With a title like this you might expect this to be a very short thread. Only time will tell...

I spent the better part of this weekend researching Nostradamus. I searched several Internet sites and reviewed many of the dozen or so programs I've recorded over the years about Nostradamus.

In the process I placed the best programs from the 'In Search Of' series, the 'Divine Magic' (DSC) series, the 'Biography' (A&E) series, the 'Sightings' (SCIFI) series, the 'Ancient Prophecies' series and even included the Orson Welles' narrated movie 'Nostradamus, The Man Who Saw Tomorrow' onto a 6 hour DVD, which I will be happy to mail a copy, free of charge, to anyone who sends me their mailing address by private message.

I also read every thread on this website that contained the word 'Nostradamus' but, outside of a few quatrains lifted from articles Justice League quoted, there wasn't any of the more notable quatrains quoted. Hence this thread.

There are plenty of threads, including the one preceding this one, to denounce, trash and otherwise show disbelief and disdain for the works of Nostradamus. Wouldn't it be nice if this thread could become a source for searchers of knowledge to come and learn why some people believe in his prophecies as opposed to why some people do not?

I believe the reason for many of the negative, emotionally based responses to Nostradamus' work is due to the inherent fear people have over not feeling they are in control over their own destiny. After all, doesn't the idea of Divine prophecy contain an implied belief in fate and/or predestination? If this is so then where is the power of mans' free will to change things? Nostradamus dedicated his quatrains to his son Caesar and stated clearly that his prophesies could be averted, his predictions could be avoided.

Believing in the works of Nostradamus is similar to believing in an organized Religion. There is usually a sacred book involved which is subject to diverse interpretations. In Christianity, what typically separates one Religion from another is the divergent viewpoints based upon the different interpretations of Scripture. As with any Religion a certain amount of faith is required of the student.

Nostradamus purposely did not make many of his quatrains easy to decipher. He did not want to be arrested and tried by the Inquisition for practicing sorcery. Perhaps he wanted to follow in the footsteps of his Savior Jesus Christ, who used parables and the like to convey his hidden meaning. As Jesus so aptly put it, "I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to babes." (Matthew 11:25)

As a former minister with the Jehovahs' Witnesses, there was much faith required of me. After all, when you are expected to go knocking on people's doors teaching them about the Bible while also giving up celebrating Holidays, smoking, recreational drugs, illicit sex and the like you have to have a lot of faith or fear or both.

A notable thing about Nostradamus is he didn't expect us to have any faith in what he wrote. In fact, I theorize he believed that his prophecies would more than likely come true precisely because most people would lack faith. With no faith, there is little incentive to try to stem the tide of conditions that could eventually ripen the fruit of destiny.

Take the example of King Henry II of France. In 1555 he and his wife Katherine DeMedici summoned Nostradamus to their palace to inquire of him the meaning of his 35th quatrain of the first Century.

"The young lion will overcome the older one in the field of combat, in a single fight.
He will pierce his eyes in their golden cage.
Two wounds in one.
Then he dies a cruel death."

The King scoffed at the idea that this prediction could apply to him, because, due to his advanced age, his jousting days were over. Nostradamus explained that he wrote what he saw but that the prediction could easily be avoided.

Just a year later and the King must have felt extraordinarily good about the double Royal wedding of his sister and daughter to his strategic allies. Maybe it was due to the excellent quality or quanitity of wine that prompted the King to propose a joust with his young Captain of the Scottish guard Gabrielle de Montgomery. Maybe it was his false sense of invulnerability that caused him to tempt fate and attempt to thumb his nose at God's prophet.

Having previously commissioned his metalsmith to create a specially designed protective helmet, the King probably felt very confident that he would be safe from harm. Could the King possibly have been a little jealous of Nostradamus and decided to have a safe joust as a way of showing him he was wrong? Did the King allow his ego to get in the way of his better judgement?

The fact that the helmet was made of gold should have caused someone in the Royal household to give pause, reflect and then remind and warn the King of what Nostradamus had said about a 'golden cage'. Perhaps the King deliberately had it made of gold in order to more fully denounce Nostradamus as a false prophet after successfully completing the injury free contest.

The joust proceeded. Both men wore armor and carried shields which incidentally bore the image of a lion. They made several mock passes at one another. Then violent contact was made. The lance of Gabrielle shattered against the King's shield and splintered, causing the flat sharpened tip to slide into the small opening of the helmet and stab the King in the eye and brain causing two wounds in one.

After ten agonizing days of pain the King died from infection. The night the King died Gabrielle was heard to exclaim, "Cursed be the divine one who predicted it so easily, and so well!" A mob gathered that night for the purpose of finding and then killing Nostradamus. The Inquisition also sought him.

In recognition of his Gift and in appreciation for his services the now widowed Queen Katherine, along with the new King, her son Charles the 9th, located Nostradamus and conferred upon him the honored title: 'Doctor of Medicine and Soothsayer' by Royal Appointment!

So much for the misconception that Nostradamus never made any predictions that came true in his lifetime.

What say you? Do you have a favorite quatrain? Let's hear about it. My experience shows that most every website featuring Nostradamus will contain at least one interesting quatrain that might appeal to you. It has been said that over half of his predictions have come true. Care to share?

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Another set of favorite quatrains of mine are located in Century 9 numbers 19 and 20:

"By night will come through the forest of Reines,
two partners, by a roundabout way.
The queen, the white stone.
The monk-king dressed in gray at Varennes.
The elected Capet causes tempest, fire and bloody slicing."

These verses have been interpreted by Erika Cheetham to be a description of the attempted flight of Louis 16th of France and his wife Marie Antoinette in 1791.

"By night will come through the forest of Reines,"
Historians say that the Royal couple tried to escape their imprisonment at the Tuileries at night in a coach through the forest of Reims.

"two partners, by a roundabout way."
As it happened their coach driver lost his way in the darkness and took a rather circuitous route, which would prove to be their undoing.

"The queen, the white stone."
This line could aptly describe Marie Antoinette's appearance in that it is reported that upon her original incarceration her hair is reported to have turned white overnight. She was also known to regularly wear garments of white. Some have speculated that 'the white stone' she is identified with could be the infamous white diamond she purchased for a huge sum which ultimately resulted in the populations' outrage and eventual overthrow of the regime.

"The monk-king, dressed in gray at Varennes."
At the time of the king's capture at the town of Varennes he was wearing a gray suit. The term 'monk-king' could be a reference to his reported sexual impotence during the beginning of his marriage.

"The elected Capet..."
Although Louis 16th initially inherited his throne by the 'Divine Right' system of the day he was subsequently dethroned by the army only to later be chosen by a popular vote of the people to be their first 'elected' King of France.

"...causes tempest, fire and bloody slicing."
There is no doubt the French Revolution can be aptly described by these terms. The phrase "bloody slicing" can be easily understood when seen in the context of the introduction of the guillotine as the preferred means of executing not only this couple but countless others to follow.

It seems obvious to me that none of these lines could have been easily understood by the Royal couple as applying to them in order for them to have taken heed and choosing to make their escape by a different route. Perhaps they were familiar with these lines but didn't recognize themselves in the verses or perhaps they simply refused to believe in a rather obscure 236 year old prophecy.
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Another of my favorite quatrains is from Century 1 Number 25:

"The lost thing is discovered, hidden for long centuries.
Pasteur will be celebrated almost as a god.
This is when the moon completes her great cycle,
but he will be dishonored by other rumors."

Some believe the interpretation of this quatrain is as follows:

The "lost thing" that is discovered is the knowledge of the idea that the microscopic germs that cause illness and disease can be found almost everywhere.

"Pasteur will be celebrated almost as a god" is referring to none other than Louis Pasteur, the famous French chemist, who became known as the acknowledged head of the greatest chemical movement of the time. From his discoveries we get the process called 'pasteurization'.

"This is when the moon completes her great cycle" is a reference to the cycle of the moon period which began in 1535 and ended in 1889. Pasteur founded the 'Institut Pasteur' on November 14, 1889, just as the moon was completing its great cycle.

"He will be dishonored by other rumors" probably refers to the violent opposition that his methods aroused among powerful members of the French Academy, particularly against the new practices of the Insitut, with its use of vaccines, such as those against hydrophobia.
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i was watching the history channel like 2 years before 9/11 and had a show on about him and it said that two great metal birds will start world war three that was pretty crazy

That was a hoax. Can provide links, but too much work for now.

how would it be a hoax if i seen it prior to 9/11 alot of shit on the internet is mis interpreced and taken by others and their extra bull shit is put on it

Citation prior to the 9/ 11 event about 'two metal birds starting world war three', please. Then I will bow down before you, for I will not be worthy.

I turn your attention to the "Corrected Nostradamus Hoax Lines" website (first one I came upon on Google, since there are many many more) http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=11570

Search for "metal"

We all sometimes believe we see and hear something at a particular time in the past. Sometimes the mind tricks us into believing we were really there and saw/ heard it, whereas in fact it was either some other time, or place, or indeed, fact.

Russ, I for one..have a lot of knowledge of Nostradamus -I was taught the quatrains as a child because my father said them as nursery rhymes to us. I'm not here to bash this thread, not at all. However, to allow the rumor of the 9/11 quatrain is just not okay.

I wrote this in May in one of Ben's threads, and I'd like to share this part of it quickly, then we can get back to the fun part of the man. Hope you can forgive me this post..=)

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You know -the way he wrote the quatrains...they easily fit many different scenarios. And boy, people sure do try to make them fit.. The fact that Reuters released a now famous (false) quatrain that is supposedly a direct Nostradamus prediction of 9/11...is just wild.

This was published after 9/11..supposedly his exact words.


Then along came this...



He never said "In the year of the new century and nine months."
The quatrain reads like this...

I don't think anything really big happened in 1999...

Then we get to..."twin brothers" being "torn apart."
It actually reads as such...


He also wrote..


How does this actually pertain to anything? It just doesn't fly...
What was published as his exact words regarding 9/11, never gave any citation whatsoever.

Dear Dani,

I want to thank you for your insight regarding the spurious 9/11 quatrains. I enjoyed reading your comments very much. Before starting this thread I did a lot of research on the 1,000 quatrains. I found that the vast majority of the quatrains were so vague and obscure that little success could be found in attempting to understand their meaning.

The various programs and movies I have on the subject seemed compelling only because they tended to lump several seemingly related quatrains together in an attempt to 'flesh out' the prophecies. When they stand alone as mere four lines of verse their content and subsequent value seem meager and bare.

However there have been some quatrains, though sparse in words, seem rather exact in their meaning. The few I have posted about on this thread are but a few examples. There are a several others I will speak about later.

The most specific quatrain Nostradamus ever gave is from Century 10, verse 72:

"In the year 1999 and seven months
from the sky will come the Great King of Terror.
He will bring back the Great King of the Mongols.
Both before and after this, Mars reigns happily."

The only other time Nostradamus gave a reference to a year of fulfillment is in Century 2, verse 51 where he refers to the great fire which burned down London in 1666.

"The blood of the just will be demanded of London, burnt by fire in three times twenty and six (66)..." The fulfillment of this quatrain could just as easily have been accomplished in 1766, 1866, or 1966 so it really doesn't compare with the only quatrain where he puts his entire reputation on the line by committing to a definite month, year and century.

In order for me to understand who the 'Great King of Terror' is I had to first draw up a list of suspects and then track down where they were and what they did in July of 1999.

By a process of elimination I came to the conclusion that the 'Great King of Terror' could be none other than George W. Bush, our President. This is probably not very surprising to the millions of humans around the world who currently believe he sits alone as the greatest threat to the future existence of the human race.

It can be disturbing for some to realize that GW's stated role model was President Harry S. Truman, the only President to have dropped Atomic weapons on human beings. It can be even more disturbing to realize that GW said, in March of 2002, that all options were open for the use of the US nuclear arsenal to deter hostile nations from threatening the United States or its allies.

Was Iraq a hostile nation that threatened the United States or one of its allies? Was that why we invaded that sovereign nation, without the UN's approval or support? Did the atrocities committed against the detainees at the Abu Grahib prison reflect the orders of high ranking officers to "soften up" the inmates before their interrogations? How far up the chain of command did this order originate?

When the abuses at Abu Grahib were stopped why did the CIA secretly begin shipping terror suspects to countries that allowed torture techniques in their interrogations? Why do the authorities in this country secretly arrest, interrogate, incarcerate and deport persons in this country whose only crime seems to be that they are of Arabic descent and/or of Islamic belief? How can a man who flies in the face of public opinion, opposes Congress and continually over reaches his powers by instituting new programs of illegal surveillance on American citizens be trusted to act responsibly?

Some have stated that GW and Putin have more in common than being former heads of their respective spy agencies. Some believe neither man ever intends on giving up the position they now hold. If, as some believe, the 9/11 attacks were caused by forces within our own government, then all GW would need to stay in office forever is another major "terrorist" attack to occur before the Electoral College meets in December of 2008. With another 9/11 type attack Bush could call for a state of emergency, dismiss Congress, lay aside the Constitution and keep the Electoral College from meeting thereby making himself a true "King of Terror."

So the question arises: what did GW Bush do in July of 1999. According to the historical record this potential "great king of terror" came "from the sky" to land in Amherst, New Hampshire on July 4th, 1999 to make his bid for the Presidency of the United States. Just as we claim July 4th, 1776 as the birth of our nation when the Declaration of Independence was signed and not when we actually became independent after successfully winning the Revolutionary War against England, so we count the date of "In the year 1999 and seven months" as the time which announced the arrival of the "great king of terror."

In order to understand the reference that the great king of terror comes from the sky "To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols," we must realize that the famous past king of the Mongols (Genghis Khan) successfully invaded Iraq and subsequently sacked and pillaged Baghdad and that to "bring back" this "King" would mean to repeat what this former king had done.

As for the verse "Before and after Mars reigns happily" we must realize that "Mars" is a reference to the God of War and therefore is generally understood to mean that a war in Iraq would both precede and follow the appearance of the "great king of terror." It is also noteworthy to realize that the year President Bush invaded Iraq in 2003, Mars was the closest its been to our planet in the past 50,000 years!

One last point should be noted here. Some believe that "Mabus", the third Anti-Christ mentioned by Nostradamus was actually Sudam Hussein probably because when you hold the name Sudam up to a mirror you can clearly read the name "Mabus." It could be nothing more than a coincidence but the date of the capture of Sudam Hussein on December 14, 2003 was the 500th anniversary of the birth of Nostradamus!
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Another quatrain of Nostradamus that impressed me with its accuracy had to do with the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963.

"The ancient work will be accomplished
and from the roof evil ruin will fall on the great man.
Being dead, they will accuse an innocent of the deed.
The guilty one hidden in the misty woods." Century 6, Verse 37

My belief is the term 'the ancient work' refers to murder. The first murder, according to the Bible, was the ancient murder of Adam and Eve's son Abel by his jealous brother Cain.

The reference 'from the roof' is about as close as one can get to describing an event originating from the top floor of a building.

The reference to 'the great man' would be indicative of a person of some considerable historical importance and notoriety.

'Being dead, they will accuse an innocent of the deed.' I believe this is an apt description of what happened to Lee Harvey Oswald. My reasons for believing in the innocence of Lee Harvey Oswald is spelled out in detail in the following post:

http://www.alien-ufos.com/forum/showthread...1589#post281589

'The guilty one hidden in the misty woods.' aptly describes, to me, the concealed location of one of the true assassins who fired, perhaps the fatal shot, from behind a concealing, mist-like, fence in the woods behind what is commonly referred to as the grassy knoll.
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