinitive of anything but death throes.

It's kind of a disappointment to me that there was more than one shooter there that day, becuse that may mean Oswald had an associate, or, that there was another Lone Gunman (at keast) that was never caught and that's very sad. I won't go into the "three tramps", the witness deaths, E. Howard Hunt, the Garrison investigation and I won't go into the most popular conspiracy theories. If anyone is interested, just Google "Kennedy death links".

I remember the day it happened. More than one shooter is the only thing that fits the facts.

More than one shooter involved in the Kennedy assassination is a strong possibility, but it hasn't been shown to be anything other than relatively educated speculation. I still believe that Oswald was the murderer, but if you want to argue whatever unreasonable conspiracy controlled him, be my guest - that isn't a respectable argument without real evidence, either way.

There may have been more than one shooter - there may have been a 'conspiracy' - One thing I am absolutely sure of however is that Oswald was a shooter and that he was no 'patsy'.

Ben

Colonel Mustard...in the library...with the candlestick.


You know, this is one of those things that still perplexes me. Even if Oswald was indeed the shooter, I have yet to find in any textbook or resource on the internet with any sort of explanation for why he did it. It's like the gov't stating "don't ask why, just accept it." Oswald went on after his arrest that he was a patsy, or was basically setup. Unfortunately, Oswald was shot before he had a chance to explain himself by Jack Ruby.

Oswald served in the Marines because of his admiration for his brother and his service. Oswald held a mediocre post in the Corps and his performance was nothing short of mundane. He gets a general discharge and goes to the Soviet Union out of his admiration for communism and the soviet way. His discharge gets changed to dishonorable and the Marines wish to distance themselves as far away from Oswald. Oswald is temporarily revered as a hero for defecting to the USSR. He wishes to stay in Moscow but his petition for residency is denied, however he was allowed to live in Minsk and that's what he did. The KGB assigns a an operative to moniter all of Oswalds activities but never got anything substantial or of great use from Oswald. He was just a mundane person. Oswald comes back to the US since he never changed his citizenship after boring of his life in the USSR. He brings a wife in tow.

I apologize for the brief history lesson, but what I am getting at his this, his pattern does not indicate any inclinations towards any form of animosity/grudge or reason to assassinate Kennedy. I'm not saying Oswald could not be the shooter, but he was more following orders and there is something deeper under the surface. The whole lone gunman theory just doesn't hold water in my eyes. I'm more of the opinion that Johnson had his hand in the assassination after numerous botched operations during Kennedys administration (Vietnam, failed assasination attempt of Fidel Castro, Cuban missle crisis, Bay of Pigs) along with the fact that both did not see eye-to-eye and their was definitely no loveloss between them. It makes even more sense that the hit was done in Texas, which would serve as a statement for Johnson. I remember watching a show on the history channel also discussing the plausibility of Johnson having a hand in the assasination and it seemed to be pretty convincing.

LJ's family actually sued the history channel over that documentary.
It was extremely convincing. There were audio tapes of LJ talking to the CIA about the need to "take out" someone who was wanting to "pull the plug on the war".

ETA:
Here's the thread I started on it a while back...
http://www.alien-ufos.com/forum/showthread...ghlight=kennedy

Ever heard of the theory that he actually killed himself?

Congrats Zaitzev! I've read just about everything there is to read on the Kennedy shooting and I thought there was no more to learn - but you my friend have just topped the lot - Who shot Kennedy? Kennedy did. That my friend is a fine conspiracy and should go down in the annals of history as having really happened coz it's more mind numbing than all the other theories put together.....So it was Kennedy all along........Why didn't I think of that?

Ben

I think the magic bullet theory is pretty damn mind numbing.

That theory has actually been put to rest. Discovery channel did a live recreation of the shot and actually managed to almost duplicate the shot with one bullet hitting Kennedy clean through the neck, through the Texas governors chest, glancing off the gov. wrist, and then finally bouncing off his thigh. They used the same type of rifle that Oswald was to have used and ammo. They used a combination of bone, muscle tissue, and a gel substance to recreate the body parts that were hit to test the theory.

I heard the Mafia was involved, as the guy who killed Oswald had connections with them. Apparently JFK owed them a whole lot of money from his pathetic gamlbing addiction, and he never paid so they had him whacked.........(last part is fiction)..........

Jack Ruby had huge ties with the mob as did Kennedy (but not with gambling). A little known fact is that the mob sent their own hitmen to "whack" Castro in a joint effort with the CIA. Sadly, the CIA learned the hard way that the mob isn't as efficient at assassination as they are in the movies.

Everything I've read points to Oswald as the "Who". I think the real question we should be asking, is "Why". Sadly, whoever orchestrated the operation managed to snuff all the loose ends that could have answered this. CIA and Mob hypotheses havn't convinced me so far, like Busaiku says, they screwed up on Castro so many times that I have a hard time believing that they could kill Kennedy and get away with it.

The theory about him killing himself is amazing ... gold star ...

A jealous husband?

No, really, I have an interesting story. I used to work with a woman whose husband was a Dallas police officer when Kennedy was killed. Although he was not part of the investigation, he knew people who were involved. Through her, I heard an interesting story that I've never seen in a book. Apparently, he heard that there were two guns found in the School Book Depository.

This could explain several questions I've had:
1) Why one report explains finding the gun by the window, while another report explains finding a gun in a bin on the far side of the 6th floor.
2) Why the weapon was initially identified as an Austrian Mauser, but later identified as a Manlicher Carcano.
3) Why the "curtain rods" in the brown paper bag didn't match the size of a disassembled Manlicher.

The theory is that Oswald had two guns. He fires the first shot, drops the gun, picks up the second gun, fires again, re-chambers, fires the third shot. Thus, he can get 3 shots in 5.5 seconds off a bolt-action rifle.

I don't know if it's true, but it's another theory to add to the pile.

Sorry for the double post, but since this idea is a little different, I wanted to give it it's own space.

Who killed Kennedy? The usual suspects.
*Oswald: Lone Gunman.
*The South Vietnamese: In protest of the assassination of Ngo Vien Diem
*The North Vietnames: In retaliation for the war.
*The Russian Government: Just because they can.
*The Cuban Government: For the Bay of Pigs, Cuban Missile Crisis and
attempted assassination of Castro.
*The Cuban Mafia: Because JFK promised them immunity in Florida, but RFK proceded to prosecute them.
*The U.S. Mafia: Again, because Attorney General RFK was prosecuting them.
*A jealous husband!
*Marina Oswald: Because her uncle was a high-ranking official in Russian Intelligence, and she could have been an operative.
*A Russian Agent pretending to be Oswald: Some sources claim that the body of 'Oswald' showed he was shorter than what was indicated in his last Marine Corps physical, not to mention that his Marine Corps shooting instructor testified to the Warren Commission that although he qualified as Marksman, it had been an unusually good day.
*U.S. Military Intelligence: Some sources indicate that Oswald's Marine Corps training doesn't match the MOS of a radio operator, and instead matches that of a military intelligence operative.
*The U.S. Government: (The Pentagon, Secret Service, etc.) for the bungling of the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis, and according to some sources, because Kennedy was about to move towards reconciliation with Russia, arms control, and the end of the Cold War without a clear US victory.
*A Rogue Team of U.S. Military Veterans: For the bungling of operations in Vietnam.
*The Cambodian Government: For covert U.S. operations inside Cambodia
*The Laotian Government: ditto.
*The Thai Government: ditto.
*White Supremists: For Kennedy's participation in Civil Rights.
*Jackie Kennedy: In retaliation for his affairs.
*Caroline and John Jr. Kennedy: Because he was a bad father?
*Aliens: Because the U.S. was shooting down UFOs?
*Captain Kangaroo: Who knows!

Did I miss anyone?

Its obvious it wasn't Oswald....Whoever shot him was one of the best marksman on the planet, probably involved in assasinations around the world, this was not just a person with a background in inteligence this was a sercret rifelman (sort of like the jackal) with pin point accuracy, a movimg vehicle, hit him in a way that there was no chance of survival. Yet didnt injure his wife...

I was wondering if anyone had seen the real footage of kennedy after the shooting-here in Australia I will never forget it but whats shown now is not the same footage we saw back then.

The person was so good a shot that even a swat team member or FBI sharp shooter would be hard pressed to kill in the same manner and leave no evidence except the bullet.

You know Oswald didnt have any evidence of firing any shots on his body or hands etc,,arms etc,,,No smell no trace at all, yet thesedays if you have fired a gun or have explosives or gun powder anywhere on you and go around the world on a plane it will still be picked up at the point to you leave the plane.

Look at Oswald does that look like a person who could possibly do this. And why would such a high profile killer be allowed to be paraded in front of the press at the local police station or FBI headquaters??

What they allowed him to be shot because of slack security-ha! All they had to do was close the door and no-one would have seen him!!

Kennedy was far bigger than any previous President, he was liked by most people for starters...To qualify as a marksman does not mean that your a good shot all the time-it means you shot good at the time you were trying to be one. Then if you dont keep doing it you lose that accuracy...

I think the best theory haha not! Was the hobos, and the link betwen one of them who they claim was the father of-can't quite think of his name , I think he was in "Natural Born killers"?, Woody Harrelson and was in Cheers...

Wow!!! that made me sit up. The link wont load for me but I posted a theory back in 1994 about a show I saw on Martin Luther King, and they showed footage never seen before of Kennedys motorcade just before it came around this bend into view in front of the repository building..

I saw Kennedy reach into his chest and I saw this glistening silver hand gun, and I said then that he shot himself and people said, yeah right! I taped that footage some where too..

Kennedy died because of a heist. It was all a heist, Kennedy was no longer wanted to be president of the few men that rule America so they had him assassinated so Lyndon Johnson could be the next president, because he was more suited to what they wanted the president to do.

There's an old saying: Let them hate us, as long as they fear us.

Kennedy was loved by the people and he was weak. He didn't have the guts the men behind wanted.

That's why he died, same with Martin Luther King Jr. He died because he was starting to become to powerfull. As with Elvis, he was also to popular.