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post Feb 15 2008, 07:52 PM
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What did you think about this
Think that i need to read that book.

N.T. "Tom" Wright is one of the most formidable figures in the world of Christian thought. As Bishop of Durham, he is the fourth most senior cleric in the Church of England and a major player in the strife-riven global Anglican Communion; as a much-read theologian and Biblical scholar he has taught at Cambridge and is a hero to conservative Christians worldwide for his 2003 book The Resurrection of the Son of God, which argued forcefully for a literal interpretation of that event.
It therefore comes as a something of a shock that Wright doesn't believe in heaven — at least, not in the way that millions of Christians understand the term. In his new book, Surprised by Hope (HarperOne), Wright quotes a children's book by California first lady Maria Shriver called What's Heaven, which describes it as "a beautiful place where you can sit on soft clouds and talk... If you're good throughout your life, then you get to go [there]... When your life is finished here on earth, God sends angels down to take you heaven to be with him." That, says Wright is a good example of "what not to say." The Biblical truth, he continues, "is very, very different."

Wright, 58, talked by phone with TIME's David Van Biema.


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http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8...1710844,00.html
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post Feb 16 2008, 03:06 AM
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It's just another idea.

"If you're good throughout your life, then you get to go [there]... When your life is finished here on earth, God sends angels down to take you heaven to be with him"
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That's more like buddhism idea but no passengers come to pick the person up, but by reborn as angel (angel is not a passenger either but anyone who's in heaven)

in those bible geeks idea, just say no one goes to heaven yet until jesus came to judge, so everyone who died before, now and before he came will be in a waiting list.

in a bucket of water set on little fire at the bottom, compare us as a molecule of water when it's heat up it floats to the surface right the way and when it's cool down it sanks, it didn't have a moment to stay await.
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post Feb 16 2008, 03:17 AM
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this is one thing that has always amused me actually..back to my university days.

The Christian bible fairly obviously talks about a literal resurrection. People come back to life in their bodies and live on Earth.

Oh well. Im not going to argue about other peoples fairy tales.
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post Feb 16 2008, 03:21 AM
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you never know, it could be what God has in mind.........
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post Feb 17 2008, 09:18 PM
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People come back to life in their bodies and live on Earth...Im not going to argue about other peoples fairy tales.


Re-animation or re-incarnation? People believe many things...but have knowledge of very little and that paltry sum is debatable. All is essentially an argument from ignorance.
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post Feb 17 2008, 09:45 PM
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Actually this idea is not new, and in fact is quite traditional. Up until the late 19th century, many people believed that one did not ascend to heaven at death, but rather waited in the grave until the resurrection was called. So, in fact, he does not have a new idea, but is rather going back to an older idea.

The idea of going to heaven immediately at death is much more 20th century: it's all instant gratification. Nobody in the 19th century particularly liked the idea of sitting in a mouldering body until Jesus saw fit to call them home.

It think we could probably, if we wish, draw a strong correlation between the rise in spiritualism (and similar heresies), followed by the rise in the idea of an immediate heaven.

Up until the late 19th century, it was also commonly believed that THIS world would be the new heaven, as he says, heaven and earth would be joined.

It's an intriguing idea ... I just hadn't realized that it had come back.

I think this statement is quite profound:
Wright: It has, originally, to do with the translation of Jewish ideas into Greek. The New Testament is deeply, deeply Jewish, and the Jews had for some time been intuiting a final, physical resurrection. They believed that the world of space and time and matter is messed up, but remains basically good, and God will eventually sort it out and put it right again. Belief in that goodness is absolutely essential to Christianity, both theologically and morally. But Greek-speaking Christians influenced by Plato saw our cosmos as shabby and misshapen and full of lies, and the idea was not to make it right, but to escape it and leave behind our material bodies. The church at its best has always come back toward the Hebrew view, but there have been times when the Greek view was very influential.


One of the interesting things is that this author goes back again and again to his views about the resurrection of 'God's people', however, if you read deeply into what he's suggesting (that the world is messed up and God will make it right), it may be that people are included in the restoration. Looking at the larger view of God and what God is, we are ALL God's children: in which case, just as there may not be a 'heaven', there may not be a 'hell', and as heaven is here, and God will make things right: maybe he'll fix what's wrong with us too.


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post Feb 19 2008, 05:34 PM
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Christian was taught that we have just one human life, and then the judgement which sort people whether to hell or to heaven. That way it implies that you must change now, or will be suffering when your death comes.

If the teaching say, you will reborn if not qualified until you become a believer. Then, the judgement day is not a strong of the point. Well, i think whoever think of this system, just weight their mind between these, but chose the judgement day method because it's more conservative.
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post Feb 29 2008, 02:59 AM
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Each culture has their own interpretation and ideas about God. I don't believe anyone is exactly wrong in having faith about an eternal afterlife. I do believe that bad people go to a state of an absence from God (love, truth) for eternity.

If you do research about different religions you'll see each one has just about the same concepts in mind.
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