Now, most would agree that Roswell is the Mecca of Alien/UFO incidents, but what do you think of kecksburgh and rendlesham? I've practically studied all of these, and while Kecksburgh is probably not the most significant, it has a pretty cool and famous (I believe he was)Jazz player to back up the weird markings on the side of the craft that was recovered by the military; unless he just didn't know what Russian symbols looked like - because that's what the military disclosed - that it was a Russian satellite. I like this one, because I lived about two miles from Kecksburgh, drove through the area, but never went to the woods where it crashed.

A few things to mention about this, I don't know how many of you saw the sci-fi channel documentary on it, but two college kids snuck up behind this army transport truck and looked down into the woods and through moon and flashlights, they could see "at least a hundred" soldiers walking into the crash site with rifles. Not long after, they heard "a scream that no human could make," and sounded like nothing they had ever heard before. I thought this was pretty interesting.

Rendlesham was interesting because it had military officials disclosing information on the encounter with the UFO, the pretty horrible lighthouse cover-up, and the nuclear warhead incident where the ufo shot a laser down and disarmed the nukes.

Roswell... The first known crash and widely-known encounter for that matter... Weather balloon? I don't know...the paper that the [captain? I forget] commander held and was enhanced was pretty interesting - noting the words disks and bodies. What military letter/orders/debrief would use the word bodies for dummies?


(please note, it's always in question, so I will - to save time leave out words such as "apparently", or "supposedly", from now on).

Dear Look2theSky91,

Welcome to the Alien-UFO forum! I hope you find what you're looking for. I have read your 8 posts and you seem to be a very intelligent, inquisitive and responsible person for being only 16 years old.

I agree with everything you have written thus far. There is only one statement of yours I could not confirm. That is the one about the Rendlesham forest incident at the Bentwaters military base in England. During my in-depth research into the incident I could find no military report of any UFO beam of light disabling any nuclear devices. The investigating officer and his men did report a pencil sized beam of light that the overhead craft shot at the ground near their feet but nothing else in the report that I am aware of. The detailed contents of the investigation and subsequent report can be found here:

http://www.crowdedskies.com/rendlesham_forest.htm

That is not to say, however, that UFO's have never been credited with turning off nuclear missiles. The most notable case was featured on the 'Sightings' program about two commanders of adjacent underground nuclear missile silo bases who both reported a large glowing UFO over their base and then the systematic shutting down of each of their missiles. This is noteworthy as these silo bases have no 'off' switch even if they wanted to shut them down themselves.

Twenty years later, a Freedom of Information request for the release of these reports was made public. For the first time the two base commanders learned of each other and their nearly identical incidents. The Air Force released the documents and stated everything in the reports was true except, of course, the reports of the 'saucers'.

Another 'Sightings' program gave the report of a military observer, whose job it was to film the launching of the militarys' fastest missile to date. He did as he was instructed and then was called into a meeting several days later. He was shown the footage he shot where he observed, for the first time, the flying missile being circled by a UFO which shot several beams of light at it after which it immediately began to fall to the ground, short of its target. The man claims the military then swore him to secrecy. The Military, of course, denies this report.

Finally there is the incident from the FOX program 'The Russian KGB Files on UFOs' hosted by Roger Moore (James Bond actor). During that program they interviewed Russian Officials who reported that one of their Nuclear silos had reported a large Saucer over the base and then one of their nuclear missiles began to countdown to launch! There was nothing they could do to stop it!

Thankfully it stopped or we probably wouldn't be here talking about it. The Kremlin had the base dismantled and checked every piece of electronic equipment but could find nothing wrong. That silo, like Bentwaters was eventually shut down and abandoned'.

What these reports indicate to me is that our military, at least at the highest levels, are aware of the UFOs' abilities to launch, prevent launch and redirect launched nuclear missiles. Perhaps this is why we haven't attempted any nuclear attacks in the world, our military knows better! How embarrassing would it be to have one of our own nuclear missiles fall on ourselves? Talk about instant Karma!

As for Kecksburg, I also heard the report of the mysterious scream but from another source, someone closer to the scene. He reported faintly seeing a small alien looking form scurrying to flee the area and the scream he believes he heard was its' untimely death at the hands of the soldiers. This military mentality sounds similar to the Roswell incident where one of the soldiers allegedly had no qualms about striking his rifle butt into the head of one of the aliens in an attempt to get it to release the box it was clutching to its chest.

It is a pleasure to find another like-minded person on this forum. Hope you stay for awhile. I'm sure there is much I can learn from you.
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Strange thing is - Whilst Roswell and Rendlesham grab the headlines I place less voracity in them than I do Kecksburg.

Roswell and Rendlesham (and yes I acknowledge there are odd twists and turns and things which need 'clearing up') really didn't 'take off' until a couple of years AFTER the events (Once the Ufology buffs got to working on them) - Kecksburg however was 'aliens' fron the get go and I've always been impressed with the testimony of eye wtinesses in Kecksburg (Less so with the other two).

All three COULD BE genuine alien visitations but for me the most impressive and worthy of investigation is Kecksburg.

Ben

SC RUSS,

Thank you for your compliments; I have always been fascinated with the concept of there being E.T.s, and (like with lightning comes thunder) UFO's. I'm a little unclear about my recollection of the Sci-Fi channel's documentary on Rendlesham, but I have a distinct memory of them associating the laser with the nuclear warheads. Perhaps they were just brainstorming possabilities, and nothing of that sort did happen. I'd like to watch that show again if it ever came on.

I believe I've watched those shows as well, about the two missile silos in the U.S., as well as the Russian one. I thought the one testimony about the test missile being tampered with was incredibly interesting stuff. I heard of a 2012 prophocey, stating that the U.S. will go to war with another country(plural?), and nuclear weapons will be fired and the aliens will intervene to stop it all; which I'd be greatful for =]. I also heard that a U.S. General came forward in an interview stating that there are E.T.'s and the U.S. Govt are aware of them, but instead of making these technologically advanced beings mad and destroy us, let them abduct people and experiment; rather than exterminate.

What do you think about the USO/UFO base off the coast of San Francisco? As far as I know, there is no airforce base in that direct area - I believe there is one in L.A., though. There have been a lot of witnesses seeing things pop up from under the water and take off into the sky, and some sailors seeing bright lights under the water's surface. While we're on the subject - Do you think there's a possability that E.T.s are connected to Atlantis? I always thought the ancient American civilizations were possibly tied with E.T.s, specifically the Maya. Then you have got the Egyptians in Africa.

I remember watching a show about a body these archaeologists discovered in a tomb/temple. I believe it was some pyramid, I forget which civilization the pyramid belonged to, though. Anyway, they reconstructed the skull with the aid of computers, and it turned out to be a grey. Now, I forgot all about this for a while, and then went looking for this information again, and could not find anything but 'The Star Child,' which I'm not sure is even the same thing; but I thought it was interesting as well, what do you think? Fake or...?

Also, I recall watching a show about these weird Whirlpools on the surface of the water, left behind a UFO in Australia. I'm pretty sure there are pictures.

What I find interesting are the Pheonix Lights.

I encourage you, if you haven't already done to watch these two videos:

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBtVOhAl2ks (pheonix lights +)

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqizeMUn3_c&NR=1 (Ancient Civs)

The one thing that I find so interesting about Roswell, is the fact that the commander in charge at the time, on his death bed - came forward and told his wife that the Roswell E.T. crash was true.

There is a twist in the Kecksburg mystery I forgot to mention... Let's say the probe/satellite was of Russian origin, and the Jazz player who glimpsed the craft under the tarp on the flatbed truck as it drove by, just did not realize they were Russian symbols at the time. But then, what explains the screaming (Which I'm intrigued in your knowledge of someone hearing it closer to the scene)? If the people who said they heard 'screaming not humanly possible,' were lying, then we still have the Jazz player, as well as the photagrapher who was 'killed in a car accident,' that saw parts of the craft and was closer to the scene (in the woods). Kecksburg is a tough one to prove that it wasn't a UFO crash.

Again thanks for the greetings; I look forward to discussing these topics with all of you, and am sure we can all benefit from the information being passed to each other here =).


[note:] SC Russ,Sorry I have not been able to reply to your other posts, yet... I've read them, and they're awesome! However, it takes me a little while to figure out exactly how I want to describe what I want to say. Alas, I have to do a timed essay on Federalism, so I better get studying!

did you all know that Walter Haut the man who released the original press release about Roswell and then was forced to recant it signed an affidavit at his deathbed admitting that the ufo was in fact alien and that he saw the alien bodies. The entire transcript was featured in UFO magazine a couple issues ago.

Many witness describe the object as acorn shaped. The Kosmos 96 Soyuz look very much like a acorn.


The Kosmos 96 did come down over Canada on that same evening. The behavior of NASA and the military is very similar to Operation Moon Dust mission.

Unlike the other 2, there is a logical explanation to this one.

Rohn

The interesting thing about Kecksberg was the military presence. Something did fall to earth in the woods that evening and the military mobilized fast to go get it and throw up a cordon around their efforts.

Yes, they could have been recovering a satellite. But, the thing is, we can't know now because yes, they were very quiet about it. And now, the real scoop is pretty well lost in the mists of time. Many of the people there that night are not alive now.

When loooking into Kecksberg, I personally advise everyone to disregard words from Clifford Stone, whom I think is a hoaxter. Here's a piece about Stone from the blogspot of Kevin Randle, a longtime UFOlogist for whom I have a lot of repsect:

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:UCmkPk...&gl=us&ie=UTF-8

Also, interesting to note Kecksberg, Dec. 9, 1965 came one month to the day after the great New York/ Northeast Nov. 9 power blackout of 1965. That was the time of a big UFO sighting wave in the US.

There is also much "Kecksberg" in the UFO writings/searches about Project Moon Dust, the storied military program which the US put together for "saucer recovery" during the 1965 sighting wave. The story is, they wanted to be ready to retrieve an "alien mystery machine" if one crashed in America. That astonishing fact helps underscore something UFO studies has long held to be significant and true...that the military was uncomfortable with the reality of UFOs and very, very interested in them back in those days.

There is some rumor/evidence that for Kecksberg, the Air Force, or whomever, immediately activated Moondust procedures.

Now again, many whom I believe to be hoaxters, such as Stone, the kind who take a UFO story and then years later, graft their own "I was there" lie onto it, there is a lot of "I knew it was Moondust" hoaxing attached to Kecksberg.

But something which left a very remarkable vapor trail on its descent did flop in the woods at Keckaberg that night.

Again, I have to recommend one of my favorite, dependable UFOlogists, Kevin Randle and I recommend his Avon book "Project Moon Dust", 1998 for good, decent Kecksberg stuff.

Project Moon Dust not only involves recovery crashed UFOs but also include recovery of any foreign space debris such as crashed satellites, rocket boosters. The presence of NASA and the military does not necessarily indicates that they were recovering a crashed UFO. They could very well be recovering the remains of Kosmos 96.

Rohn

um after watching this doco on friday night on the history channel i thought this one should rank just as high cause of the witnesses alone
http://www.ufocasebook.com/1993cosfordshawbury.html

Dear LooktheSky91,

You're welcome. I don't know if you had time to look at the link I posted for the Rendlesham incident. I like that particular link because it details the painstaking effort Colonel Halt spent in scientifically documenting every aspect of his on site investigation as it was being conducted. I thought the decisions he made and the orders he gave his men were outstanding. You also get to see his actual 'Official' report which his superiors, in effect, ignored.

I would think if what you describe happened there would have been a bigger 'buzz' about it from the several TV programs I taped concerning it. Incidentally, if you would like a copy of anything I have described in my posts in the form of a free home made DVD, you will have to Private Message me a mailing address in order for me to send it to you.

I have not specifically investigated the reports of a USO/UFO base off the coast of San Francisco. There seems to be so many reports of these from around the world that it could safely be theorized that the UFOs safest haven from detection would be in these locales.

I have a copy of John Keel's book 'Our Haunted Planet' in which he describes many such incidents. One in particular stands out in my mind. It comes from a Naval report of their sonar discovering, while conducting naval exercises, something twice as large, traveling at twice the depth and twice the speed of anything we know of. There are other similar reports.

As for the UFO connection with Atlantis...I am of the belief that UFO's have always been with us, perhaps even responsible for the current genetic makeup of modern man from primates. One of the curious enigmas of history, and there are many, is the existence of the Piri Reis maps, of which these are the most famous, but there are others. It's too detailed to go into right now so I'll leave that for a later discussion.

Your other areas of concern can be researched on this site with the aid of the 'Search' button. Almost any incident you can recall has been addressed on this site. We have many excellent and diligent people here who have spent much time researching their subject and providing the appropriate links to help corroborate what they say.

You don't have to respond to my other posts. You have many pressing responsibilities, I'm sure, and should continue to prioritize them. Personally, I limit myself to 1 or 2 hours a day on the Internet so I can continue to maintain a balanced lifestyle.
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I am curious, what is the connection between UFOs and Atlantis?

Rohn

I like rendlesham the most, a case involving a nato base i believe. Even maraget thatcher's comment creeps me out that she said to georgina bruni.

Is there any good sites or threads related to Kecksburg, don't know much about that one Ben? How are u BTW?

Although these three incidents are regarded as highly significant there are two more incidents that occured here in the U.K. The first incident involved a UFO that crashed near Penkridge, Staffordshire in February 1964.
The second incident involved a UFO that crashed near Llandrillo, North Wales on the 23rd. January 1974. In both cases the crashed UFO's were removed by the Military (along with three bodies from the Penkridge crash) and taken to, it is suspected, Porton Down Scientific Research Establishment.
Such is the importance of these two incidents that the Government/Military/Security Agencies have spread so much information and issued numerous and various denials concerning the incidents.
To read about both incidents go to;
http://destinationspace.net/ufo/govdocs/chaseufo.asp &
http://www.ufocasebook.com/wales1974.html

From here you can do further research etc.

Hi CD - I'm good thanks Hope you are too.

There's a damn good thread on Kecksburg here at AU - I'll see if I can track it down and post the link here....

Ben

cheers ben

Interesting, I didnt know about these, but have been told before that there is an underground alien/private company base in staffordshire, dont know if its true, will look these up now, cheers JV

That wales ones good, but cant find any evidence on the internet, of the "nurse" who was called and was asked to leave!

Could only find two reports of the penkridge crash, (your link doesnt work) and one of them, was your post on another site, the other site claimed it was a ufo "dog Fight"! the chevron shaped ship crashing in penkridge and a 100ft disk crashing in Germany beofre being dismantled at a usa air base in germany!

Do u have any other links to it?

Ben u found the Kecksburgh link?

Dear Rohnds,

To answer your question poses the problem of leading this thread off the topic. In fairness to everyone involved I will try to be brief in answering your question.

I discovered the Atlantis/UFO connection from my study of W. Raymond Drake's book 'Gods and Spacemen in the Ancient East.' He also wrote a companion work 'Gods and Spacemen in the Ancient West.' I highly recommend the reading of these two volumes.

On page 113 he writes: "Atlantis was mentioned in the 'Book of Dzyan' written originally in Senzar, later translated into Chinese, Tibetan and Sanskrit."..."The Sacred books of Dzyan teach that the first men on Earth were the progeny of the Celestial Men"..."These most ancient records are said to be the source of the sacred volumes of China, India, Egypt and Israel; traditions says the text in the secret sacerdotal tongue called Senzar was dictated by Divine Beings, presumably Space Men, to the Atlanteans."

The text speaks of "Kings of Light" sitting on "Celestial thrones" He continues: "We today may consider 'The Kings of Light' be be Advanced Beings from other planets and the 'celestial thrones' to be Spaceships."

There is much more information on this subject available when you Google search 'Book of Dzyan'. You can start with this link if you like:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/DP5/dzyan.htm

Of course, the validity of all such information is subject to question and doubt as are the writings of Plato himself on the subject of the existence of Atlantis.
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chrisdave1, Hi. The nurses name was Pat Evans and she was a District Nurse. She was actually accompanied by her two teenage daughters as she was unable to find anyone to "sit" with them whilst she was gone.
The Penkridge crash site was observed by a local man, Harold South, who was later visited at home by the Police. He was taken to Bloxwich Police Station for questioning and his film and camera, he took pictures of the crashed UFO, were confiscated never to be seen again. This case was investigated, and confirmed to be true, by; Nick Redfern and Irene Bott, a member of the Staffordshire UFO Group.
Hope this information is of help to you.