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Attacking an old woman is outrageous! There had to be a better way then how they handled this.

I have a 22 rifle and if I had an opportunity I would own everything from automatics to rocket & grenade launchers. But that will never come to pass.
They may get away with this in a few instances but I do no see this sweeping the entire country.
If it does become law...fine...then I guess I'll be an outlaw by definition.

yeah i don't think they will ever be able to take away our right to bear arms because of the NRA and the militias.

SOUL-DRIFTER there are plenty of way better guns you can own that aren't illegal if thats what your saying. Did you know that the assault weapons ban has expired? You can legally own an ak-47.

If they can take away the peoples rights in New Orleans, why you think they cant do it nation or world wide?

Because there are some states that have many if not most it's politicians that own guns and support the NRA. As a result would have an extremely tough time to get past congress.

Well NO had theres taken away and congress had nothing to say about it. The way this world is going, I am surprised we can walk out our front doors with out being searched or stopped and asked for our papers to be able to go any where.

I agree.

I talked to a president of a big company once who confided that he had a secret cellar with an arsenal of weapons, many very illegal.
He said they would stay there locked if or until the world became a lawless place. The law will not know he has them until that day...and who will care then other than a looter on the recieving end.
Unless I were to win some giant lottery jackpot I would not do this. Can not afford it for one.

I have to say that the problem really isn't guns but gun violence. People don't have self-control sometimes.

I used to have a friend who lived in a little ranching town in Mexico where people used to walk through the streets with shotguns. He said it was the nicest, politest town you could imagine.

That said: I'm living in Japan, in part, because there are no guns here. All the school shootings in America are part of the reason I left. You can outrun a knife, but it's just too easy to kill people with a gun.

I support the right to bear arms: but how do we keep guns away from the criminals without becoming oppressive?

Do you realize how many heinous crimes there are that wouldn't happen if the perps didn't have guns to threaten people to stay still? Getting shot is the least of it. Criminals are becoming really twisted.

But wasn't there other circumstances involved?
If Marshall Law is declared, that changes things as well.

There was no martial law. The cops went door to door telling people to leave and if they had weapons they were forcefully taken from them.

But a law against guns will not take the guns from criminals, Kirin-rex.
Criminals could care less about any laws. They can get what they want on the Black Market.

Then there are grounds for legal action. Those people should ban together and bring a class action suit against the state. Don't you think?

That is the problem, the criminals have guns, but honest , hard working citizens have no right to protect there family and home? BS, hubby and I have our own small stock pile of weapons. I hate it for a crimmal to try and enter our home or hurt one of us . We would NOT hesitiate to defend our family and home, but the law says no no, you cant do that, but johnny criminal over here can get his hands on a gun any time and kill you, but you cant protect yourself?
Like hell we can't.


And the cops told these people if you want your weapons back, get a lawyer! They also gave no receipts for the weapons they took.

Now that is SO true. Once ordinary people could get licenses to carry concealed handguns in Texas, the criminals started to back off just a little. My Mom used to carry a .357 under the seat of her car. All the local cops knew it was there (heck, she BOUGHT it from one of the officers), but because they knew she traveled alone a lot, they didn't bother her. She'd carry it under the seat when she traveled and put it in her bag when she got out.

It's funny, because a police officer once told my mom:
"If you have to shoot somebody, either shoot them once and make it count, or empty the gun. If you shoot them once and kill them, you can always say you were just trying to stop them and missed - that you didn't really intend to kill them. If you empty the gun, you can say you panicked - but you have to kill them: you can't reload. You see, if you fire several bullets, but don't empty the gun, some lawyer can say you knew what you were doing. If you have to reload, they can say you were trying to kill them." That was funny coming from a police officer.

He told my Mom not to try to wound them: Shoot to kill. He warned my mom that lots of times people will wound an intruder, then stop to call 911. He said lots of people get killed that way because the bad guy will get up and attack. He said: "Don't turn your back, don't lower your guard, don't try to get close to check them." He also said if they're on the ground and she's not sure, go ahead and empty the gun. She could always say he moved and she panicked.

well once i turn eightteen im a stack em up too. Just in case i got to go Toussaint Louverture or Che Guevara on the government.

You cannot own a fully automatic ak-47 without a class 3 license. Even before the ban was up you could own ak-47 like weapons because they did not have pistol grips, collapsable stocks, or bayonet mounts (among a few other things).

I grew up as a shooter, I grew up out the bush, with high powered hunting rifles as part of the family culture. But the thing is, how many people actually shoot someone in self defense. I worked as a security guard for a long while, and refused to carry a pistol, regardless of how much my old boss tried to force me. My argument was that I am not going to shoot anyone anyway, at least not over $$ and gold which was what I was protecting, so carrying a gun is only making me a target. I see no reason for carrying one. Here in OZ we watch the cop shows from the US where we see a robber come into a shop, and the owner pulls out a gun and starts shooting at him. I guess i support that kind of self defense to a degree, in that if someone comes into your house intent on killing you, you should be able to defend yourself effectively. But the problem that I see is that, who makes that decision. The police are trained and taught how to do this effectively, i have not ever been a cop, but working in security the last thing that is helpful is people running around with guns thinking they can shoot people. So in principle i support people being armed, but in reality I am afraid I support gun control, just for the vigilante/idiot factor alone. You can see some of the extreme views (on both sides) held on this forum, do you really think it wise for some of these people to be running around with guns in there pockets? I am afraid the laws must be made to cover the lowest common denominator, and although most of us would use guns responsibly, there are many who would not.

You should all live in this Country where apart from a very small minority the only people who have guns are 'criminals' and a few 'special police' then see how safe you feel.....

Or live in Japan where I can count the annual shooting deaths on one hand. Last year it was a Yakuza hit and a police officer who did the shooting. I feel very safe because we don't have those problems here.

I lived in a ‘suburb’ outside of Tokyo for several years in the late 1990’s and there was a shooting involving a few youths and a store owner. The youth (the shooter) was ‘caught’ and he looked so forlorn and was so apologetic it was unbelievable to my ’western eyes’.
My Japanese friends told me this youth had just brought a huge disgrace upon his family lineage and that was something to be totally ashamed of.

I won’t use the Japanese model as a reference for gun control in other cultures but I will say, like kirin, I felt ’safe’ using the trains etc late at night.

Will carrying a weapon curtail criminal gun violence in the USA?

I’d hate to be the parent who is out for a ‘picnic’ and is confronted by a few armed robbers wanting money and, being the parent, having to decide whether or not to draw my weapon, quite possibly promoting a gun fight with his/her family put at risk of being wounded or killed.

Or the parent who is getting car-jacked and decides not to let it happen, pulls out their weapon and is shot dead.
There goes the family income… There goes one of the ‘heads’ of the family! Tough choices here imho. ~rore