Are spirit and opportunity on MArs? or what is happening
Who clean it?:cry: :surrender :alien:
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Update - Static Electricity Is NOT Cleaning Rover's Panels
8-27-7

It has been said that you get the most flack when you're right over target - and apparently my original report about a fake Mars rover mission has struck a nerve somewhere. This update to my original report was intercepted and bounced back to me apparently by the government several times today while trying to send the following update to Jeff Rense.

Here is the bounce message I received numerous time when trying to email Jeff. Regular test messages were not returned.

The following message to <_____ @mindspring.com> was undeliverable. The reason for the problem: 5.x.0 - Message bounced by administrator

My internet provider, Frontier cannot find the reason for this happening nor can they find the reason for it. I told the ISP representative that this probably happening at one of the internet NSA router sites. I was assured they would look into it but I won't be holding my breath for answers. It is clear from the tests performed that the following update is HOT, and the content causes it to be bounced.

With that said, here is the update:

Update for solar cell feature piece:

To address the comments of several readers I'd like to add the following about static electricity. It gets a bit technical but this is necessary. Static was actually one of my first thoughts. It wasn't really very thrilling to discover this information about the solar panel issue, and I'd rather discount it if possible. Then I looked at the odd dust distribution and ruled static out. Yes, it is true that solar panels have insulating coatings that *might* create some static from a dry wind blowing over them. (We haven't yet heard the official statement about humidity on Mars yet, which would have to be extremely low for this to happen. With the presence of water on Mars often just below the surface, one must question just how low the humidity on Mars really is.) However, mysterious periodic cleaning of rover solar panels has been seem in previous NASA images. Please visit my website www.bookonmars.info , click on the "Radio Show Images" button on the left side, then scroll down to the solar panel images. Though not as good as the newer color images, I show two images taken just 7 minutes apart. One where one panel is dusty and dirty, and another one which is cleaned.

What tends to rule static out is this: We see a thin coating of red dust on metal surfaces attached to clean hinge mechanisms. Yet the hinge mechanism doesn't have a speck of dust on it? Certainly after more than THREE YEARS some dust would be present on these hinges, and visible down in the deep recesses of them. It's also quite likely that these hinges are not simple bare metal, but are anodized (more on that later.) On the outside of the cell wiriing between panels along the hinge line of adjacent panels, we don't see a heavy layer of dust present there either. We also clearly see dirty solar cells near other colar cells which are very clean. Static charges are affected by various geometries as some readers have pointed out. But even wiring which is separated from metal doesn't show any heavy dust accumulation. How can that be?

As for wiring - NASA loves Teflon coated wiring. After all, it's still the best insulation available and it's quite damage resistant. White is the native color of Teflon and also Teflon insulated wire, even though it is available from suppliers in various colors. I know this because I've used it in the past for various aerospace projects. It also quickly dulls tool edges such as wire-strippers, too. Teflon has strong static properties (triboelectric effects) and it is a great insulator. Yet much of the insulated white wiring has no dust on it! Only wiring packed around dirty solar cells is coated with dust.

NASA also has apparently a fascination with the solar cells - DOZENS of images were taken of the solar panels from various angles, instead of imaging the ground for gathering science. Why?

ANODIZED ALUMINUM

As for metal surfaces and static, anodized aluminum is quite commonly used in both aircraft and spacecraft. Anodized metal is formed by a chemical coating made in a tank of process chemicals, which oxidizes the outer surface of the metal and changes it's color. These coatings can be made in black, green and clear and are scratch resistant. For example, Boeing airplanes are strange, almost lime-green inside and out in their natural, unpainted state as a result of anodizing. Anodizing is important, as it prevents surface oxidation and helps paint adhesion. It appears that JPL used black as their color for the solar cell mounting plates. Black is a good color for this. Black anodized aluminum both absorbs heat (far-infrared radiation) and also radiates it. Black anodized aluminum heat-sinks are widely used in electronic systems as well. It is my understanding that there also exists a conductive anodized metal process. I doubt that JPL used that here because of the bare solar cell connections and the risk of having a short circuit.

Most anodized metal is also an excellent electrical insulator, similar to the clear coatings on solar cells. Yet we see great differences in these images with the amount of accumulation of dust and dirt on the metal solar cell backing plates, which are mounted side by side.

There is so much evidence here that doesn't add up to support the case for static electricity attracting dust.

A WORD ABOUT SOLAR CELLS

Solar cells become quite hot while operating. The heat comes from two sources: Absorption of almost all solar energy striking it (far- infrared energy) and heat from resistance heating as a result of the electric current passing through the cell. A solar cell has considerable internal electrical resistance and becomes quite warm when operating. Resistance heating is the same principle as the heating elements in an electric toaster, a filament in an incandescent light bulb or an electic stove element, except that solar cells will never become that hot. With solar cells the heating principle is still the same - resistance.

Solar cells used in the sun also require a heat-sink backing plate, and are also very brittle mechanically since they are actually a form of glass. The black anodized aluminum backing plates are quite rigid and protect the cells during liftoff on Earth and the rough, bouncing landing cycle of the rover. These plates and also have great thermal conductivity which removes excess heat for maximum lifetime of the solar cells.

LIMITED ROVER LIFETIME

When used outside in the sun, solar cells have a known lifetime during which the output from the cells slowly decreases to a point where the voltage and current becomes unusable. (Something to consider before you invest about $50K to cover your rooftop and power your home with them.) Solar cell failure will be the ultimate fate of both rovers, if the batteries, electronic and mechanical systems of the rovers continue to operate to reach that point. Fewer and fewer images will be sent to Earth, and each rover will be able to travel less distance each day. Eventually, both rovers will stop functioning altogether. One rover will probably outlast the other, which will be the result of various factors such as sun exposure and local temperatures. Internal batteries may fail before this point is reached. Each rover has a sleep cycle which is the period when the batteries are recharged. Solar panels do not generate enough power directly to power the motors.

Ted Twietmeyer

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Selective dust and dirt accumulation on a Mars rover tell an intriguing story. Using relatively recent NASA images, at least one of the two rovers on Mars are not transmitting images from Mars. Whether or not this has always been happening remains to be seen. The following photographic evidence clearly shows SOMETHING very, very strange is happening on Mars. Dust devils which have been photographed (supposedly) on Mars are thought to be responsible for cleaning solar panels. However, it stretches credibility to think that these broad swirling vortices of air (Martian air that is) which are several meters across could perform the selective cleaning we see in these images.

FIG. 1 - SOL 1229 - White arrow: low gain antenna shaft on Spirit Rover
Red Arrow: Low gain antenna mounting plate - CLEAN of all dirt as well as most surrounding solar cells.
Blue circles: Surrounding dirty solar cells
Blue arrow: Dust and dirt finds its way into the smallest places, in this example its packed in-between solar cell wiring.
http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/sol1b.jpg
FIG 2 - SOL1229 - Here is another amazing "selective cleaning" example. The white arrow points to a small area where something has apparently touched the panel, removing the thin layer of dust and exposing the metal underneath. Also visible is the hinge mechanism (red arrows) showing the hinge plates and actuator completely cleaned of dust. Also - there is evidence that the top hinge plate may have recently been attached to this dirty solar panel. Note the tool marks around the top edge of the hinge ears, and the disturbance of the dust around those ears. This is similar to the disturbed dust where the white arrow is.

The yellow arrow points to what may either be dust or rust on the drive shaft. Yet the solar cells are incredibly dirty?

Here we clearly see that the dust has not entered an EXPOSED mechanism. Red arrows point to small areas where it would be sure to penetrate. Even on Earth, it would require the use of a brush or compressed air to remove dust from tiny crevices like these. Yet on Mars these tiny spaces are CLEAN? How?



Complete report with more information and images here:
http://www.rense.com/general78/rsm.htm

You don't need to reproduce entire articles in forum posts. A link will suffice. I think this also belongs in the Conspiracy Theories section.

The name of the source is enough for me i'm affraid....

WTF is this shit

"Please click one of the Quick Reply icons in the posts above to activate Quick Reply."???


I have always been able to just post in the box and type out what i need and then hit the "submit reply" button. this is weird.:alien:

Hi Trog

I have mentioned this to Ron to but didnt get a response..

I thought the rovers/landers had anti-static metals where even dust wont keep a hold. Ive seen tests on earth where they threw dust in the air and as it settled it moved away from the lander, sort of an anti-magnetic field where anything is repulsed...

Have a look at the Viking lander photos and see if you ca find dust on there??

If im right and the metals wont attract dust then these devil dust storms that sometime cover two thirds of the entire planet of Mars would easily dis-place any light dust on the lander-which it is light dust not heavy particles, they are very fine dust particles that accumulate and yes a sudden dust devil could in reality easily dislodge any excess dust.

Write to NASA and ask how they keep the rovers/landers clean. Becasue teh rover is seen to have been dirty..on many missions

First, I don't see a yellow arrow.

I see dust all over this thing. it's pretty windy on Mars so some area's of the craft will be blown clean while pockets of instruments would collect dirt.

It would be pretty sad if we found out that we never really landed on Mars. I believe we not only landed but that NASA has hidden facts from us and even has has secret missions to other locations of MArs. They only pick these boring area's of the red planet to justify their budget for visiting the planet while other monies are used for more secretive missions.

I think the Military is afraid of the people losing trust in them if we ever found out that there is a higher power then our Military.

I don't think the Military should worry about this. I support strengthening our Military for security reasons but there seems to be a lot of other things going on. What's going to happen if America finds out about all the lying that has taken place for decades. People might demand that there be a restructuring of power in the US. All these coverups are just more destructive (IMO) then productive.