With so much denial and subterfuge, how can we possibly get to the bottom or anything? The real truths we seek are in the hands of those who deny that it even exist.

Example....USAF response to inquiries on UFOs responds that "since the closure of Project Blue Book in 1974, the USAF has no interest in, and does not study, the subject" (Victorian) Yet, the USAF manual states:
"Report the following specific sightings:
Hostile or unidentified aircraft which appears directed against the United States, Canada, or their forces.
Missiles
Unidentified Flying Objects
Hostile Flying Objects
Hostile or Unidentified military surface missiles or sub-marines."

North American Aerospace Defense Command, NORAD, recieves all intelligence concering UFOs (which it terms UTR [unknown track report]). Futhermore, NORAD has stated the 20% of UTR remain unidentified. Such investigations into UTR/UFOs are made by the US Space Command under NORAD authority. Results of said investigations can not be obtained because NORAD does not fall under the Freedom of Infromation Act.

So, the US Military requires all such sightings of UFO be related to NORAD. NORAD confirms or denies and the results are kept classified under NORAD. At no time are results made known to the public because NORAD does not fall under the Freedom of Information Act. Government denies investigation into UFO, yet it confirms the jurisdiction of NORAD over such sightings and such investigations are classified as secret. What? How can it deny investigation and yet at the same time confim the existence of a government enitiy which investigates the same? And said enitity, NORAD, states that 20% of all UFO sightings under their investigative authority remains UNIDENTIFIED. Yet, it will not release information pertaining to such? It confirms, therefore, the existence of UFOs but will not confirm if said UFOs are ET in origin. But here is another blurring of the truth. If said UFOs are man-made then there is foreign craft flying in restricted US air space. Such craft would be easily identifiable. Likewise, said craft would be national security threat and shot down. Yet, none of this seems to be implied concerning the UFOs investigated by NORAD.

And there is lie covering lie covering lie. Why, if not for the fact that these UFOs are something that the Government does not want known. As for top secret military craft, why would NORAD investigate its own crafts?

Information obtained from http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/l32ufos.htm#N_1_

TUTU I hate to sound like the ultimate cynic. But I guess I am. When it comes to Western Governments I believe 'Nothing' they say on any matter. In fact as I explaineD in another thread society is now such a complex entity that when a policy is made by a government they cannot actually see what the outcome of it will be. They know what they want it to be but the intentions are never matched by the outcomes. It is therefore easier for govts to say little or nothing about anything. Policy is a difficult thing to write and I'm not blaming the Govts entirely it is simply that we have such a complex world that if you say the wrong thing in the wrong document then the coNsequences can be far reaching. If they can get away with saying nothing then they will.

I could expound further but I won't for fear of boring you. LOL

Ben

Ben, I get ya. What is so d**m frustrating is that they are telling outright lies that contradict the other lies that they've told and fully expect us to be dumb enough to believe. Sad thing is that most of the general public does believe.

Thing is....if they tell the truth now...it could implicate hundreds if not thousands of Government workers, service people, Presidents and Vice Presidents. The mistake they probably made was telling a lie in the first place and it has now gotten so out of control that the truth can never be reached without a lot of people going to jail.

You are absolutely correct they compound lies, but they have to sometimes to save the ass of a previous administration, not even their own. Because that last administration will have info on the one before that and so on and so on.

Ben

to be honest, judging by the amount of debunkers (not to be confused with honest skeptics) and closed minded people, i honestly dont think humanity os ready for a full on truth. Possibly a policy of gradual integration (which may be going on now with sci-fi movies and series).

Looking around, i see so many who are too scared to think outside their protective box, to the extent they verbally attack anything anybody says, and then attack the person themself verbally. I cant see any other reason than fear that they want the world to conform to their image of the box. My brother is the same, and i cannot think of how he would react to anything out of his world view.

Is humanity ready for the full truth? i dont think so
gradual truth? maybe.
Will humanity ever be ready for the full truth? i dont think so, too many weak minds.

Sorry Draxo I don't wanna shift the emphasis of the thread but what we are witnessing is the result of post modernism and the society of the individual. We used to build our consciousness together but now it's fragmented - you can say what you like, Dress the way you like, think what you like, be what you like and so on and so on and I am not for one moment criticising this...more power to the individual I say...but the result is that people's view of social and world reality is very personalised and like you say ...you rattle someone enough that they feel like they could fall out of their very own box then they're gonna fight back...big time.
'Tis a sign of the times.

Ben

Obfuscation: Direct the publics attention on the right hand, so no one is watching what the left hand is doing.

For me, everything major that happens in our nation, dealing with our government, I can't help but ask myself, "So what's really going on?"

I know I am not the only with that question. The level of mistrust of government in this country today is amazing. New laws, tax laws, health care laws, work and money issues. All of the everyday things are, in themselves, a huge, intentional, form of distraction. People are running around everywhich way tending to the mounting problems of everyday life and stress. There is hardly enough time in that same day for ones self, let alone to take a deeper look at the way things are really ran or hidden from the public's eyes.

Case in point: How many of you stressed over this years tax season? Have you seen all the new tax laws?
From January 25th to April 15 most of America's attention were on 2 things: taxes, and the war.
If you were to take away those 2 things, what do you think you would have seen, or figured out?

Greeneyes I take your point. But I must emphasise that no Western Government is in a situation now where it can sit down and come up with a tax policy (Or any other policy for that matter) like say "Let's add 1% to the base rate" and no one knows what it will actually do. The world is too complex. So when policy is made they make it as clear as they can, then they implement it and sit back and hold their breaths. Because they have no idea how the objectives will match the outcome. The best they can hope for is that a little bit of tweaking here or there will iron out the difficulties but gone are the days of policy makers actually knowing what effect their policies wil have. The world has become too complex.

Ben

[QUOTE=Ben]The best they can hope for is that a little bit of tweaking here or there will iron out the difficulties but gone are the days of policy makers actually knowing what effect their policies wil have. The world has become too complex.


Someone told me that when Clinton was President that he passed 300 new laws, and made over 3,000 different changes to tax laws? If this is true then that just backs up what you have written Ben. So now the question becomes why make so many policies? Is this not a form of distraction in itself?

"Nothing happened as long we deny it"...

Because the current laws are obviously not working so something has to be done. I don't know which ecomist said it but he said "Put 1 cent extra on a box of nails and you could destroy the American apple industry" It is all so complex. Look at the dangerous dogs act in Britain we've had to throw it away because we cannot define what a dangerous dog is!!! It's all in the definitions...we have no great social policy makers anymore...they are all long dead and the world has become too complex.

Politicians make the policy and then sit and wait for the shit hitting the fan and hope that they can fix it afterwards!!!!!

Ben

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Politicians make the policy and then sit and wait for the shit hitting the fan and hope that they can fix it afterwards!!!!!

Wouldn't it be interesting to put those same politicians in the position to expirence, firsthand, what some of their policies can do. Bet ya, they wouldn't be so quick to make some of the more distructive policies. :cool:

Believe it or not Greeneyes it does happen sometimes! They draw up policy about declaration of interests for example, each minister has to declare what they own shares in...but that's usually dealt with by their broker...but shares in a small electrical firm may be traceable back to being owned by General Electric or something like that and the minister is suddenly in the firing line as he just happens to be the energy minister! And in reality he/she really didn't know!! But could lose their job because of it!
I love it!

Ben...... cheers Greeneyes (BTW A great Coldplay song!)

Bill Clinton didnt make ANY new laws.
Congress makes the laws.