First of all... I would like to see a bit of proof here.

Show me a bit of proof that macroevolution exists?

show me proof that atoms exist?

AF...what kind of proof are you looking for?

Ask and ye shall receive

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html

if that doesn't satiate your quest you can always look up the primate fossil record


In the way of scientific proofs and theorms or would a picture under an electron scanning microscope suffice?

There is no proof or evidence of Christianity, because like every other religion, it requires a person to believe out of pure faith. There's no reason, science, evidence, logic, sense, or proof involved here...

Darwinian evolution doesn't contradict the existence of a deity or deities, nor the supernatural. Your comment is out of place. Last I read, John Paul II accepted Darwinian evolution, as does other various sects of Christianity and Judaism.

Exactly. Just because you believe in evolution doesn't mean that can't believe in god or another religion's god. Personally, I believe in the flying spaghetti monster, bigfoot, aliens, the chucacabra, evolution, and a government cover up. I like to stick to occam's razor, if you don't know what that is, basically it says examine ordinary claims before examining the extraordinary. Now of course with the bigfoot thing, I don't really believe it, but I was making a point. When I say I believe in the FSM, i don't really mean it. Most people say its prepostourous, but it's the same thing with god. You can't disprove that it exists, so therefore it exists! At least that's the arguement I hear from most christian radicals.

Ive heard of bigfoot, aliens, the chucacabra, evolution, and a government cover up.... but flying spaghetti monster!!!! wtf is that =)

More evidence for evolution for you. Going to nip this mind desease in the bud. At least in the forum.

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles...g_evolution.htm

Wodan, its a tongue-in-cheek religion used to show that you can't disprove dieties but that doesn't mean they exist. http://www.venganza.org/

Christianity is based in blind faith, which is completely illogical. It's just a means of Social Control.

Yes, and another thing that's getting on my nerves is when people quote the bible and automatically think that means they're right. The bible also says that the penalty for investigating another religion is death. It's a lot of primitive BS, and it's about time people realized it.

But then again. those who don't believe in themselves or each other perhaps need to believe in a god of some sort. Just a shame God is such a war monger,

The problem with the bible is that it's taken too literally by some people. It's mostly just symbolism of what really happened in the Old Testament. The New Testament is mostly the story of Jesus, which I believe to be mostly true.

Now, without talking about Christianity, some kind of God must exist. In fact, the theory of evolution supports that! When something is said to evolve, it is becoming "better suited" to it's environment and is becoming more advanced. A God is needed to set the parameters as to what is "good" in the evolution progress. Same thing with the laws of physics. And how did the universe first get here? The big bang makes perfect sense, but how did all that matter and energy get into the universe in the first place?

Now, religious fanatics and atheists really annoy me. They aren't flexible at all in their ideas of God and the universe. The Christian fanatics say "The bible is 100% true". Atheists are just as much based on pure belief rather than proof. They say "God doesn't exist" and no amount of evidence that a God does exist will ever change their mind.

Science neither confirms nor denies the existence of God.


There is 0 amount of evidence for the existance of God. Some atheists are atheists because something bad happened to them that made them deny God. Other are because no evidence of God warrants no belief in God (to them).

Actually, Krieger, natural selection is what sets the parameters for existance in nature. If something can survive and reproduce then it will continue to exist as a species, what specifies the parameters that need to be met are determined by the enviroment the organism exists in.

The universe is independent of time, because it is mostly empty space time has no effect on it, thus it has no beginning and no end. As to how matter and energy come into existance in the universe is an intresting topic, look up 'quantum vacuum fluctuations' for more on the subject.

The new testament was made because if the christians where going to have any success at forcing other religions to follow them then they would need to make some changes as the old testament talked about a vengeful god, and perverted "divine" rules. Even tho they acted with greed, bloodlust and prejudice they wanted people to se them as holy saviors after they had won this disgusting war of betrayal. So they made a new testament about an all forgiving god and the rules he made, wich just happen to be in the favor of the church.



I am not a religious fanatic or an atheist but i the thing you wrote here is the exact opposite, i have arguing with so many christians about the existence of God and the amount of bs that is in the bible, and everytime i come with strong arguments against something all they can say if: God works in mysterious ways or something similar.
And if you show me a single piece of evidence that god exist ill give you a pie

If indeed matter and energy 'came into being' at all.