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Jun 19 2007, 06:43 AM
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Its been a while since Bob delivered his revalations about AREA 51, Element 115, S4, etc etc so what are your feelings about the things he said ? was it the truth ? was it a lie ? i think he told the truth but that's my opinion will we ever know ? :alien2:
-------------------- '' Open the pod bay doors HAL ''
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Jun 19 2007, 04:41 PM
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i really dont know wat too believe, i think he was telling the truth but then sometimes i think it was all a hoax so that he could get famous
and is he still alive i havent heard from him like 4ever |
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Jun 19 2007, 11:43 PM
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I've seen a UFO but I don't go around telling everyone I meet my incredible story, because I know how I would feel if someone told me the same. Unimpressed, slightly disappointed that they would stoop to such a story for popularity. Evidence is what would make me tell it to the world. Lazar has no evidence. Some shitty little document typed on an old typewriter is not evidence.
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Jun 24 2007, 04:07 AM
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disinformation agent.
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Jun 24 2007, 05:18 AM
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But isn't disinformation the truth mixed with lies if so it dosen't answer the questions did he tell the truth ? or did he lie?
-------------------- '' Open the pod bay doors HAL ''
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Jun 24 2007, 06:58 AM
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Disinformation: “Unlike traditional propaganda and Big Lie techniques designed to engage emotional support, disinformation is designed to manipulate the audience at the rational level by either discrediting conflicting information or supporting false conclusions.”
Aba may have a point regarding Lazar, wittingly or otherwise, spreading disinformation: Two major political events were taking shape at the time Lazar came out with his ‘revelations: The End of the USSR and the end of Iraq’s massive military presence in the Middle-East, both of which fell in 1991. Lazar came out with his disclosures around the time the USA was about to blast Iraq’s Army to smithereens (Lazar claimed to have worked in area 51 between 1988-1989. Lazar gave his open interview in November 1989. The relationship between Iraq and the United States remained ’overtly’ stable until the day Iraq invaded Kuwait, in 1990. However... “On October 2, 1989 (a month before Lazar's interview), President George H.W. Bush signed The Secret National Security Directive 26, which begins, ‘Access to Persian Gulf oil and the security of key friendly states in the area are vital to U.S. national security.’” Source: http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/nsd/nsd26.pdf The Gulf War ran from August 2, 1990 – February 28, 1991. Possibly, the timing here is coincidental.) US stealth tech and weapons capabilities had not been put to the test on a full scale yet and the World was not even fully aware of the strength of the US Military. I think it would be in the USA’s interest to have a rumor like the one Lazar presented to be of great ‘psych value’ prior to the upcoming war. Bob certainly is not ‘hiding out‘: “Lazar and Gene Huff also run Desert Blast, an annual festival for "explodaholics" in the Nevada desert. Starting in 1987 (but only formally named in 1991, inspired by Desert Storm) the festival features home-made explosives, rockets, jet-powered vehicles, and other pyrotechnics, with the intention of emphasizing the fun aspect of physics.” Sounds pretty kool… ~rore -------------------- Peace&Love~rore
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Jun 24 2007, 07:51 AM
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So after all that do YOU think he was a disinformation agent then ?
-------------------- '' Open the pod bay doors HAL ''
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Jun 24 2007, 08:31 AM
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I never fully bought into Lazar’s disclosures and the more facts I dig up surrounding his ‘claims‘, the less inclined I am in regards to believing 'his story’… Whether or not he was employed as an agent for the USA, I really have no idea... ~rore
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Jun 24 2007, 02:06 PM
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(oskar;318215) Its been a while since Bob delivered his revalations about AREA 51, Element 115, S4, etc etc so what are your feelings about the things he said ? was it the truth ? was it a lie ? i think he told the truth but that's my opinion will we ever know ? :alien2: Dear Oskar, I have a copy of several interviews Bob Lazar gave for various TV programs. My initial opinion of him was that he was credible. He didn't seem overly concerned if anyone believed his claims or not. At the time he wasn't selling any books or soliciting any money for going public with his experiences. He felt his life might be in danger because of his disclosures but that exposing what he saw was his best defense against anything 'mysteriously' tragic happening to him. One of the interviewers, (a TV reporter with years of experience investigating paranormal activity) said that he believed Bob Lazar after he correctly answered several questions pertaining to the location and setup of the snack room/cafeteria area of the S4 facility. The reporter had previously received a detailed description of this information from a trusted source and found what Bob Lazar described was quite accurate. Bob Lazar made several remarks during his on camera interview that I found compelling. He said when he first saw the small, round, 30 foot diameter 'sport' model flying saucer he thought it was something our Government had built. This point is noteworthy because he did not go into the top secret military facility with the expectation of finding 'alien' craft. He was as surprised as anybody to discover that no country on Earth could have produce what he examined. Secondly, when he entered this space vehicle he said he felt like he was being observed and furthermore he said he experienced an overwhelming feeling that he 'did not belong there.' (Inside the craft). He finally came to the realization that this object was not designed for Earthlings when he got to the cockpit area and saw that the seats were not large enough to accommodate an adult human being. All in all I found his conversations to be intelligent, insightful, clear and concise with no evidence of an emotionally charged crack-pot intent on 'saving the world'. ______________________ "Conversation is the image of the mind. As a man is, so is his talk." Publius Syrus |
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Jun 24 2007, 06:13 PM
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Apparently, 25% of academic scientists tend toward the propbability of intelligent life in outer space (which might make up for the lack of it on Earth at this present time.) Is that a sattelite passing overhead or is it something just mimicking the path a sattelite might travel? It is still a UFO because one cannot precisely identify it from the ground and remains therefore unidentified, unless one is in the the control room of the National Reconnaisance Office (NRO) which is lavishly funded to track objects in outer space. Who is Bob anyway and who is the Antibob (Church of the Subgenius?) where is Area 52? Is it the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in Washington State? Is there a subway tunnel between Area 51 and Area 52, reputedly built with atomic mole machines? Does Mel's Hole really exist...the supposed bottomless pit near Area 52? Did androids really escape from Microsoft Labs in Redmond? Would you recognize one if it was sitting on a bus next to you...or driving the bus..or giving you a speeding ticket? Are you brainwashed to believe you have never been brainwashed?
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Jul 29 2007, 03:57 PM
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One thing is certian; the closer one is to telling the truth to the masses, the more they will be discredited. I saw quite a few Lazar vids, and he's always struck me as rather sincere. Plus a lot of what he talks about is corroborated by others.
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Jul 30 2007, 06:21 AM
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even his name sounds like a pseudonym.
Lazar / Laser. ...and yes the military is just corny enough to do it. |
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Jul 30 2007, 11:52 AM
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Many of you are going to fall over, but I find him to be credible. Yep, you heard it first, Sam is collapsing on this one. I have heard, read, Bob Lazar's accounts, and I genuinely believe that he believes what he saw. I am not sure that it was alien in nature, but it was something outside the realm of his understanding.
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Jul 30 2007, 03:38 PM
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thats why i say disinformation. he may have been shown whatever in order to create a media buzz. knowing that he'd blow a whistle eventually.
like ror' says maybe unwittingly, or as samurai pointed out, beyond his comprehension. where is he now anyway? not a word since then. |
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Jul 30 2007, 09:47 PM
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Aba posts: Where is he (Lazar) now anyway?
He’s selling scientific supplies over the internet. His company's name is United Nuclear… ~rore -------------------- Peace&Love~rore
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Jul 31 2007, 04:32 PM
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oh... well... imagine that.
how... mundane. |
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