They claim that their religion is peaceful. the word of religion itself means peace. But the belief is just whatever they think it's their god's will, and they believe TOO MUCH. Their god became a violent god, as they will get rewarded when they finished the missions. 50% of them says it's alright to do so. and they pray to god for someone they hate to get a serious disease and die. any religion has some beautiful parts of teachings, but will that be the real beauty or the trap?

I watched the Kingdom tonight, that was a really good movie, with a message or two for us all about this subject I think. In answer to your question what makes a suicide bomber? In my opinion, extreme religious views. Thats what it all seems to center around. There is many peaceful people in the Islamic faith but boy oh boy is there room in there to breed extremists that preach martyrdom via terrorist actions..

Extremism does it. I've known, and been good friends with, a number of Muslims. They've all been really, really wonderful people. Not a suicide bomber among them. They all say that suicide bombing isn't real Islam and that they're ashamed of the extremists.

There ARE good Muslims. Let's not generalize.

What makes a suicide bomber? Seriously? People who have nothing to lose and nothing better to do on Saturday night. Get these people some money, jobs, education and a future: in other words, get them something to hold onto, and maybe they won't be so quick to blow people up.

islam is actually a good way of life to follow if put into practice the right way. Besides Muhammed said the most important jihad is the internal one the struggle to correct one's self.

Thats what i always heard. but the teaching opens the opportunity. I hope peaceful muslim do something with it, because if they are just keep being peaceful to their own kind, the world is still shaking, who knows it's gonna happen near you.

Not only suicide bomb, here is a sad news, last month in toronto, the dad killed 16 years old daughter, because she didn't want to where the sleeve on her head anymore.

but lets remember here that this is not exclusive to islam because here in america there have been a slew of gun massacres within the last year none of them commited by a muslim.

A simple answer would be: The guy who tapes the dynamite to the poor bastard who's going to go BOOM! That who makes a suicide bomber.

Toniol,
Ok you guys are all going to hate me for saying this but what creates suicide bombers is a country like America droping cluster bombs on villagers and bombing the crap out of women and children in pure hate. Suicide bombers are a creation of fear, they are not real unless the media amplifies their existance and encourage an attack. If a country dombs the crap out of innocent people then they feel the need to protect themself just like they should, they don't have fighter jets to drop 500 pound bombs on a city and kill thousands their only defence is to kill themself and take out a couple of people with them to try to make a message of what war is about. Don't critisize a religion you know nothing about and don't believe the media that feeds proper gander to the weak minder fools who are to stupid to believe otherwise. Wake up to yourself.

I agree with some of what you say. However, I think that the roots are much more general than fighter jets dropping bombs. I think the real issue is that when there is injustice, real or perceived; when people believe their voices are not being heard, that negotiation and diplomacy have broken down completely; when they reach a point where they want to hurt their enemies (again, real or perceived), but have no other means to deliver death on a meaningful scale; Yes, the people will resort to suicide bombing. This is especially true when they have nothing to lose.

However, although U.S. military action in the Middle East definitely does a lot to feed the ranks of suicide bombers, I don't believe that this is merely a case about big, bad America going to war. Suicide bombing existed before the 'War on Terror', in fact there would BE no war on terror WITHOUT a particular suicide attack.

You say:


If you mean that we should not demonize Islam: you're right. If you mean that we should not label all of Islam as terrorist co-conspirators: You're right. If you mean that the media reinforces negative stereotypes of Muslims and Arabs: You're right.

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First, droping bombs is not before iraq war but suicide bombing is before that. It doesn't have to be suicide bomb if they can just do the bombs, like the south of thailand (here a story, thai local ancient was being nice to let them come to live in the area, when they spread they claim the government to fund them do their religion thing, but government didn't so they claim for 3 provinces of thailand so they can be sperate as a muslim country themself, so now they bomb the crap out of schools, public transportation, and government places.) They are the type that never fit in when they have power, and the root of that is from the believe.

Would they bomb or suicide bomb if their kind promote in themselves that such the action make them straight to hell, but no, the religion charactor is to stick together as we didn't hear much about muslim fight each other to make muslim rules better.

So, that tells that muslim and islam being to strick to religion with no modification, and they let it be, no one make a good claim out loud amoung their kind. what they blaim is outside their kind that treat them badly. they love to stick together in group then make the group better, otherwise they will always be stereotyped as a strainger. forexample, things that they ware on the head. what do they think? if they don't wear it they don't get into heaven, no matter how good they are or how much they believe in god right? If they change that simple rule, it will make the world much more in peace. do you believe it or not.

I would just like to say if i was an iraqi living there now i would be trying my hardest to kill american soliders as well i don't agree with killing civillians but i can't blame them for killing americans troops i would do the same damn thing.

Mandela, that's a controversial thing to say: but people should understand that you're right.

Let's put this into our own perspective. If another country invaded our home country, even if they said it was for our own good and to help us, how many of us would fight?

If, say, Canada invaded the US in order to reinstate the popularly elected President Al Gore, restore our civil liberties, destroy our weapons of mass destruction, liberate our 'detention camps' (and there ARE camps inside the US): how many Bubbas would be out every chance they got, with their shotguns and assault rifles and homemade bombs, blowing up every Canadian they could?

Good intentions or not, America is in Iraq, American soldiers and armed mercenary 'civilian contractors' are in Iraq. The US has soldiers in the streets. We're having firefights. We had a prison where heinous civil rights abuses occurred. We had soldiers that raped a teenage girl, then murdered her and her entire family. We had soldiers who committed revenge killings on innocent civilians because they 'thought' a sniper was firing from their house. We've dropped bombs that killed innocent people. We've had firefights that killed innocent people. Sure, we Americans in the safety of our homes can easily say: 'Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet' and all that crap, but Iraqi people aren't eggs, we ain't made nothing in Iraq but a big f*king mess.

We see the 'insurgents' as 'terrorists', but most of THEM see themselves as patriots and freedom fighters. We hate them. We're frustrated. We whine because they don't fight fair.

In the American Revolution, our 'patriots' were, in Britain's eyes, terrorists (though that word didn't exist then). We didn't fight fair either.

We can say all we want that what we're doing is 'for their own good', and that 'we're helping them! Why aren't they grateful?', but to them, we're simply an invader, a giant imposing its will.

I think what they insurgents are doing ultimately harms their country. I think they are making a bad situation worse. Some of these insurgent groups are hideously bad (killing captives with blowtorches and power drills, for example). However, we have to understand that they believe that what they are doing is right, and many Americans, if the situation were reverse and WE were invaded, would do exactly the same. I know a lot of Americans who, if America were the invaded country, would go to work on collaborators with blowtorches and power drills as well.

I'm not asking people to like it: I'm just saying this is how it is.

the same thing happened in vietnam and korea. I don't actually think the united states can win a war on foreign sole anymore esp. when they face guerilla war.

Not unless we have the support of the people. It has to be what the people want.

The encouragement that "belief" is a virtue creates suicide bombers. The idea that it is a virtue to value belief above reason.

The original post says that suicide bombers "believe too much". Well, where is cut off? It is a society of "moderates" educating their children to believe that produces the "extremists".. in fact the extremists are just taking what they are taught seriously..and if its not meant to taken seriously, if you can "believe too much", then why believe it at all?

This is not an attack on Islam, but my belief regarding religions generally. While Christianity does not today produce suicide bombers, instead it creates cycles of poverty by condeming birth control in nations that desperately need to practice birth control, it condemns people to hopelessness as research on diseases their suffer is held back, it holds aid hostage until impoverished, over populated countries modify their birthcontrol policy to fall in line with evangelical Christian values.

Holding "belief" as a virtue leads, quite frankly, to madness..but when everyone believes the same madness the name gets switched to religion.

As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities. ~Voltaire

vet you know im not a big fan of religion either but i have disagree with what you say about islam true believers of islam would not consider sucide bombing because muhammed said that the most important jihad is the one of they internal, to struggle with oneself. Its not belief it its beliefs that are manipulated by people with an agenda.

Iw2b2: I love Voltaire. Thank you.

what would muhammad did, if he knows his teaching doesn't really works, people still not be able to control the anger. besides he even taught that whoever die for god, will get reward by 7 of something (figs). and that made people think if they did suicide bomb for their own people, they will get reward in heaven. all muhammed think was to make the world become one as muslim society and he's the most famous in all humankind, that's why he rules muslim to be able to have 4 wives


MANDELASDISCPLE there is some way that the teaching open the chance to biasly think for oneself or for their group. they have some kind of prayer to god for the one they hate to get serious disease and die. and in case that you didn't hear yet, in toronto in the past 1 and a half, dad kill his 16 y/o daughter just because she doesn't want to wear the sleeves (looks like table cloth to me). can you imagine? daughter and religion he chose religion why? because the too strong of the belief

Mandela, I understand what you want to say.. but lets face it, Mohammed said a lot of things. Most Muslim scholars also basically take this approach to contradictions in the Koran: what ever comes latest in the Koran is the "correct" teaching..and unfortunately for the world, most of Islams peaceful message comes in the early part of Mohammeds teachings.

To claim that suicide bombers arent 'really Muslim's is playing the same game that Christians play whenever they claim that some sect they disagree with arent "really Christian".. when in fact they are accepted in the community, worship in the same place, etc. Its well established that violence is not far from the mainstream and is tolerated and in fact often called for.

And putting aside whether or not you or I believe that Mohammed would have approved of suicide bombings, there can be little doubt that suicide bombings are caused by religion.. by "beliefs" in the face of no facts.