I am hoping when I mention this Andrew (the seeming resident technical expert), will slap his head and go "Of course!" lol

Really, this is a pretty fool proof way of testing that it really had happend...as the room for error would have been to great to cover it up.

First, we know the Soviets had Radio Technology in 1969, and that they were ... yeah you guessed it, listening in on anything we were doing up there.

So first clue that we went to the Moon...the Russians did not blow the whistle on there being "No Signal from the Moon."

Small hurdle you think though right? Just send some radio antennae up there to beam back some messages or something.

Wrong-o.

Aside from just being able to have messages come back from the Moon, you need to have the delay PERFECT.

Now it's easy to fake a delay when you don't have to actually put up with a delay, just wait the 1.8 seconds to "receive" and the 1.8 seconds to return a signal. (It was what...1.4 seconds right? 1.8? Something like that?)

Anyways, let's look at what would have had to happen to fool the Soviets who were listening in.

First, Houston would have had to transmit to Parks, the location of the NASA's communication disk in the southern hemisphere, and eastern hemisphere. Located in Australia.

Not a large delay, but if anyone's ever seen "live coverage" on the News, you'd realize it's enough to begin with.

Then that message has to fly all the way to the moon...about 2 seconds, then come back, about 2 seconds, to where ever their "fake moon landing" was happening.

Which since it is theorized to be in Area 51...means it had to come back to Parks, then be resent to Area 51.

By that time it'd be what...about 5 second delay? This is all non-scientific numbers here, but I think I'm semi-close.

Not to mention all the signal strength that would be lost from going from Huston to Parks to the Moon to Parks to Area 51.

Then there has to be a return.

Area 51 to Parks to the Moon to Parks to Huston.

That's about another 5 seconds eh?

Well...if it's just Houston through parks to the moon and then back same route, you're going to cut off that extra "to area 51 and back from area 51" delay times.

Not to mention you're going to cut the "back to earth" delay times...

Which is most crucial.

Now, how are you going to coreograph this? People can tell that Huston was broadcasting, thus the "que" to speak is dependant upon when the crew hears them.

Such as, "Houston Eagle come in", that goes to Parks, then to the Moon, then they hear it...they say, "Eagle here"...that goes to Parks then to Houston and they hear it.

In all I think it was something like a 5 second delay? The near 2 second delay to the moon and the standard communications delay for radio communication across the earth.

Well what hoaxists don't realize...is you'd have to HOAX the signal from the Moon.

That means one of two things.

Possibility 1:

"Houston Eagle, come in" >>> Parks >>> Moon >>> Parks >>> Area 51 >>> Ques Astronauts to reply.

Possibility 2: "Houston Eagle, come in" >>> Parks >>> Moon >>> Astronauts working on some super accurately synchronized clocks know exactly when to reply >>> Parks >>> Area 51 (Houston)

Problems.

Possibility 1:

Soviets easily detect the sever time delay, signature of "secret" communication routes not known to the general public.

Possibility 2:

The Astronauts would have to speak always, on exact ques, meaning every single word they said was scripted, meaning they spoke it flawlessly and never once spoke it just a "hair too fast".

It would be easy to brush of a hair too slow as the astronaut responding after a moment to think.

But if they responded a hair too fast, it's all over unless NASA can prove they used Pre-cognatives for Astronauts.

Both Possibilities are hard work to fool the Russians, possibility 2 is the only one that could possibly fool the russians, but it is so outlandish...even movies today couldn't be made so "flawlessly".

It's as if your actors were both deaf and blind, and they had to somehow communicate on stage without looking like fools.

This struck me when someone mentioned to me about how the Soviets would have to see that there were signals coming from the Moon.

It struck me then, that not only did they have to see Signals coming from the Moon, they had to be in the perfect time delay sequence that they would be through near-direct communication.

other-wise the delay would be sparatic, off, or completely wrong.

I think Andrew you'd agree with this absolutely?

I'm sorry for such a long post on this...but this is an absolute necessity to understand.

If man never walked on the Moon, some smart Soviet communications expert in the KGB would have realized it absolutely.

The only way that the Moon landings were a hoax, is if the two greatest enemies to exist in the history of the Earth, at the time of the peak of their hatred, were working closely together.

It is more improbable that the Soviets and Americans were working together in 1968-72, than it is to believe in the Moon Landings.

Oh also, I just realized, if Possibility #2 were actually happening, the Soviets probably would have EASILY picked up on the fact that they were receiving Houston messages from the Moon before or at the same time as they were receiving messages from the Moon by the Astronauts.

Maybe Andrews can enlighten us on whether or not such an "echo" would be normal.

As to me, it doesn't seem like there would be any Houston messages received from the Moon.

Ahh this also leads me to the conclusion there is a Possibility #3...it slipped my mind.

Possibility #3:

Houston >>> Parks >>> Area 51
Area 51 >>> Parks >>> Moon >>> Parks >>> Houston (the world).

Possibility 3 covers up the problems of "Houston transmissions from the Moon" but doesn't cover the problem of the extra near 2 second delay it takes for the Astronauts to communicate to the Moon in the first place.

For any such hoax to work, NASA would have had to been the best known actors in the world.

Either they'd have to be able to time their comments perfectly.

Or they'd have to respond to a machine on the Moon that had "pre-programed script" that would talk to Houston who would than reply to a machine...meanwhile all the footage of the Astronauts is on some tape up there.

This however, still is a coreographing marvel, as most movies have horrible errors through out and those movies usually have several if not literally DOZENS of takes for each scene.

NASA would have had to do the scenes perfectly without one flaw.

A flaw would be too long of a pause and suddenly the Astronaut, waiting for a response on something critical, is repeating back an answer he did not yet receive.

At least in a live Play, the actors are qued by the other Actor's response and lines.

For the extreme hoaxists out there.

NASA would have had to send on the Apollo 11 mission a robot to land at Tranquilitatis that would respond on que from NASA.

That is it receives transmission sends next message, then Houston works a reply and sends their message.

Now...if we could get a machine to do all that up there in 1969...we could just send people there in the first place.

The only thing stopping that would be Radiation.

Which was not as much an issue as some English professors make it out to be HAHAHAHA.

Anyways, what do you think Andrews?

Oh, but since the moon-walks were live, that means, there was no way you could que the moon walk.

Buzz or Neil wouldn't just pause until Houston sent a reply.

That means the message from the machine would have to be live as well, so that sorta disproves my last post.

To give you an idea of how watching a live video with a qued audio would be.

Just watch Lord of the Rings to the Far and Away audio track. Or...Days of Thunder to Sleepless in Seattle.

Or...Apollo 13 or From the Earth to the Moon to some Band of Brothers or Saving Private Ryan sound tracks.

Because after human errors which always happen, the difference in audio tracks and video sequences would be FAR off.

It is not true that american astronauts have not landed on the moon, but it is true that several (or all) videos and photos released by NASA on the subject are fake.

If the Americans had the technology to go to the moon, I'm sure they had the technology to 'fake' the radio messages .

However I am no expert on this, that's just my opinion.

''For any such hoax to work, NASA would have had to been the best known actors in the world.''

hehe, you said it.

I can see both sides of the argument here but why wouldn't it be possible to have pre-recorded everything and broadcast it that way!? I don't understand why no-one has mentioned this possibility.

Ben

i dont kno ifsombody already posted this ( i dont read long post like yours) okay IT DIDDNT HAPPEN!
if it did its beacuse of tha " race to tha moon"!
we were in a race agenst Russia to get to the moon, so we video taped and "scene" on a set in hollywood ( there is evendence all over tha pic)