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Mandelasdiscple
post Jan 17 2008, 08:23 PM
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we tend to think that its pretty accurate but there are many archaeological anomolies out there that would suggest otherwise. Will there be some major changes to the chronology of man within the century?
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post Jan 17 2008, 08:37 PM
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Both yes and no. I do believe they will find some info, but it will most likley be kept in the dark for most people.


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post Jan 17 2008, 10:07 PM
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Oh, absolutely!

History changes all the time. I've often said that history is less about 'facts' than about 'points of view'. It really tells us less about the past than it tells us about ourselves.

Take for example: When dinosaur bones were first found in the 19th century, I've read that the scientists who first studied them imagined them as quick, brightly colored, interesting. However, religious authorities could not stand the idea that God would allow a species to die out ... unless they were flawed. So artists and 'scientists' reimagined them as slow, dim-witted, tail-dragging lizards: a rough draft that deserved to be extinct. Only recently have we shown through the fossil record that the earlier interpretation holds more weight. Perhaps a hundred years from now, we'll have still a different view.

The other point I'd like to make is this. So called 'early' humans have an interesting detail in common: they have stronger, denser, more ape-like bones ... that are more likely to survive the ravages of time intact. Likewise, the oldest bones are from accident victims, often found in river beds and other places where they died. How do we know that 'modern' man did NOT live alongside them? How do we know that our weaker bones didn't simply decay more easily, thus removing us from the fossil record? How do we know there weren't burial practices at work that would also remove us from the fossil record? We don't.

I think there's a LOT we don't know about history ... and even a LOT we don't know even about the 19th century ... much less what happened 100,000 years ago.


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post Jan 22 2008, 01:45 AM
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Oh, absolutely!

History changes all the time. ...
The other point I'd like to make is this. So called 'early' humans have an interesting detail in common: they have stronger, denser, more ape-like bones ... that are more likely to survive the ravages of time intact. Likewise, the oldest bones are from accident victims, often found in river beds and other places where they died. How do we know that 'modern' man did NOT live alongside them? How do we know that our weaker bones didn't simply decay more easily, thus removing us from the fossil record? How do we know there weren't burial practices at work that would also remove us from the fossil record? We don't.

I think there's a LOT we don't know about history ... and even a LOT we don't know even about the 19th century ... much less what happened 100,000 years ago.


There is also no record of the evolutionary change from one type of human to another. There is no evidence they fought each other or that it could have wiped anyone out. We have never seen any evidence of evolution changing in man but to adapt to simple changes like areas of the body that get impacted, acclimatizing to temperature, dietary changes and so on. Nothing to do with evolution, just the resolution of harmful or irritating conditions.

If some of these sapiens lasted for so long, why/how could they be wiped out within just a few short years? What caused the changes in man?

Did mass extinctions come form over tempered volcanoes, comets or unhappy gods?

We all know we all love to say how crazy/creative some of these very old stories are when they talk of other species, monsters, gods and so on. But perhaps they were not that crazy/creative. And why did Roman emperors have such a crazy head dress (a reef)?

Why were men inspired to start writing and forming civilizations with learning all of a sudden? And what was the Great Pyramid really created for?

And then there is this forums favorite, aliens. Taboo to any reputable scientific researcher. Possibly the ancestors of modern man (that is right! you too could be a resident alien). The plot of your history may thicken as the political affairs of man are found to have "aliens" written all over them. Why does the bible say man was created in God's image? Was god a harry male? And what is with those crazy snakes and serpents?

The solar system may have clues too. Did the moon involve a large collision with Earth? Or was it taxied here? What happened to the 5th planet? Why is Mars lifeless? Do planets form at all? Did life start on Earth or was it brought here? Did life on Earth start from some crazy protein cocktail or was Earth tarraformed by aliens?

Is life a masterful work of art caused by chance, or the product of a god?

Stay tuned, these questions will get answered and much more. But... it would take awhile.
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post Jan 26 2008, 04:06 PM
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I believe man has risen and fallen several times look at all the past civilizations. Man keep making the same mistakes. It would ne nice to see a change.
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post Jan 26 2008, 04:32 PM
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:headscrat I believe alot of our odd/crazy/creative past was to make ourselfs God-like, all civilizations from this period believed in a God on earth usually being emperors and Emperors, these figures would evolve into Gods. Unfortunately this is not true. rolleyes.gif

No one knows what god looks like, No one will ever be able to, God will never reveal himself as a face to face person as he transcends mans visual expectations and boundaries. I believe we wouldn’t be able to grasp, understand, compare, describe, and appreciate God's actual appearance. wink.gif

I believe these are related I do believe we came here from Mars. We are missing alot of our history. :cool:

Life is to complicated to be by chance, if we were a bunch of bacteria in a protein pool id say yes, but again life here is too complex. I believe there is a God I do believe we were relocated here from Mars, I believe atleast 50% of our history is lost, The Bible is not wrong just not complete as its words of God through Mans perception and understand to "his best". ohmy.gif

all the above is my opinion and I am open to criticism from anyone as you, I and all of us can be wrong. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 27 2008, 07:26 AM
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History is certainly influenced, shaped and colored from sociological perspectives (i.e. race, gender, nationality, politics, etc). The easiest way to accomplish this is through the suppression, destruction and/or misinterpretation of artifacts. That this has occurred and continues to occur is easily observed. Therefore, it is reasonable to believe that it likely occurred even during 'prehistorical' times. Humans are forever divided among their social groups and almost always egocentrically motivated. Man tells his own story but not necessarily the story. Its a grand work of fiction.
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post Jan 27 2008, 02:39 PM
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I saw a book yesterday called "Lies my teacher told me" and it's about historical errors that we learn in our school systems. It was interesting while I read the back, didn't bother to look inside it though, I didn't have any money with me. Well I did, but was too lazy to buy it.

All in all, I think there might be a lot of history that we'll never truly know the full story of. Maybe man came from Mars like some say. Personally, I now think we used to live on Venus, but then Venus got to close and warm and we moved to Earth. Then we'll go to Mars, then Jupiter. At least I think that.
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post Jan 28 2008, 09:25 AM
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I'm not convinced that we 'lived' on Mars but there is some speculation that life may have first evolved on Mars or in interstellar space. Its reasonable but far from conclusive.

A great link for this type of study is
http://astrobiology.arc.nasa.gov/
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post Feb 11 2008, 03:27 PM
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I saw a book yesterday called "Lies my teacher told me" and it's about historical errors that we learn in our school systems. It was interesting while I read the back, didn't bother to look inside it though, I didn't have any money with me. Well I did, but was too lazy to buy it.

All in all, I think there might be a lot of history that we'll never truly know the full story of. Maybe man came from Mars like some say. Personally, I now think we used to live on Venus, but then Venus got to close and warm and we moved to Earth. Then we'll go to Mars, then Jupiter. At least I think that.


mr e i have that book and i'm reading it right now so far its very good.
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