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Mar 7 2008, 04:03 PM
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I know no one will believe this story. Probably the most unbelievable story on this site. I am just posting info so will not reply to any posts about the story.
When I was pre-school age, I lived in Salem, Oregon. I was outside at about 8:00 p.m. and I looked behind me and saw a witch flying on a broomstick. I know it sounds impossible. I am just saying what happened. At the young age, you might think I imagined the sighting. It was not my imagination. At that age, I never heard of a witch or even witches flying on broomsticks. Halloween was not something I was old enough for at the time. The witch was dressed in a black dress that went to her ankles just like what is the traditional desription of a witch. I cannot remember if she had the witch hat. She was flying on a broomstick at about 70-100 feet off the ground. I think she saw me and came from wherever she was to investigate. She was flying towards me and looking at me. She did not do anything other than fly on her broomstick and look at me. She did not seem mean, maybe concerned about me. It is just strange that the stories and descriptions of witched from as far back as the 1400s include flying on broomsticks in stories about witches. The witch flying on a broomstick happened and I know no one will believe it. Today,you never hear about witches flying on broomsticks. It is a rare event and anyone who sees it happen will probably not mention it. So why did people tell stories about witches flying on broomsticks as far back as the 1400s? |
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Mar 7 2008, 04:13 PM
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I told them NO cameras when I am out flying!
-------------------- Whoever said anything was possible, obviouly never tried slamming a revolving door.
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Mar 7 2008, 04:30 PM
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![]() Flea Bitten Dog ![]() Group: Super Moderators Posts: 6,058 Joined: 17-December 03 From: On a Rock in Australia Member No.: 113 |
cricket: lol... couldn't resist eh... :witch: I told them NO cameras when I am out flying! Dingo . |
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Mar 7 2008, 05:00 PM
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Hillary Clinton strikes again.
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Mar 7 2008, 05:12 PM
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![]() Flea Bitten Dog ![]() Group: Super Moderators Posts: 6,058 Joined: 17-December 03 From: On a Rock in Australia Member No.: 113 |
tye: Not meaning to be too mean, but don't you think it's rather strange... rather a big ask... to tell everyone a story about something you experienced as a preschooler.... then go on to inform us that you won't be replying to any posts about the story because the story is what you consider to be unbelievable..... yet you expect others to reply to a question you have which is indirectly related to your story... :concussed I know no one will believe this story. Probably the most unbelievable story on this site. I am just posting info so will not reply to any posts about the story. So why did people tell stories about witches flying on broomsticks as far back as the 1400s? Dingo . |
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Mar 7 2008, 05:45 PM
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I have a story for you then, no brooms involved.
My sister witnessed something like a witch and I saw a show about bizarre creatures that resembled a witch. First my sister was driving down a long country road and a black thing was off to the side of the road it was floating with red eyes. The tv show had it on tape somewhere in Mexico. This black thing shaped like a witch with red eyes flew up then down on the hood of a taxi car. Real weird I know.:devil: -------------------- live long and prosper
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Mar 7 2008, 06:23 PM
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O.K. I said I wouldn't reply. So my reply is it is funny how people who were never there when I witnessed what I witnessed are such experts on what happened. There are people who visit this website just so they can argue about whatever anyone wants to post. So put yourself in my shoes. Would you want someone to reply to your experiences like you've replied to mine. I am sure you would be all over it if I said the same about something that happened to you.
This world is full of things that are strange such as UFOs, ghosts, vampires, fairies, elfs, bigfoot, chupacabras, demons, angels, etc. Also things like the JFK, Abraham Lincoln coincidences, The Titan book and sinking of Titanic, etc. None of us have control of what this world is about. Just because it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean it is not possible or real. What makes some of these experiences so strange is that they do no happen everyday and for things like faires and ghost, not everyone has seen them so the people who have not seen them have problems believing the people who have. This world is almost like an enchanted place. It seems like a world where ordinary things are all that happen and everyone is a normal human. Instead, there is like a hidden side to the world that only a few have experienced. The world is like the twilight zone which makes it interesting. Speaking of witches, the Kennedy family was cursed by a witch. The story has in the past been a story that the media has covered. For the people with the decent replies, hope you enjoy the story. |
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Mar 7 2008, 07:04 PM
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I have a vivid memory as a preschooler of an eagle as big as a light light aircraft, flying over a big tree near my house. It is so clear in my head now I could easily draw a detailed picture. But the thing is, there is no eagle that big, so it must simply be the distorted perception or understanding of a little kid.
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Mar 7 2008, 09:12 PM
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You know me Dingo, couldnt hold it back, lol!
-------------------- Whoever said anything was possible, obviouly never tried slamming a revolving door.
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Mar 7 2008, 09:19 PM
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Maybe he did see it. And we'll leave it at that. if you make fun of him for it, he doesn't come back.
There was a cop in Mexico who videotaped the damn thing. Now we all figured out it was one of those personal flying crafts that actually exist (and not a broom) but it convinced a lot of people. Maybe this flying witch was a hoax. someone attached it to a balloon and it caught a current and got up to a decent speed. Maybe the balloon was high enough that it was covered by clouds. What was the weather like? |
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Mar 7 2008, 09:23 PM
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I remember a cop from Mexico was scared to death, They called paramedics to check him out. He said it was a flying witch he and his partner saw.I saw that on a video from you tube so, take it for whats it worth I guess.
-------------------- Whoever said anything was possible, obviouly never tried slamming a revolving door.
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Mar 7 2008, 09:26 PM
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(cricket;350156) I remember a cop from Mexico was scared to death, They called paramedics to check him out. He said it was a flying witch he and his partner saw.I saw that on a video from you tube so, take it for whats it worth I guess.
right, but right after we viewed it on here (about a year or two ago) I found this craft that looks exactly like what the "witch" was riding. I have no idea how the damn thing works.. i guess it's like a jet pack attached to something you can stand on.. but it looked almost identical. Can anyone find our thread? |
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Mar 7 2008, 10:19 PM
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![]() Flea Bitten Dog ![]() Group: Super Moderators Posts: 6,058 Joined: 17-December 03 From: On a Rock in Australia Member No.: 113 |
trog: But noone has discussed or asked him any questions about his story so far and it was tye himself who said the incident was unbelievable... He negates his own experience before he says what it was he saw... Maybe he did see it. And we'll leave it at that. if you make fun of him for it, he doesn't come back. But.... It's the expectation that tye asks for that is questioned... He seems to think it's okay for him not to reply to any reply he gets here, yet he asks a general type question where he is expecting a rely by the looks of it... Quote from his first post... tye asks So why did people tell stories about witches flying on broomsticks as far back as the 1400s? So does that mean tye, you are wanting others to have a discussion about your 1400s witch on broomstick question, but you yourself have no intention of contributing to it... Done my head in this has... Dingo . |
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Mar 7 2008, 10:40 PM
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Dingo, What I meant to say is that there are stories, pictures from as far back as the 1400s, maybe earlier, that include witches flying on broomsticks. I will ask now, why would they include the broomstick to associate with the witches and that they can fly on the broomstick? This is what I saw and everything we know makes flying on a broomstick impossible. I can say that may god strick me dead if I am not stating exactly what I saw. I was not a messed up or confused memory. I remember clearly. I am not really freaked out by seeing this happen. As I mentioned, in the 1400s there are pictures of witches flying on broomsticks. I have not heard any stories that were based on facts in the last 100 or even few hundred years. The pictures in the 1400s of witches on broomsticks seem to be for entertainment or fantasy world ideas. What made someone think of a witch flying on a broomstick unless someone actually reported seeing it?
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Mar 7 2008, 10:58 PM
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This is crazy sounding and I have real problems believing her but: My mother has sworn that when she was 10 or 12 that she claims to have seen a witch on a broom as well!
I'm sorry, but this is one of those things were I am going to have to see it to believe it. |
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Mar 7 2008, 11:47 PM
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![]() Flea Bitten Dog ![]() Group: Super Moderators Posts: 6,058 Joined: 17-December 03 From: On a Rock in Australia Member No.: 113 |
Okee dokee... I don't profess to know a lot about witches but I do remember when I was very young I was peeved off with my mother about something I have long forgotten why and called her a witch.... and she, my mum, who I can honestly say I have never in my life heard her yell or swear (she is weird like that) said to me... come here and look me in the eyes and repeat it... and I did and she burst into tears... opps... yup I did feel bad...
And since that day we buy her witch mobiles and her own broomstick coz she is always drying herbs and is big on herbal stuff and gardening by the moon, buys seeds and tells which ones are male female etc through using a pendelum (a nail on the end of a string she uses) and dousing etc... It was pretty embarrassing as a kid going shopping for plants with her and us kids used to pretend we didn't know her at times like that and we used to hang as far away from her as we could... But you need to read the history of witches to see the connetation of the devil and it's religious base etc... and initially it was thought by some that the devil gave women a stick to ride on (a sort of a phallic symbol all to do with religion and stuff and morals, hallucinagenics, folk lore etc... ) Down the track it was a broom they rode and there is the old way of riding a broom and the modern way which is with the broom bristles behind... Anyway... that's a pretty awfully worded account, but here are some sites which make interesting reading... about the aeorodynamics of riding a broom... about why witches rode a broom etc... Google for heaps more sites because it's a very complex involved topic... http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/3...broomstick.html http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WITCHES/witches.html http://www.prattle.net/samhuinn02/bollocks.html Dingo . |
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Mar 7 2008, 11:56 PM
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I know the story about the witch flying on a broomstick is an odd story. I can say I have seen things besides witches that are paranormal. I will not go into that in this post since alot of people have problems believing these types of stories. I do not want any one to think I am off my rocker. Something like U.F.Os that are reported worldwide, I have seen them on 4 different occasions. I am just glad I have never been abducted or actually seen an alien. That would be too much to handle.
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Mar 8 2008, 12:06 AM
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Two points: These two points are not about the experience, but about history.
(1) Why are witches associated with brooms? European pagans attempting to avoid persecution by early Christians, would disguise the oaken staff used in their ceremonies (as such a staff lying about the house would be a dead give-away: [Christian] What's this oak staff for? [Pagan] Uh, that? Uh, it's for ... beating my children!). They would disguise it conveniently as: a broom. Early Christians were quick to denounce pagan religions as devil-worship. Hence, the witches in medieval times were depicted with the broom (that hid the ceremonial staff used in their 'evil' pagan rituals), a black cat (a devil familiar, an association that came during the Black Plague, when people mistakenly believed that cats, rather than rats, were spreading the plague), etc. Ironically, in Shakespeare's time, people apparently believed that witches had beards (read MacBeth). (2) Flying. Originally, witches did not fly on brooms. They flew on the devil's back. Later, according to my understanding, witches flew on brooms ... but with the straw forward and the handle behind. I've never seen this depiction, but I've read of it. That said: Tye, you said: So my reply is it is funny how people who were never there when I witnessed what I witnessed are such experts on what happened.
I see no comments to that effect. I think you're overreacting. There are people who visit this website just so they can argue about whatever anyone wants to post
That is why this is called a discussion board. So we can talk about these things. Without a devil's advocate, we lose a chance to explore the phenomenon. I'm sorry if it offends you, but there it is. That said: I've seen weirder things than a flying witch, so I can't really complain. However, I sincerely doubt that you could reach pre-school age and NOT have been exposed to the concept of witches on broomsticks, considering that it is one of THE most common Halloween images in America. I'm not saying you didn't see a witch: I'm only saying that I think that this image was available to your subconscious. -------------------- The optimist sees a glass that is half-full.
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Mar 8 2008, 12:42 AM
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Here is a little history on it.
~*~ Broomsticks: Use and History ~*~
The Broomstick The traditional companion of the witches was the enchanted broomstick, used for their wild and unholy flights through the night and probably to some distant Witches' Sabbat. This is one of the first images you get to see as a child and this was doubtlessly believed by the prominent rulers of Europe. The number of actual confessions of witches doing so is remarkably small. Usually confessions state that they went to the Sabbat on foot or on horseback. Legends of witches flying on brooms goes back as far as the beginning of the Common Era. The earliest known confession of a Witch flying on a broom was in 1453, when Guillaume Edelin of St. Germain-en-Laye, near Paris, stated that he had done so. In 1563, Martin Tulouff of Guernsey said to have seen his aged mother straddle a broomstick and whisk up the chimney and out of the house on it, saying "Go in the name of the Devil and Lucifer over rocks and thorns". In 1598 Claudine Boban and her mother, witches of the province of Franche-Comt, in eastern France, also spoke of flying up the chimney of a stick. The belief of flying off though the chimney became firmly embedded in popular tradition, although only a few people ever mentioned doing so. It has been suggested that this idea was connected with the old custom of pushing a broom up the chimney to indicate the absence of the housewife. The Germanic Goddess Holda or Holle is also connected with the chimney. Other indications that lead to the popular belief that witches actually flew on broomsticks can be found in an old custom of dancing with a broom between the legs, leaping high in the air. In Reginald Scot's book, The Discoverie of Witchcraft, published in 1584, we find a similar description: "At these magical assemblies, the witches never failed to dance; and in their dance they sing these words, 'Har, har, divell divell, dance here dance here, plaie here plaie here, Sabbath, Sabbath'. And whiles they sing and dance, ever one hath a broom in her hand, and holdeth it up aloft." Scot quoted these descriptions of Witch rites from a French demonologist, Jean Bodin, who made observations of a kind of jumping dance, riding on staffs. These customs might have contributed to the popular picture of broomstick-riding witches through the air. In 1665, from the confession of Julian Cox, one of the Somerset coven, mentioned "that one evening she walks out about a Mile from her own House and there came riding towards her three persons upon three Broom-staves, born up about a years and a half from the ground. Two of them she formerly knew, which was a Witch and a Wizard". History Some authors claim that the oldest known source of witches flying on broomsticks is a manuscript called Le Champion des Dames by Martin Lefranc, 1440. This might be one of the oldest images representing a hag on a broomstick, but it is certainly not the first. A wall painting from the 12th century in Schlesswig Cathedral (Germany) shows the Norse deity Frigg riding her staff. If we really dig a bit deeper into history, we'll find that from the Roman world there are reports that mention witches flying on broomsticks as well as having used ointments, as early as the first century. They were called Straigae (Barnowl) and the Lamiae from Greek culture had similar characteristics. Later in Roman history, the goddess Diana was the leader of the Wild Hunt: "It is also not to be omitted that some wicked women, perverted by the Devil, seduced by illusions and phantasm of demons, believe and profess themselves in the hours of the night to ride upon certain beasts with Diana, the goddess of pagans, and an innumerable multitude of women, and in the silence of the dead of the night to traverse great spaces of earth, and to obey her commands as of their mistress, and to be summoned to her service on certain nights". (See: Canon Episcopi). Similar beliefs existed in many parts of Europe. From Norse mythology, we know that the army of women, lead by Odin (Wodan), called the Valkyries, was said to ride through the skies on horses, collecting the souls of the dead. In continental Germanic areas, the goddess Holda or Holle was also said to lead the Wild Hunt and is connected to chimneys and witchcraft. Berchta or Perchta, another Germanic goddess, which can be identified with Holda, has similar characteristics. Again in Celtic Traditions, the Horned God Cernunnos, and/or Herne the Hunter was leader of the Wild Hunt and the Scottish Witch Goddess Nicneven was also said to fly through the night with her followers. Eastern Europe sources also have a wealth of folklore about witches flying through the air. So flying through the air, evidently, was a deeply rooted mythological theme, associated with the free roaming of the spirit, the separation of soul and body. Symbolism The broomstick is a female and male symbol, "the rod which penetrated the bush". Its symbolism and interpretation is therefore purely sexual. RITUAL USE There are hints of its use as an artificial penis or dildo. In a curious old book, A Dictionary of Slang, Jargon and Cant, by Albert BarrSre and Charles Godfrey Leland (1897-1899), we are told that the slang term in those days for a dildo or artificial penis was "a broom-handle", and the female genitals were known vulgarly as "the broom". To "have a brush" was to have sexual intercourse. Noteworthy is the evidence from Witch trials mentioning the "cold hard member of the Devil himself". In 1662, Isabel Gowdie, accused of witchcraft, made a confession which could suggest that some sort of artificial phallus of horn or leather may have been used: "His members are exceeding great and long; no man's members are so long and big as they are….(he is) a meikle, black, rough man, very cold, and I found his nature as cold within me as spring-well water…He is abler for us that way than any man can be, only he is heavy like a malt-sack, a huge nature, very cold, as ice. |
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Mar 8 2008, 01:24 AM
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Excellent, SD! Lot's of new information there. I wasn't aware that the broomstick image was so old.
Flying up the chimney is also an interesting metaphor. -------------------- The optimist sees a glass that is half-full.
The pessimist sees a glass that is half-empty. The wise person sees a glass of water and enjoys it for what it is. |
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