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post Mar 18 2006, 05:26 PM
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For over 50 years, strange objects have been reported in the skies around the world. What are the possible explanations?

1) Time travelers
2) Aliens
3) Secret man made craft
4) Unknown aerial phenomenon
5) Extradimensional beings
6) Psychic/mental phenomenon

Unfortunately, for some believers, 1, 4, 5 and 6, cannot explain sightings where multiple qualified observers, in the air, on the ground, and radar operators see the same thing. And any minute change in the past will change the future, and an unplanned accident would be catastrophic. And the idea that aliens could exist in our atmosphere without special breathing apparatus is a bit far-fetched. That our government is in league with them, even more so.

The only plausible explanation for me is secret man made aircraft/spacecraft.

But let us return to aliens as an explanation. So the various types exist, kidnap humans, and perform experiments and nobody is or can do anything about it. So what is there to discuss?

I am not here to annoy anyone but to offer my observations.
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post Mar 18 2006, 05:39 PM
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And the idea that aliens could exist in our atmosphere without special breathing apparatus is a bit far-fetched.

I am not here to annoy anyone but to offer my observations.


Well they could simply be breathing inside their craft could they not? Remember we "existed" on the surface of the moon during the apollo missions, it's the same idea. I think it's more farfetched to think they flew that rediculous distance in space to end up here...but I'm still a believer.
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post Mar 18 2006, 05:50 PM
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First off, UFOs have been a part of our heritage.. since the BEGINNING OF TIME (I don't know why people forget that) Since Human beings were smart enough to draw on the wall, there is evidence of UFOs and Large headed people with large eye balls and tiny bodies. And the evidence also prooves, that they were here on earth, walking.. talking or communicating at least.. What about the ancient land drawings, Im not sure about the place or name but you can google it and find it pretty quick im sure, These thousand acre peices of art, you could not see them from the ground, or even a mountain top. But a birds eye view, you can see elegant and elaborate art, pictures of birds and other beautiful things of earth. Some think they are peace offerings from the aliens, other say they are offerings from Humans.. what ever the reason, they are there, and there is no scientific explaination for that (art) especially since it is centuries old.
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post Mar 18 2006, 05:55 PM
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Excelent post research81, I agree the vast majority of Unidentified Flying Objects are more than likely secret military projects. Many people take UFO's as a matter of faith, and do not apply any critiacal thinking to the phenomenon. They use what's know as divine fallacy, as in, "it moved like nothing known from this world, so it must be an alien spacecraft."

And Pheobs, could it be that our ancestors were simply drawing and painting what they imagined? Our ancestors were just as creative and imaginitve as we are today.
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post Mar 18 2006, 06:04 PM
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The difference today, is that people actually KNOW what they are becaus ewe have advanced far enough today that we Identify it as: - an aircraft of somekind - and we also can identify that these UFOs make our best aircraft look like a VW Jetta, like 80 model or something.. you know? It is waay more advanced than what we have been told we have or Its something literally out of this world. Personnally Im on the fence, but i do know that if we do have this technology, we HAD to have some help.. Im thinking it was ET.
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post Mar 18 2006, 06:08 PM
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Excelent post research81, I agree the vast majority of Unidentified Flying Objects are more than likely secret military projects. Many people take UFO's as a matter of faith, and do not apply any critiacal thinking to the phenomenon. They use what's know as divine fallacy, as in, "it moved like nothing known from this world, so it must be an alien spacecraft."

And Pheobs, could it be that our ancestors were simply drawing and painting what they imagined? Our ancestors were just as creative and imaginitve as we are today.



I find it hard to believe, that in a great space of time, like centuries.. (think about how long that is.. ok?) Now think about then (centuries ago) until now, i mean it, The majority of all known civilizations states in one way of another, and describes the same things over and over, Saucers in the sky, how do Cave men and renasance men have the same imagination.. like i know imagination is one thing, but how can u ignore that Its not pink elephants they are drawing, it is identical descriptions of BEINGS, and UFOS, or flying discs, or saucers or what ever the cavemen called them, DUDE, it is history, you can't change history, even though the US tries really hard, you can't change history.
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post Mar 18 2006, 06:09 PM
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Not really. Humans have proved to be ingenious and creative. Do you think anyone, even those knowledgable of physics would have thought in 1935 that the atom would be split 10 years later? We simply have a new mythology today. Strange phenomenon 1000 years ago would have been atributed to angels or demons, in our modern age we have extra-terrestrials...
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post Mar 18 2006, 06:10 PM
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I find it hard to believe, that in a great space of time, like centuries.. think about how long that is.. ok? Now think about the unitl now, i mean it, Every known civilization states in one way of another, and describes the same things over and over, Saucers in the sky, how do Cave men and renasance men have the same imagination.. like i know imagination is one thing, but how can u ignore that Its not pink elephants they are drawing, it is identical descriptions of BEINGS, and UFOS, or flying discs, or saucers or what ever the cavemen called them, DUDE, it is history, you can't change history, even though the US tries really hard, you can't change history.


Most so-called ancient alien paintings can be atributed to local tribal gods and spirits. Yes, to us they look like extra-terrestials, but that's because it meets our modern mythology.
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post Mar 18 2006, 06:14 PM
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ok lets say the cave drawing were dedicated to the gods, for argument sake, but what about the huge ariel sculptures on the ground that streach for miles?? How did they accomplish this, in ancient times.. adn how do you explain the air strips on the mountains near all of these sculptures>?
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post Mar 18 2006, 06:20 PM
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The Nazca Lines, here a good link, please do visit and read it as it can describe them far more clearly than I. I admit, Nazca is a mystery, but their are more plausable and scientific answers than extra-terrestials...

http://skepdic.com/nazca.html
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post Mar 18 2006, 06:21 PM
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Most so-called ancient alien paintings can be atributed to local tribal gods and spirits. Yes, to us they look like extra-terrestials, but that's because it meets our modern mythology.



I`m sorry but you can`t just write off every single report ever as just some human imagination thing. There have been so many strange reports of ufos and cave paintings over thousands of years that you can`t explain all of them as just myths I say they are unknown as of this time until hard evidence is found.

Why is it so far fetched that just maybe sometime in our history another intelligence came here?

I think It is more far out to think we are the only intelligence in the entire universe. That would be very bizarre :headscrat

Unless there are very few intelligences or some natural barrier preventing interstellar travel someone must know we are here.
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post Mar 18 2006, 06:25 PM
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I`m sorry but you can`t just write off every single report ever as just some human imagination thing. There have been so many strange reports of ufos and cave paintings or what ever over thousands of years that you can`t explain all of them as just myths I say they are unknown as of this time until hard evidence is found.

Why is it so far fetched that just maybe sometime in our history another intelligence came here?

I think It is more far out to think we are the only intelligence in the entire universe. That would be very bizarre :headscrat

Unless there are very few intelligences or some natural barrier preventing interstellar travel someone must know we are here.


Perhaps they did visit Seth, but they didn't build our great ancient monuments, they did not help human evolution, and they are not the basis of our gods. Heck, the Earth is over 4.8 billions year old, what if extra-terrestials arived here long before we arived? You know as well as I, we are a very young speices compared to the age of our planet. Perhaps they did come, and all they found were giant lumbering lizards. While interesting, I wouldn't consider that enough of a reason for a speices that could travel vast interstellar distances to stick around.

Besides, what reason is there that our ancestors couldn't be creative enough to imagine large-headed beings as their Gods or protective spirits?
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post Mar 18 2006, 06:30 PM
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We are creative sure I don`t deny that but not all reports can be brushed away as myths or lies i just don`t buy it you can if you want but I do not.

If you have that much confidence that humans built the great monuments which I don`t deny they did then why can`t you think that some people might have seen something real so long ago?

Some people might have seen something real and solid then told others and it became myth because so much was added to the stories that the truth got blurred out.
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post Mar 18 2006, 06:35 PM
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Maybe they did Seth, I'm willing to believe that had the same sightings we have today. But I don't buy the ideal made popular by Von Daniken that some how, aliens are responsible for our civilization or that they are our creators or gods. I mean, I accept the fact that perhaps, PERHAPS, a small percentage of UFO's are from a different intelligent speices, I just don't buy the metaphysical baggage, conspiracy theories, or mythology that comes with UFO's.
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post Mar 18 2006, 06:39 PM
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Fair enough biggrin.gif

Try this idea lets say back thousands of years ago people seen ufos but none ever landed and came out but people exagerated there stories saying they seen beings when in all reality they just seen the craft?

People tend to exagerate sometimes to make a story sound more interesting.

I`m not saying everyone does but alot do.
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post Mar 18 2006, 06:44 PM
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That's actually a good point Seth. I mean, one person today may report seeing a UFO, and just report seeing an unknown, another person may see the same UFO and confabulate a story about being taken to a utopian planet where he/she was told they were the chosen one.
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post Mar 18 2006, 06:46 PM
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I personally saw UFO once. I never claimed it to be more than what I said, an Unidentified Flying Object. Everything else would be baseless speculation.

http://www.alien-ufos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12223

Here's the thread I posted my experiance in.
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post Mar 18 2006, 06:50 PM
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Same here had two separate sightings but I don`t know what they were
I don`t think they were aircraft of the conventional kind but other then that who knows.

Honestly thou I just don`t know what to think I want to think we are or have been visited but I just don`t know there is no proof just peoples stories....I wish people could be more reliable I JUST WANT TO KNOW DAMN IT!!!! LOL biggrin.gif
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post Mar 18 2006, 06:51 PM
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Your sighting was simular to mine.
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post Mar 18 2006, 06:52 PM
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Calm down brother! biggrin.gif

Yeah, I'd like to know what it was I saw that night myself. You know me though, I don't like to jump to a conclusion. :shrug:
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