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post Feb 29 2008, 01:30 AM
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I've read this on many different websites.
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post Feb 29 2008, 01:30 AM
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post Feb 29 2008, 01:50 AM
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What is your opinion, Amber?
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post Mar 2 2008, 06:20 PM
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I've read this on many different websites.


i feel they are
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post Mar 2 2008, 06:40 PM
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Some fundamentalist Christians throughout history have associated ghosts, aliens, elves and fairies with fallen angels. Generally, things that fall under the realm of paranormal, be they elves or aliens, are often classified as such by Christian groups.

However, I think that these things are OUTSIDE the realm of Christianity because they are experienced by non-Christians. For the Christians, no offense intended to anyone, who believe that Christianity is the only true or correct belief, this seems to make sense. To non-Christians, it would simply indicate that these things are likely not Christian phenomena, which is to say: not angels.

I'll elaborate more, if you'd like.
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post Mar 2 2008, 07:56 PM
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im still waiting for definitive proof that aliens exist.
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post Mar 5 2008, 02:32 AM
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As a very evangelical Christian and former pastor I can tell you that not all true Christians believe that these beings are demons or fallen angels. I have heard some Christians say that born-again believers are not abducted. I have been abducted many times beginning at the age of seven through about 55 when they stopped. I am almost 62 now. When I was pastoring, both my wife, my 3 children, and myself were abducted more than once. So there is a flaw in some people's thinking there. I don't know whether they are from another planet or from another dimension, but they are real and I don't sense they are demonic.
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post Mar 5 2008, 03:58 AM
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Thank you for your perspective, Taken. That's actually quite interesting. I meant no offense, and I sincerely hope none was taken. I did say 'some' fundamentalist Christians' which would be an accurate statement.smile.gif
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post Mar 5 2008, 06:38 AM
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I still debate wether there are aliens visiting us.
I do believe however that their is alien life on other planets, I just think they are too far away to be able to travel here.

But heck what do I know, I am a backsliding liberal christian;)

I don't believe they are fallen angels or anything at all remotely related to the tales of the Nephillim.

I can't tell you what they are as I haven't decided myself.
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post Mar 5 2008, 08:05 AM
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As a very evangelical Christian and former pastor I can tell you that not all true Christians believe that these beings are demons or fallen angels. I have heard some Christians say that born-again believers are not abducted. I have been abducted many times beginning at the age of seven through about 55 when they stopped. I am almost 62 now. When I was pastoring, both my wife, my 3 children, and myself were abducted more than once. So there is a flaw in some people's thinking there. I don't know whether they are from another planet or from another dimension, but they are real and I don't sense they are demonic.


Wow. You know, it gets promoted how great it is to be open minded. I don't think that's true. I think highly open minded people are a bit wimpy.

But I am NOT talking about racists and people out to cause trouble, I have a much lower opinion about them.

I think feeling, not being afraid to establish an opinion, being willing to change your opinion ONLY if you deem new evidence has shown you a new understanding, this is what it means to be alive.

Taken, your post is excellent, glad to have you around.
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post Mar 22 2008, 09:22 PM
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Different generations of man, and different cultures interpret things differently. Due to that fact, an Alien seen near a craft today might have been interpreted as an angel and the heavenly vessel it descended from the kingdom of heaven in a thousand years ago. But the results are the same now as they were then.
Someone, unless they were really credible, were often ridiculed, and sometimes labelled as witches, and thus burned. Today, the punishment is equally embarassing, but often less lethal in modern countries. In third world countries, it is a different story, though, unless you get like a hundred peopl eor something to see what you saw, then it becomes a miracle.
As for your original question, it is all about interpretation.
I think aliens have been fallen angels all along, but somewhere along the line, I think we are related to them.


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post Mar 22 2008, 10:50 PM
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At one point I am sure it would not have been a big deal to have a public landing. But the recognition that it is possible to build something like what they have makes it much more important to be discreet in how they present themselves if they wish to not be challenged. The difference in technology is still thousands of years ahead of us. But the ability to understand what people see is coming up. It is still to far ahead of us it seems (or at least was too far ahead of the small group of people that saw aliens in the last encounter I read about), but that gap is closing.

Before long they will have to announce themselves or withdraw from the system if they wish to stay out of our public view. That point is still a few years away but closing fast. It is the public denial of aliens that gives them the chance to come here. If not for that people would form a net that no craft could get though undetected.
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post Mar 23 2008, 06:03 AM
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Are aliens fallen angels?

Well, this would depend on your definition of what an angel is. Most lay people who read the Bible interpret angels as some supernatural and spiritual being. This may have been reinforced by medieval paintings showing then in white sackcloth with wings. However, if you read the books of the old testament then angels were messengers sent by the Lord of Hosts to his subjects to deliver a message to them. Most of the time, they look human and ate and drank like humans. But more than that, they were also fierce wariors ready to do the Lord's bidding. It is interesting that an almighty being needs an army of angels. What's more interesting is under this theocracry the subjects had to pay only ten percent tax (tithe) for protection and prosperity (I am quite envious of that). I do wonder who was it that turn these angels and their supreme commander (Yahweh) into spiritual beings with great supernatural powers? I think most people know the story of the exodus, but not many know that when the subjects complained that they were tired of eating mana and wanted meat to eat the Lord blew in flocks of quails to their camp. A lot of them that ate the bird meat died that day; was it bird-flu? Why didn't the almighty just conjured up fried chicken on a plate for them? Wouldn't that be more of a miracle rather than go through all the trouble of herding the flocks of quails?
Also, unexplainable deeds done by their God or persons associated with him these people call the deeds a miracle but anyone else that does the same unexplainable deeds these people call it sorcery or withcraft. In any case, at present there are no concrete proof for existence of aliens or angels.

Here is an interesting article: http://www.crivoice.org/terms/h-messenger.html.

Messenger or Angel?

By Dennis Bratcher

The English word “angel” has traditionally been used to translate the Hebrew word malak (as in Genesis 19:1). Yet in Hebrew the word malak means “messenger,” especially the envoy of a leader or king who communicates the king's wishes and represents the king (as in 2 Samuel 5:11). The word is translated simply “messenger” in the NRSV over 100 times. It has no inherent connection to any divine being. Even when the term is modified as “messenger of God” (malak yhvh) there is nothing in the term itself that demands what we mean by a supernatural being. We assume this to be so because of our understanding of the English term “angel.” But in Hebrew the “messenger of God” can as easily be, and probably more often is, a human being.

Yet in English the term “angel” evokes a very specific mental image of the traditional white robed winged figure that makes grand pronouncements from God. That image has come to be associated with the English word angel over two millennia of paintings, poetry, writing, and biblical interpretation. While the word “angel” comes into English through the Greek word anngelos, which itself originally meant “messenger,” the English term no longer means that.

So to use “angel” to translate malak introduces a level of interpretation, and baggage, into the English that is not at all present in the original Hebrew text. This creates the potential for misunderstanding the communication of the text, and the potential for creating bad theology, simply because the biblical terms are not understood in their own context.
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post Mar 23 2008, 06:30 AM
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QUOTE (Mandelasdiscple @ Mar 2 2008, 09:46 PM) *
im still waiting for definitive proof that aliens exist.

If one piece of evidence is atrue,this means something
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post Mar 23 2008, 06:55 AM
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QUOTE (ScottMan @ Mar 23 2008, 12:40 AM) *
At one point I am sure it would not have been a big deal to have a public landing. But the recognition that it is possible to build something like what they have makes it much more important to be discreet in how they present themselves if they wish to not be challenged. The difference in technology is still thousands of years ahead of us. But the ability to understand what people see is coming up. It is still to far ahead of us it seems (or at least was too far ahead of the small group of people that saw aliens in the last encounter I read about), but that gap is closing.

Before long they will have to announce themselves or withdraw from the system if they wish to stay out of our public view. That point is still a few years away but closing fast. It is the public denial of aliens that gives them the chance to come here. If not for that people would form a net that no craft could get though undetected.

All of us has some levels of understanding in some point,and to be able to understand certain things you must get thru certain steps of knowledge.Do you know Beethoven died poor,and he was coming with his music to professionals ,they put away his music because they weren't capable to understand it,they were behind,they weren't capable to understand beauty of his music,he was to much in front of them.Similar is with Jesus in my opinion,truths wchich He teached,you must have great understanding of Universe and his laws to create thougts wchich He created.People murder Him,because they weren't capable to understand His teachings,our perceptions of money and things aren't to much diffrent in us today than 2000 years ago,Is nothing wrong with things ,but we just must find right place for them in our set of priorities,if you really put life in front of everything else you would make completly diffrent choices ,than when you put money in front everything.He understood is no winners in world run by money,everyone are the losers,but our psyche is working the way that lie repeted 100 times becames true and if is for long time in us is hard to change it.We can see how our Earth lokks in big picture,by we do not belive we can change it because everyone almost saying around money and things are the real values,you can burn 100$,lose everything the biggest material value in one day,but you can't burn real values ,real values always are gaining value,they never dissapear,we created the world of fake values ,because this we are hurting each others,we aren't capable use our potencial,and we are saying we are right because wrong perceptions are so strong in us but when you look behind the seen ,you would notice doesnt make sense this what we are doing,we hurting each others,our own kids but saying we are loving them,Peace
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post Apr 13 2008, 12:00 AM
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humm i dont believe that .. infact i have never heard of this .. i only know of one fallen angel


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post Apr 20 2008, 12:50 PM
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Could it be that aliens were confused for angels? Lets keep in mind that Christianity is relatively young when we look at the time humans have been here. People tend to explain happenings they don't understand with religion.
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post Apr 28 2008, 10:13 AM
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QUOTE (Pure Mystic @ Apr 13 2008, 05:50 AM) *
humm i dont believe that .. infact i have never heard of this .. i only know of one fallen angel


If you are referring to Lucifer, otherwise known as Satan...he took 1/3 of the angels with him when he fell. We know them as demons.
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post Apr 28 2008, 10:19 AM
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fell from where exactly?...a gumgum tree!
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post Apr 28 2008, 10:19 AM
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fell from where exactly?...a gumgum tree!
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post Apr 28 2008, 10:37 AM
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QUOTE (macdaddy @ Apr 28 2008, 12:09 PM) *
fell from where exactly?...a gumgum tree!

According to historical writings. Lucifer was an important angel in heavon. He thought all the angels should be the equal of god. He rebelled and many angels joined him. After a battle raged through heaven for a long time Lucifer and his followers were cast out and condemned to hell.

To get revenge and undo gods works lucifer brought the knowledge of good and evil to man. The word Lucifer means the bearer of light. It requires intelligence to understand the concept of good and evil. So Lucfer brought the light of intelligence to the human race.

Thats the story I got from a course in lit, but that was a few years ago so I could be getting some of it wrong and I don't remember specific references.

Anyway it is related to the word Lucifer meaning the bearer of light.
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