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Oct 4 2007, 03:52 PM
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How this 12inch miracle tube could halve heating bills
Amazing British invention creates MORE energy than you put into it - and could soon be warming your home It sounds too good to be true - not to mention the fact that it violates almost every known law of physics. But British scientists claim they have invented a revolutionary device that seems to 'create' energy from virtually nothing. Their so-called thermal energy cell could soon be fitted into ordinary homes, halving domestic heating bills and making a major contribution towards cutting carbon emissions.
Even the makers of the device are at a loss to explain exactly how it works - but sceptical independent scientists carried out their own tests and discovered that the 12in x 2in tube really does produce far more heat energy than the electrical energy put in. The device seems to break the fundamental physical law that energy cannot be created from nothing - but researchers believe it taps into a previously unrecognised source of energy, stored at a sub-atomic level within the hydrogen atoms in water.
The system - developed by scientists at a firm called Ecowatts in a nondescript laboratory on an industrial estate at Lancing, West Sussex - involves passing an electrical current through a mixture of water, potassium carbonate (otherwise known as potash) and a secret liquid catalyst, based on chrome. This creates a reaction that releases an incredible amount of energy compared to that put in. If the reaction takes place in a unit surrounded by water, the liquid heats up, which could form the basis for a household heating system. If the technology can be developed on a domestic scale, it means consumers will need much less energy for heating and hot water - creating smaller bills and fewer greenhouse gases. Jim Lyons, of the University of York, independently evaluated the system. He said: 'Let's be honest, people are generally pretty sceptical about this kind of thing. Our team was happy to take on the evaluation, even if to prove it didn't work. 'But this is a very efficient replacement for the traditional immersion heater. We have examined this interesting technology and when we got the rig operating, we were getting 150 to 200 per cent more energy out than we put in, without trying too hard. http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/a...in_page_id=1965 Is a nice invention but i use solar power to heat the water :surrender |
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Oct 4 2007, 04:13 PM
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The claim violates the second law of thermodynamics. Most likely this is a scam.
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Oct 4 2007, 05:10 PM
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Humans wrote the laws.... We cannot have got them perfect, we've never got anything perfect, so to dismiss all possibility that something that violates those laws is a little illogical.
But; I don't trust it... often if the makers of something call it amazing, it is fake. And by their own admittance don't know how it works.... You don't often create a massive revolutionary specie of technology and release it before you find out how it works. |
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Oct 4 2007, 05:24 PM
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I said 'most likely'. There has been no documented violation of the second law of thermodynamics, so that leads one to think it improbable that they have succeeded in this case. It is silly that they say that it produces more energy than is put into it, and yet it requires mains electricity for operation. If it works as claimed then it can power itself. What's more, it should be able to power other things.
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Oct 5 2007, 05:16 AM
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Yeah, strange how if they are telling the truth, they limited them self to house heating systems.... when possibly. an invention like that would be able to power the entire world. (Long as we didn' run out of the ingredients to make one.)
They seems real simple too.... If something like this would happen, It is almost certain it would take a team of very intelligent people to make the actual breakthrough. |
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Oct 5 2007, 07:58 AM
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It could possibly be measurement error that is causing them claim that it produces 2.5-3 times as much energy as is put into it.
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Oct 5 2007, 06:05 PM
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(Andrew;331962) Most likely this is a scam.
I think that's a bit of an understatement. |
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Oct 5 2007, 07:24 PM
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Probably very easy to build.,if this thing go to market will appear many clons at cheaper prices.:cry:
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Oct 5 2007, 09:22 PM
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In the very least every day some 'group of scientists' claim that they have made over unity devices that have been 'tested by independent scientists'. And all have been proved false. You simply cannot create more energy than you put in.
Also notice the 'secret catalyst' part, that means that it is unpublished and unverified. |
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Oct 6 2007, 12:59 AM
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I got curious and looked on the company's website, and they don't claim to have found a way to overcome conservation of energy.
They just say their heating system is "more efficient than conventional". So I'm thinking it's some kind of cheezy marketing thing for some kind of crap product. Honestly, if someone figured out how to do that, they'd be doing a lot more than selling home heating systems. It would be big, big, big news. Like, on the front page of everything type big. |
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Oct 21 2007, 02:56 PM
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cant a tesla coil create more energy then it is given?
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Oct 21 2007, 03:16 PM
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(ALIENX-PERT;333765) cant a tesla coil create more energy then it is given? No, a tesla coil does not create more energy than is put into it. It is impossible for any device to create more energy than is put into it because that would violate conservation of energy. |
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Oct 22 2007, 04:29 PM
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im just curious about what the secret liquid catalyst is..
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Oct 22 2007, 04:33 PM
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If they were ever to put the device on sale then it would be possible to determine what the "secret" ingredient is by a chemical analysis of the contents.
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Oct 24 2007, 02:12 AM
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The second law of thermodynamics is an earthling invention.
As far as we are concerned, greater output from lesser input works.
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Oct 24 2007, 01:35 PM
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The wording of the law of course is, but the law itself has stood up to observation without fail.
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Oct 24 2007, 05:34 PM
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(Xchel;334073) The second law of thermodynamics is an earthling invention.
As far as we are concerned, greater output from lesser input works. Describe some apparatus that would demonstrate this concept. |
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Oct 29 2007, 05:14 PM
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earthling...hahaha....
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Oct 30 2007, 10:51 AM
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The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is not a human invention. The describing WORDS may be, but the function of reality is not. Its one of the rules of existence and no known exception has ever been found.
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