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post Sep 13 2006, 12:35 PM
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Several people have been injured in a shooting at a college in the Canadian city of Montreal, according to Canadian media reports.

Details on the incident at Dawson College are still sketchy, but initial reports say four people have been hurt, two of them seriously.

Some reports said a gunman had entered the cafeteria at lunchtime and there may have been more than one suspect.

TV footage showed students fleeing the campus and stretchers with casualties.

Eyewitnesses spoke of blood on the steps of the building, which houses 10,000 students.

Police have cordoned off the area and nearby sites have been evacuated.

In December 1989 a gunman shot and killed 14 young women in Montreal's Ecole Polytechnique, before turning the gun on himself.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk

It also says now that the gunmen have committed suicide. They where said to be dressed in dark army uniforms in long black coats, and black boots.

The news can not be trusted. But they are now saying 4 dead, and 16 injured.
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post Sep 15 2006, 01:44 PM
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In Montreal, the city I was born, two days ago a mad man went on a rampage and shot and injured 20 students at Dawson College. He so far has killed one. 4 are in critical condition and day by day and the others look like they will survive.

What we had is a 25 year old, unemployed male, living at home and from what the reports are now indicating, was an angry loner and had placed pictures of himself on a web site holding his machine gun and talking about wiping out people, etc.

On Wednesday at 3.30 a.m. he wrote on his blog that he was feeling postal. That morning he had breakfast, apparently drank whisky, then got in his car (a Sunfire) and drove to Dawson College across the street from the Old Montreal Form (the Montreal Canadians used to play NHL hockey there) and the Alexis Neon Plaza. He took out a machine gun, shot gun, and a hand gun
shot at people then went into the college and began radomly shooting at students. Two police officers outside the college taking a report on minor drug charges, heard the shots and went in.

This mad man shot a young 18 year old girl Anastasia De Souza. As she lay dying a young man tried to help her. He asked the gun man if he could help her and the gun man simply said not to bother and shot her some more.

Awhile back another mad man went into another school and began randomly shooting female engineering students to death before he was killed.

Because of that earlier massacre in Montreal, and in fact another shooting where a university professor shot 4 of his colleagues, Montreal Police and Paramedics learned from these tragedies.

In this latest nightmare, due to new procedures, Montreal police did not wait for the Swat team and simply stay put, they used their discretion and moved in. As well, emergency crew arrived at the scene much quicker and were able to transport shooting victims faster although one person had to wait twenty minutes while an off duty paramedic applied pressure to a huge gun shot wound in his head with a Dawson College teacher.

The police couldn't kill the gunman because students were in the line of fire. They did shoot him in an arm. He eventually shot himself in the head and died.

Montreal is now in shock. Dawson College is what we call a CEGEP, is where you go for grade 12 and 13. It now has 10,000 students. When I went there it was on a much smaller campus. When I went there back in the early 70's it was a lot of fun and I learned a lot. When I was 17 and 18 at that school, I would describe myself as a screwed up teen-ager with issues, and depressed,
but in that regard I would say I was like most young people going through anghst. I can't imagine getting to the point of hating people to want to kill them.

This mad man was 25 and never went to Dawson. He fits the typical profile of these kind of shooters-male, late teens to early 30's, alienated, no friends, feeling completely rejected by society. The rampage is in fact an acting out of their demanding respect and acceptance-and as is always the case, it is both a tantrum demanding attention and an act of acted out suicide.

It is a miracle not more people were killed.

Here in Canada we do have gun control. In fact our Parliament (federal) was about to start debate on whether they should repeal a system of gun registry. The minority government that wanted to repeal the system, now probably will not because it would be political suicide after these latest
horrible thing.

Now here in Canada we control guns and yet this 25 year old loner was able to by a machine gun, a hand gun and a shot gun, no problem. Luckily he did not get back to his car because apparently it was full of ammunition.

I feel bad seeing all those young kids, 17, 18 who are supposed to be just beginning to become adults and welcome new life experiences, exposed to this utter madness. On Monday they say they will reopen the school. My daughters are 23, 21. I can't imagine if that was my daughter he had shot dead. I feel for the young man who tried to help her and kneeled by her and then watched this mad man keep shooting her. This poor guy also saw the mad man kill himself. So many people will be hurt by this. I just hate guns man.
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post Sep 15 2006, 02:04 PM
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I did a thread on this when it happened, but sparked 0 attention.

This is very sad, its a terrible example of how desperate some people feel, I don’t know whether to deem these killers as mentally ill, lost, or evil, perhaps they are all them things?

My thoughts are for those effected by this tragic event.
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post Sep 16 2006, 12:52 PM
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I did a thread on this when it happened, but sparked 0 attention.

This is very sad, its a terrible example of how desperate some people feel, I don’t know whether to deem these killers as mentally ill, lost, or evil, perhaps they are all them things?

My thoughts are for those effected by this tragic event.


I didn't see your thread or I wouldn't have started mine. I note they merged mine with yours which makes sense. I can only guess since it happened in Canada and not the US where most posters write from or the UK, maybe it doesn't spark any interest.
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post Sep 17 2006, 01:05 AM
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Problem is guy's in the world we live in today this isn't that big of a deal to most people
Not when you got hundred's dying each day.........


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post Sep 28 2006, 09:17 PM
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Problem is guy's in the world we live in today this isn't that big of a deal to most people
Not when you got hundred's dying each day.........


Hundreds? Try tens of thousands...

I didn't reply to either thread about the Montreal shooting rampage because I:

a) Have no interest in reading/writing about something that affects me so closely (four of my cousing attending classes that day there) so soon after the fact

cool.gif Believe that the media has already done its bit in turning the story around until it seems like nothing. Most people outside of Southern Ontario and Southern Quebec never heard of this.
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post Sep 28 2006, 11:22 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060929/ap_on_...DltBHNlYwM3MTY-

Seems like this isnt too note-worthy either sad.gif :candle:
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post Sep 28 2006, 11:24 PM
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No, I wondered why more folks weren't talking about this tragedy, 22. To the families, friends, and loved-ones of all involved in both of these senseless crimes, I have nothing but sympathy...
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post Oct 2 2006, 11:44 PM
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Man storms Amish school, kills 3, self

NICKEL MINES, Pa. - A milk-truck driver carrying three guns and a childhood grudge stormed a one-room Amish schoolhouse Monday, sent the boys and adults outside, barricaded the doors with two-by-fours, and then opened fire on a dozen girls, killing three people before committing suicide.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061003/ap_on_...school_shooting
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