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Dec 24 2007, 12:29 AM
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In the year 2000, someone calling himself Time travel_1, (John Titor) Began posting on a forum about his life in 2036. Now this type of thing has been tried before by people but this guy was good. When questioned he tried to answer any and all questions asked of him. Including physics questions. he had many avid scientists going at him and although my knowledge of science can't match the conversations. I believe although being wrong in places, he well and truly held his own against the skeptics. His knowledge of science was much better than the average person, so needless to say, there were a great many people convinced he was the real deal. There still is. He posted lots of stuff, including many pictures of so called operations manuals, the time machine itself. Do i believe he was really a time traveler, no, not at all. But he was a hell of a hoaxer and in my opinion needs a pat on the back for pulling it off.
Iwill post some links to his stuff. It can be a bit of a long read, but it is worth a look, you have to persevere a bit as he chats online to just the average person, as well as some more scientific people. So you have to wade through a bit of stuff to get to the bits that might interest you. He only posted for a 4 month period, then disappeared, here is what I can find. Mostly from the one website but it is pretty faithful to the truth as I remember it. For me, the more i read about him, the more intriguing it gets. You know he is a hoaxer, bet gee you gotta read his stuff. He has a lot of people going. I suggest that you try if you can to take a bit of time, because it is a picture that is slowly built up, if you dismiss him in the first paragraph, you miss all the fun ![]() Here is a link to a site, it is good because it links to pictures of his time machine, and schematics etc. This person has gone to an extra ordinary amount of trouble. Just to remind you of the time line, he posted all this stuff in 2000/2001. I am not good enough with science to know how the time line of predictions about cern etc works out. Just remember he posted this stuff in 2000/2001 http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/TimeMachine.cfm October 2000 http://www.johntitor.co.uk/postingsoctnovdec.htm January 2001 http://www.johntitor.co.uk/postingsjan.htm February 2001 http://www.johntitor.co.uk/postingsfeb.htm March 2001 (this link is dead but it may come back online so i will post it) http://www.brainroom.co.uk/johntitor/postingsmarch.htm Extras http://www.johntitor.co.uk/postingsextras.htm My feeling is that he has to be part of the scientific community. I always thought it might be someone of great standing like Stephen Hawking or the likes. Anyway, have a read, see what you think. |
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Dec 24 2007, 12:29 AM
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Dec 24 2007, 12:37 AM
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![]() ((( Bring The Rain ))) ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,756 Joined: 18-June 06 From: Cambridgeshire England Member No.: 4,543 |
Ah excellent post my friend....John Titor the stuff of internet legend.....
-------------------- Nathanial "a_skeptic" Meade 1979-2007 RIP |
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Dec 24 2007, 06:06 AM
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To me, he was a person with a wonderful imagination. He definately kept alot of people wondering.I read some of his first chats he had in a chat room and I wasnt impressed with him being a time traveler, just like I said, some one with a wonderful imagination.
-------------------- Whoever said anything was possible, obviouly never tried slamming a revolving door.
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Dec 24 2007, 06:53 AM
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![]() Group: Super Moderators Posts: 5,403 Joined: 10-July 06 From: Wild Rose, Wisconsin Member No.: 4,643 |
I read the entire thing over a year ago.
Because he covered his bases well, when he was asked questions I am only 75% sure his story is a fake one. Time will easily tell on this one as he predicted things that is suppose to come to pass, such as his time travel in 2010. -------------------- QUEST FOR THE REAL TRUTH |
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Dec 25 2007, 01:29 AM
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the relevant thing about him now is the whole * democrats vs republic crumbling * which is really true today in todays congress.
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Dec 25 2007, 01:38 AM
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(SOUL-DRIFTER;341697) I read the entire thing over a year ago.
Because he covered his bases well, when he was asked questions I am only 75% sure his story is a fake one. Time will easily tell on this one as he predicted things that is suppose to come to pass, such as his time travel in 2010. However, if the 'all worlds' theory is true, it's possible we're not even ON the timeline from which he originally came/will come (if indeed he WAS/will be from the future).
I actually like the theory of alternate timelines. It fits with a concept I have of alternate dimensions and parallel universes. |
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Dec 25 2007, 03:08 AM
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I never actually believed he was from the future, I think the thing was that he was so good at what he did, even though I knew he was a fake, his posts are spooky if you don't have the background in science to refute it. He really was very good at it. Even when people in the know pulled him up on his mistakes, he was very convincing. I guess most people didn't really believed him, but he raised a certain level of doubt in the back of your mind. The thing for me was, It really was frustrating not knowing who he really was. I don't think I could remain silent, if i had pulled of a hoax like that, I would have to have stepped up to claim my victory sooner or later.
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Dec 25 2007, 07:14 AM
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(Dundee;341661) In the year 2000, someone calling himself Time travel_1, (John Titor) Began posting on a forum about his life in 2036. Now this type of thing has been tried before by people but this guy was good. When questioned he tried to answer any and all questions asked of him. Including physics questions. he had many avid scientists going at him and although my knowledge of science can't match the conversations. I believe although being wrong in places, he well and truly held his own against the skeptics. His knowledge of science was much better than the average person, so needless to say, there were a great many people convinced he was the real deal. There still is. He posted lots of stuff, including many pictures of so called operations manuals, the time machine itself. Do i believe he was really a time traveler, no, not at all. But he was a hell of a hoaxer and in my opinion needs a pat on the back for pulling it off.
Iwill post some links to his stuff. It can be a bit of a long read, but it is worth a look, you have to persevere a bit as he chats online to just the average person, as well as some more scientific people. So you have to wade through a bit of stuff to get to the bits that might interest you. He only posted for a 4 month period, then disappeared, here is what I can find. Mostly from the one website but it is pretty faithful to the truth as I remember it. For me, the more i read about him, the more intriguing it gets. You know he is a hoaxer, bet gee you gotta read his stuff. He has a lot of people going. I suggest that you try if you can to take a bit of time, because it is a picture that is slowly built up, if you dismiss him in the first paragraph, you miss all the fun
Here is a link to a site, it is good because it links to pictures of his time machine, and schematics etc. This person has gone to an extra ordinary amount of trouble. Just to remind you of the time line, he posted all this stuff in 2000/2001. I am not good enough with science to know how the time line of predictions about cern etc works out. Just remember he posted this stuff in 2000/2001 http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/TimeMachine.cfm October 2000 http://www.johntitor.co.uk/postingsoctnovdec.htm January 2001 http://www.johntitor.co.uk/postingsjan.htm February 2001 http://www.johntitor.co.uk/postingsfeb.htm March 2001 (this link is dead but it may come back online so i will post it) http://www.brainroom.co.uk/johntitor/postingsmarch.htm Extras http://www.johntitor.co.uk/postingsextras.htm My feeling is that he has to be part of the scientific community. I always thought it might be someone of great standing like Stephen Hawking or the likes. Anyway, have a read, see what you think. dundee....an excellent post |
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Dec 25 2007, 08:30 AM
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I have been trying to find an accurate copy of his postings. I can't seem to get one, there are many that say they are but they often leave out the question he has been asked, which is a bit silly as it helps with the context.
Those links have lots of missing bits, I used to have a full text copy of every post...maybe in 2002/2003, but they are long gone. So it is a bit of a bugger as the original accurate text is quite interesting, particularly when he gets himself out of trouble with the skeptics. It is very obvious that his predictions did not come true. But back then when we didn't know the future, it was a heap of fun I would love to know what that box is, I guess graphic design could be one of his talents and created from scratch, but it would be interesting to see if it is actually something real. Anyway, I guess we will never know, unless we get a death bed confession from someone. But then, there have been so many copy cats, who would beleive him
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Dec 25 2007, 09:32 AM
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I have always believed that travel to parallel dimensions is possible.
Perhaps one day we will get an undisputed genuine visitor from such who could answer those questions. -------------------- QUEST FOR THE REAL TRUTH |
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Dec 26 2007, 04:15 AM
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i think john titor may have been a real time traveler. we will see if hilary gets elected and invokes martial law resulting in a second civil war in 2008 like he predicted. i researched the thing a while back, and supposedly a few of his predictions had come true and he had some really obscure knowledge of old ibm computers that were weird. either way its a really interesting story.
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Dec 26 2007, 04:40 PM
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I dont think there was much risk of him being a real time traveler. Most of what he predicted has failed to come true, and the little bits that have were pretty broad, intuitive predictions anyway. But at the time, it seemed pretty real.
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Dec 27 2007, 04:10 AM
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![]() ((( Bring The Rain ))) ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,756 Joined: 18-June 06 From: Cambridgeshire England Member No.: 4,543 |
(Dundee;341986) I dont think there was much risk of him being a real time traveler. Most of what he predicted has failed to come true, and the little bits that have were pretty broad, intuitive predictions anyway. But at the time, it seemed pretty real.
I think we will allways look back at John Titor and think good story...
-------------------- Nathanial "a_skeptic" Meade 1979-2007 RIP |
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Dec 27 2007, 09:09 PM
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![]() Group: Super Moderators Posts: 5,403 Joined: 10-July 06 From: Wild Rose, Wisconsin Member No.: 4,643 |
(kirin-rex;341822) However, if the 'all worlds' theory is true, it's possible we're not even ON the timeline from which he originally came/will come
(if indeed he WAS/will be from the future).
I actually like the theory of alternate timelines. It fits with a concept I have of alternate dimensions and parallel universes. If he was genuine or not, he would have to be from an alternate timeline. We all know of the term paradox and the ripple effect...don't we? -------------------- QUEST FOR THE REAL TRUTH |
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Dec 30 2007, 05:18 PM
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I believe him, yes, I do. I'm only saying this because some of this stuff fits perfectly what I think will happen. Maybe if he wasn't a hoax, and really did time travel and we're on a different time-line than him, then maybe that's why his predictions were so vague. Then his reasoning... pure brilliance. Needing an old computer. Even if he is a hoax, it's a great story and stuff. Too bad he had to leave so soon.
I mean, if we're on a different time line, him predicting somethings could have possibly caused them to not happen, by influencing history. Of course, that creates paradoxes. It's like Prof. Farnsworth of Futurama said, "You can't go mucking about in time! It creates paradoxes!" All in all, only time will tell, isn't that the ironic part? Maybe in 2036 some of this will have happened. Maybe most of it, maybe none of it. Although I think some of it will happen by then. |
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Dec 30 2007, 06:31 PM
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![]() Group: Super Moderators Posts: 5,403 Joined: 10-July 06 From: Wild Rose, Wisconsin Member No.: 4,643 |
But he could not create paradox.
A traveller from a parallel universe is immune from that. Theoretically. -------------------- QUEST FOR THE REAL TRUTH |
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Dec 30 2007, 07:25 PM
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Group: Supporters Posts: 2,483 Joined: 29-April 07 Member No.: 5,722 |
I agree with Mr. E: Hoax or not, it was a good story.
I was working on a fictional story one time that involved parallel universes and time, and as a part of that, I was working on a model of the 'multiverse' concept. It's not scientific at all, and I only wrote for myself, but I'll post it here just for fun: I'll post in parts, but it's a little long. |
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Dec 30 2007, 07:27 PM
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Group: Supporters Posts: 2,483 Joined: 29-April 07 Member No.: 5,722 |
Introduction
Welcome to Dimensional Mechanics 101. In this course, we will introduce fundamental concepts of dimensional mechanics, discuss various aspects of the space-time continuum, and endeavor heartily to explain the unexplainable. At least that’s what we’ll be doing until we give up in despair and move on to more practical pursuits, like pizza and cable TV. All right. Basics first. If you really want to understand dimensional mechanics, then it’s vital that you first understand that you are completely wasting your time. Explaining dimensional mechanics is kind of like trying to explain the sky to someone who can’t see. No matter how creative you try to be, an upside-down salad bowl, a steamer and some ice cubes just aren’t going to get the point across. Give up now. It’s impossible. If it's any consolation, I don't understand it either. |
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Dec 30 2007, 07:28 PM
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Group: Supporters Posts: 2,483 Joined: 29-April 07 Member No.: 5,722 |
Paper Plates
Imagine a white paper plate on a table. Have you ever had one of those occasions where you had two paper plates stuck together, where you thought you had only one plate, but in reality, you actually had two? Imagine that the white paper plate on the table has another white paper plate stuck to it. There are two plates in the exact same place on the table, but yet they remain separate. Now imagine that you are a microscopic organism on the top of the upper plate. At that scale, you can’t see the other plate. It’s there, right there, but you can’t see it. You fall through a flaw in the upper plate, and suddenly you’re on the bottom plate. There are two paper plates, one pretty much like the other. They’re in the same position, the same location on the table, and at your scale, even though one plate is on top of the other, that upper plate might as well be in outer space, because you can’t even see it, it’s so far away. So now you’re on the bottom plate. There was a moment of disorientation, and now you’re on a white paper plate that is virtually identical to the one you were on before, except that at your scale, there are tiny differences. Nothing you can quite put your finger on, but they’re there. Stop for a second, and now imagine that instead of two paper plates, there are an infinite number of plates, a variety pack of plates. They’re all pretty much the same. They all come from the same factory and the same machines and the same people. However, they’re not exactly the same. There are differences. Now because of the exponential nature of variables in the production of, say, paper plates, the paper plates immediately adjacent to your original plate will share the most qualities with your plate, but as you travel from plate to plate, the further you go from your home plate, so to speak, the more the plates will begin to vary from your own. Go far enough through the variety pack, and soon enough, you’re no longer on the white plates. Suddenly you’re on a red plate or even a green plate. Go far enough, and the plate colors get really strange. Now, imagine that the infinite pile of plates is suspended in time and space, and the plates form a ring. Although there are an infinite number of plates, they occupy a paradoxically finite structure. Imagine it as a kind of doughnut. If you travel far enough in one direction, you will eventually return to your point of origin. Now imagine that the paper plates are not paper plates at all, but dimensions: universe after universe, all stacked together, one on top of another. |
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Dec 30 2007, 07:29 PM
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Group: Supporters Posts: 2,483 Joined: 29-April 07 Member No.: 5,722 |
Radio Waves, Spiral Notebooks, Springs and Swiss Cheese
Think of alternate dimensions like stations on a radio dial, an AM radio dial. Imagine an infinite number of stations, crowding the airwaves, overlapping and blending into white noise. Each universe broadcasts on a specific frequency. Each person is like a radio, tuning in that frequency. You’re here, now, because this is the frequency you’ve tuned into. However, what if you could change the frequency and tune into a different station? Think of alternate dimensions like points on a line, or better yet, cross-sections of a line. Imagine an infinite number of microscopic paper plates all pressed together into a solid wire of paper plates. The line is not straight however. It’s a spiral, like the spring torn from a spiral notebook, suspended in a timeless void. Imagine that the core of the spiral is filled with, say, Swiss cheese. Now imagine that the beginning and the end of the spring are fused into a doughnut. There’s no beginning, no end, just an endless spiral that loops back on itself. The hole of the doughnut is also filled with Swiss cheese. Each of the paper plates in the spiral overlaps another, and the plates are so thin and so light, that the lines between the plates are blurred. Likewise, there are flaws throughout the plates. In addition, the plates operate like radio stations, broadcasting on a frequency that estimates the location of the plate along the spiral. As people fall through flaws in the plates, or tune in different frequencies, they move. Now, imagine for a moment that you don't have to travel the spiral of paper plates to tune in to the one you want. Imagine if you can cross the doughnut hole, the doughnut hole filled with swiss cheese, and access a plate on the far side on the loop. In other words: imagine that there are shortcuts through the infinity of plates. Now, here, it is important to understand that the dimensional spectrum is not a loop. It has no shape. The loop is symbolic of the situation through which you can move through the dimensional spectrum to arrive at your point of origin. Yes, it makes no sense. Neither does the sky. I warned you! |
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