a kind of wake up call

problem is with most americans obsessed with the bush gov or the N.W.O or whoever you think does these things.
terrorists like al-qaeda are going to tear you a new ass

before 9/11 america thought it was safe from outside terrorist attack look how many people round the world rejoiced when the towers fell

you have more enemys than you can count yet your friends can only be counted on one hand

In England we know what its like to have the threat of terrorism hanging over us we have been through it with the I.R.A

So why is it so hard for you to believe that terrorists attacked you are you that naive that you believe its the goverment or secret societys over people that actually hate you with there very soul

This is old news Fen, the price of freedom is high, and it's something that majority of the citizens of the United States are willing to pay, including myself.
The problem lies within the root of terrorism, pure and simple hatred fueled by jelousy and rage. There are over ten million Muslims living in the US , why haven't they interpreted thier religious beliefs as the terrorists have?
The USA is standing up for what we believe is a better way of life.And if the rest of the world wants to have negative thoughts about the US and it's Freedom.We'll settle it on the battlefield.
The IRA is standing up for what they believe also, you call them terrorists and I call them as I see them, fighting for Freedom. Once again, Freedom has it's price.
I have been around the globe in my travels, and there is nowhere else that even compares to the United States of America. FREEDOM! TinMan

The IRA has destroyed there weapons now havent they?

The terrorist are not fueled by jealousy, They are just little fucking pricks...

We kinda inflicted the hate even worse though with crimes we've done agaisnt easterners, Such as the Gulf war 2, caused the bombing on london, because we treated them badly (You cant denie it, some of the US and UK troops went way out of line), and things before i was born probally caused the WTC attacks

[QUOTE=Xeno;264620][The IRA has destroyed there weapons now havent they?/QUOTE]

yes dude as far as i know the scum have given their weapons up

tinman how dare you call the I.R.A freedom fighters they are terrorists pure and simple the same as the U.D.F and no different from any other scumbag terrorists........ by the way the I.R.A disbanded so i can see you are not up on current events......


by the way i think you missed the fact that i back america 100%

As is al Qaeda. However, you will be hard pressed to convince me that the problems in Northern Ireland have not just been caused by groups of violent thugs looking for an excuse to fight. I don't think that targetting innocent civilians with bombings is much to do with fighting for anyone's freedom. And I am not merely talking about collateral damage in attempts to strike military targets, but going after the civilians themselves.

The thing is, al-Qaeda evolved out of the terror networks set up during the Soviet/Afghan war during the 1980s with the monetary help of Pakistan, Saudi Saudi Arabia and the USA.

It means "The Base" in Arabic...and America "knew" about it all along.

Amen Fen, amen...

"In England we know what its like to have the threat of terrorism hanging over us we have been through it with the I.R.A"

Well what do you expect when you occupy countries...of course their will be a resistance..im not choosing any side for that matter, but you have to agree that England(example) was never satisfied unless they were trying to expand their kingdom, even if it meant invading and conquering weaker but soveriegn nations..and when their is opposition that occurs from that, they are labeled terrorists..again im not choosing sides, but i cannot justify either position, for both are the cause imo...

I'm not the one that brought the IRA into the conversation, no current events about it Fen............I agree with the idea that they WERE a different type of terrorist, none the less they were still fighting for what they believed in. Freedom, yea I DARE to say it again FREEDOM. If you can't handle the heat, You should'nt post threads like this one!:smokin: T

I wouldn't call what Al-Qaeda is fighting for freedom...

"I wouldn't call what Al-Qaeda is fighting for freedom..."

But you would when we backed them in the Soviet/Afghani conflict?...

Actually, we backed the group that became know as the Northern Alliance, Iran backed Osama Bin Laden's group, Bin Laden was approached by members of the CIA, but threatened to have them killed...

"Actually, we backed the group that became know as the Northern Alliance, Iran backed Osama Bin Laden's group, Bin Laden was approached by members of the CIA, but threatened to have them killed..."

You havent answered my question...as for the rest of your response..sources please...

And what would you have me say Rouge? That I live in a perfect nation? Nonsense, no nation has "clean hands", even your own. But the fact of the matter remains, Osama Bin Laden's group is not fighting for democracy or freedom, he is fighting for Islamic domination, plain and simple.

And did you know, there were at least 20 factions fighting the Soviets in the war in Afghanistan? But then again, the Soviets were a "peaceful" nation, maybe the West shouldn't have offered any help to Afghanistan, should have let Afghanistan become another "people's republic" Here's a map of the various areas controlled by the more powerful factions in the war against the Soviets. And located on the page is an excellent source for you.

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/afghanis.htm

I said nothing of the sort.Al-Qaeda is attempting to take freedom away from those who have fought so hard to maintain it.Tinman

Then, you and I are in agreement on that subject Tinman...

So when they strapped a 27 year old woman to a chair, removed her breasts with knives, cut open her stomach so she could see herself die slowly before covering her with molten tar and depositing her on the sidewalk they were fighting for freedom? When they placed a bomb in Bradford England nowhere near any military establishments (they left it in a shopping mall) and when it exploded and killed men, women and decapitated an eight your old child, they were fighting for freedom? When they left a bomb in the main precinct of Omah shopping centre and killed scores of people and left scores crippled and debilitated for their rest of their lives - they were fighting for freedom? These are just a snapshot of hundreds (if not thousands) of IRA atrocities committed both here in the mainland as well as in Northern Ireland itself - there is a reason we don't dignify them with the name 'terrorist attacks' - they are atrocities - committed not by an organisation committed to 'freedom' but to preserving the stranglehold they had on the drug trade, money laundering, illegal gambling and general racketeering they built up over the years. Freedom was of secondary importance - your selective interpretation of modern history surprises me.....

Ben

"he is fighting for Islamic domination, plain and simple. "

domination of what?..You dont fight for domination untill you've allready imposed your offensive threat by invading and trying to overtake possession of an area not dominated by your ideal..other than certain area's of the middle east, where have they tried to dominate? where they didnt allready have a presence? Dont mistake my questioning as apologetic or support for thier ideals..i am and will continue to be neutral..Can you not classify the "Western offensive" in invading foriegn regions as domination and trying to impose a idealism just the same?

Sadly Ben, some are more than willing to support the evil that men commit...