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post Mar 9 2008, 08:27 PM
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The thought of UFOs has always interested me. I am a firm believer so these thoughts are mainly biased and I am probably preaching to the converted. I have seen some weird things with my own eyes, but I have never seen anything that is very conclusive, however I do expect to see something which I could genuinely say was definitely a UFO.


Chapter One


According to human knowledge we live in an infinite universe. In this universe there are billions of stars, some of which are like are own Sun, orbiting these stars there are even more planets. If life developed on this planet there is an exceptionally strong chance that the same chain of events has happened on one of these other planets and that would mean there is a sister of Earth, or maybe even a whole family of us, all supporting intelligent life some of these planets may even have creatures like our own. If two planets have the same landscapes it would suggest that life could adapt in the same way.

Earth is by no means an old planet. So the sister Earth planets could be millions of years older than our planet which would mean they could support far more advanced life forms and may have technology which allows them to travel from galaxy to galaxy with ease. These beings are probably what we see as UFOs on this planet.

Having said all that about sister planets with the same atmospheric conditions and landscape as Earth, how do we know that in deep space life has evolved on a planet with no water or oxygen? This could be a good thing because it would mean that life is probably much more abundant in out universe but it would have a major downside. We could not live easily on a planet much unlike earth, it may be fine for the native life but for us it could be too hot, too cold, too toxic, etc. l of this out.


Chapter Two


In this chapter I am going to concentrate on the idea of mass extinctions. This immediately makes you think of dinosaurs and they are a good example. Around 65 million years ago most species of life were wiped out on this planet, this kind of event is unsurprisingly called a mass extinction. Anyone who watches the X-files will remember Scully talking about this topic and what she said was accurate.

Scientists believe there have been seven or eight mass extinctions in Earth's history, the periods between each one vary and no pattern has been identified but an average can be taken. This average is alarmingly less than the number of years since the last mass extinction which would indicate that unless we are lucky we are in line for a major global disaster which will remove man from the face of the earth.

When the first mass extinction took place life was effectively send back to square one in the game of evolution. Any biological advancements from one cell organisms relying on simple methods of feeding and reproduction, were lost. Each time there was an extinction, life faired better and more complex organisms survived, this is how life has evolved to the stage it is at now, through countless setbacks, the damage lessening each time.

If one of these extinctions were to happen now, in the form of a killer disease or a giant asteroid colliding with our planet would man be able to do anything about it? Are we so advanced that we cannot be stopped? That is not really the question I wanted to ask on this topic, I was thinking more along the lines of: Could alien life have been to this planet and even existed here but all traces have been wiped away? Maybe life came from other planets, possibly even our own species.

The X-files put forward the idea that genomes for humans were sent to this planet on a huge UFO like slab of rock, but who would interpret these huge codes and build a species, is there a God or some other kind of driving force behind out planet or indeed the whole universe, I will think about this in the next chapter.


Chapter Three


This chapter is going to be more of a follow up to the last chapter I wrote on mass extinctions. After reading the section on mass extinctions, a friend of mine reminded me of a television program, possibly Horizon (UK), which detailed super volcanoes in one of their episodes. These are volcanoes that have the potential for ultra eruptions. These eruptions would be so strong that even by themselves they would cause mass devastation and change to the global climate by increasing the temperature and producing a huge cloud of toxic gas.

This, however, is not the major worry. The theory is that if one of these super volcanoes were to erupt it would cause a chain reaction of eruptions from many other volcanoes in the area. In any region on the ring of fire, this could be catastrophic as there are so many volcanoes all close together. This could turn into a mass extinction as, unlike an asteroid we have no way to stop volcanic eruptions. The are seven super volcanoes on this planet, research shows that one erupts about ever 100,000 years and it's about 100,000 years since the last one went off.

In the May issue of UFO Magazine (UK) there is an article which is related to this topic. In December 2001 the Popocateptl volcano, which overlooks Mexico City, was certainly, in the opinions of many respected seismologists, about to erupt. They were so sure that tens of thousands of inhabitants of Mexico City were evacuated away from the danger area. Then just before the inevitable eruption occurred, a small ball of light passed through the cloud of volcanic ash, which is at temperatures of 5000º centigrade. This is at a time where all airspace within 20 miles of the volcano was a no fly zone. This event was caught on a time-lapse camera set up by a group of seismologists monitoring the volcano. Now comes the interesting bit. Minutes after this ball of light appeared, the rumblings ceased and the flames receded. There was no eruption. The 20 million residents of Mexico City breathed a long, hard sigh of relief. What was this mysterious ball of light? Does this show that there is a force controlling what happens to life on our planet, does that force have the power to save and destroy life? Nobody really knows but it is an idea to be considered.
To see a picture of this craft click here.


Chapter Four


Religion is a wonderful thing. The idea of religions were conceived from fiction instead of facts. When they were first started, the general public were not educated, they would believe whatever a scholar would tell them. It was like an elaborate business, and still is.

Having said this, I have huge admiration for deeply religious people who rely on god to help them through. They have god there to back them up. If a loved one passes away or if their life is in danger, they can draw a simple crucifix on their chest, utter the Lord's Prayer and then they can carry on. This mentality is incredible. It resembles a brainwash, the thoughts are not their own. They did not come up with the notion that a god is looking over them; it has been drummed into them since infancy. This is true for all religions.

In the educated society of today, people are beginning to realise that what is being forced upon them does not add up. I'm not going to imply that these people are smarter than those who follow mindlessly like sheep. I would just say that these people are free thinkers. They can play with new theories and thought tracks in their minds. People like this are not influenced by what they see or what they are told. They think about new information, evaluate it and then decide whether to discard it or follow it up.

Religion was a great way of keeping law and order and making a lot of money for the authorities but it has had its time. It is an outdated concept without a place in modern society, however religion is not just going to go away as there are still a vast majority of people in the world who live their life by a set of rules and ideals.

If there is a driving force in the Universe then who says how it thinks or what it wants us to do. Man making up these rules and then forcing them upon other men is pointless. Maybe we should go about our lives, abiding by the law and by using a small amount of intelligence we can understand the difference between right and wrong. Why make churches and temples and say prayers which this 'force' has not told us to say? It is not logical but it is not devoid of point. Early man always needed a godly figure. He needed someone to rely on to bring him food or a good harvest and to keep him from harm. He needed a god so he could feel safe in the harsh world around him. God was like a safety blanket. Then god transformed as men developed to be someone who has to be worshiped and life had to be given to please him. Explain this please. People who believe in god believe that he created life. Now tell me why sacrificing his creation is going to please him.

For some people UFOs are a religion. They feel they have been visited and an extraterrestrial force directs their life. This is probably more accurate than worshiping a religious god. No one can answer questions such as why does the universe exist, questions like this roll around in your head and give you a major headache but it is reasonable to believe that there is some kind of driving force, however I am not going to even think about detailing this because like everyone else I do not have a clue. So, why would someone decide to try and worship this force? They don't know anything whatsoever about it, they don't know what it wants and therefore worshiping is pointless.

I do not have anything against religious people. If I was forced to go to Church every week I would be unhappy about what I consider to be a waste of time. Religion still serves a few useful purposes for billions of people, it gives them strength and confidence when times get hard and shows them how to live life without aggravating all around you. We all need this, for some Meditation is the way, others pray and there are the original people who have their own ideas and concepts, which they don't force upon others.


Chapter Five


Here is a thought to get your head spinning. I'm sure most of you reading will have seen the movie 'Men In Black', but for those of you who haven't I will explain myself. In the movie there is a riddle along the lines of 'Look for the galaxy on Orion's Belt', someone is going to mail me and correct me on that I'm sure. Anyway, Will Smith and his alien busting buddies realised that Orion's Belt did not have a galaxy on it, instead the riddle referred to the cat called Orion and that the galaxy was on his collar. The galaxy was contained in a tiny ball hanging from the cat's collar.

Anyway, your head should not be spinning yet but now comes the brain ache thought this had been leading up to. Imagine if our galaxy was in a little glass ball hanging from a cat's collar. Try to imagine how terrifyingly huge that cat would be, think about the thickness of one hair, or maybe the size of its claws...


Chapter Six


UFO researchers have two nemeses: debunkers/skeptics and the government/military who see it fit to cover-up anything that would interest UFO researchers. The skeptics can sometimes be tolerated. Most people into the topic of UFOs find the fact that these people cannot open their minds to any new ideas very irritating, me included. However, they are not just an irritation, they are one of the factors which prevents researchers getting the message through to the general public. They are the people responsible for the ridicule, something which prevents a lot of useful UFO witnesses coming forward. On the front page of 'The Times' newspaper in the UK recently there was an article by Simon de Bruxelles saying that the topic of UFOs was dead and buried. He is a known skeptic and articles like this stop people from going to their computer and typing the word 'UFOs' into their favourite search engine. Someone told me that UFO sites were the 2nd most visited sites on the internet, I'd love to talk to whoever did that survey because I'm sure many UFO site webmasters would disagree. Anyway, back to the point, the people who start looking at websites can start buying magazines, such as UFO Magazine (UK or US) and hear about conferences and maybe get themselves actively involved in the UFO community. We fight an uphill struggle and skeptics keep throwing rocks down onto our heads.

The government and military figures however are an even bigger headache. They tell witnesses that what they saw was nothing out of the ordinary, such as just a missile test or an aircraft performing a knife edge manoeuvre (flying on with its wings perpendicular to the ground supposedly giving the impression of not having any wings). Then the army or the government remove evidence inside a barricaded area which cannot be penetrated until every last spec of debris has been collected. This leaves us nothing except maybe an eye witness who was on the scene before the troops, maybe they can give us a report but compared to what should have been revealed to the world this is just a pittance.

Trying to directly get information out of the government is like pulling teeth. Declassified documents of an event that happened this year are decades away, and some declassification dates are put backwards hindering researchers even more. You have to wonder what event will have to occur before the world is let into the government's little secret.


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post Mar 29 2008, 08:07 PM
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Consider the amount of energy put into debunking UFO's. Every report is thoroughly debunked by every kind of expert imaginable. Yet we find cave drawings of aliens, and UFO's in medieval paintings.

One city in medieval Europe had such a remarkable sighting that they even put it on the coins they minted. I'm surprised a debunker hasn't gone on record stating it was a 1,000 year old hoax.

The reason we know so much about Alexander the great is that he took historians with him on his campaign. In 300 BC they recorded that metallic flying disks spooked their horses during battle and they had to rally to save the day.

I would suspect that much of the debunking is originated by those who have the most motivation to hide the truth. DOD probobly has experts in the field of media control and debunking the truth.

Considering the age of the universe there must have been many species who reached the industrial revolution about ten billion years ago. Some may have become extinct but some are probobly still around. With a ten billion year old research lead they have probobly achieved whatever is possible within the physical laws of the universe.

The shocker is not that we have been visited. Rather it would be a shock to find that we have not been visited.

The odds say that we have been visited by many races with many different levels of technological development. At least I hope we have. Because if they haven't been here then we are never going to go anywhere either. The only reason for aliens not visiting us is that the physical laws of the universe prevent it. I refuse to be that pessimistic about our own future.

Also I consider that if the debunkers truly did not believe in UFO's they would not put that much effort into proving something they already knew. The majority of them are probably disenformation experts on the DOD payroll.

Consider who has the most to gain by hiding the truth. This would be particuarly true if they had made some secret treaties that the public would find unsavory. Like allowing genetic studies of US citizens (abduction motivations) in exchange for technology.

An acusation made by Phil Schneider. He was a government geologist and engineer with a top secret security clearance. He leaked some information to a friend who started a UFO magazine. When his friend turned up dead Phil left his employment and went on a two year speaking campain about government lies and coverups of the truth. Then he was found dead in 1996 with a rubber hose wrapped around his neck.

There may be a reason why people who leak info on DOD coverups of alien interactions usually hide their identities. They want to live. You cannot hide a truth that immense and be nice about it.

If you have never heard of the Phil Schneider story google it. Some of his lectures were videotaped and are on youtube. Truly scary stuff.

As long as you speculate and don't actually know any secrets you are safe. I think those in the know would have a lot of motivation to remain silent. Most of those who reveal those secrets choose to remain anonymous and dont reveal anything till long after they retire. As the end of life approaches fear of reprisal diminishes.

Why have four presidents including JFK promised to disclose and failed to deliver? Why did President Eisenhour, a former general, state after leaving office that our greatest threat was the military industrial complex?

Personally I have resolved to not vote for anyone who does not promise disclosure. Modern politicians evade the question so I have not voted for anyone in a number of years.

We have lost control of the military juggernaut that is trading on our dime. It is no longer a government by and for the people, only a government of the people.

When Cheny, our vice president, was asked about UFO's on a public forum he stated that if he did know anything it would be classified and he couldn't talk about it. He should have been brought to task on that one.

If we don't find a way to get control back then we will never know the truth. Too many people buy the lies for that to occur at this time.

Maybe someday I will consider talking about my late father, but not now.

Wow, how was that for a rant?

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post Mar 30 2008, 03:52 AM
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QUOTE (bart5050 @ Mar 30 2008, 02:07 AM) *
One city in medieval Europe had such a remarkable sighting that they even put it on the coins they minted. I'm surprised a debunker hasn't gone on record stating it was a 1,000 year old hoax.


When it comes to old paintings, coins, cave drawings etc, they are not likely to be hoaxed but it is a distinct possibility that we are misiterpreting what we see...wink.gif


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QUOTE (Fen Star @ Mar 30 2008, 04:52 AM) *
When it comes to old paintings, coins, cave drawings etc, they are not likely to be hoaxed but it is a distinct possibility that we are misiterpreting what we see...wink.gif


That is possible for the cave drawings. The paintings showing disks in the sky are pretty clear. You would have to say the painter misinterpreted what he, or his source of info saw.

The coins aren't that ancient. It was recorded by the scholers. Virtually the entire population were witnesses. Perhaps the entire town misinterpreted what they saw. Going on my memory of when I was studying history here, so some research might be in order. I'm not sure they attributed it to aliens. Just a metalic disk with lighted windows.

The point is that the incredable volume of sightings throughout history means you have a lot of debunking to do.

Do you think that in the fifteen billion years of history for the universe, not one race has solved the physics required for space travel?

I have studied physics all my life and I can tell you that the sum of our current understanding is barly the first paragraph of a huge volume. Even at our rudimentary level we have been to the moon and are contemplating mars. At least two probes have left our solar system.

Consider what we might be doing in a million years. Our knowledge grows in fits and starts with false paths. But it does grow. Consider two billion or five billion years. The dinosaurs were here for 160 million years. They didn't study physics. Consider the possibilities if they had.

I would have to be increadibly arrogant beyond belief to think that no other races in our milky way have solved space travel. Maybe a billion or two billion years ahead of us.

If we discovered cave men on venus, would you just walk up to the guy holding a club and a spear and say greetings, I come in peace? Bring your club and come visit at my house for a week. I think we would hide and observe for a while, maybe collect a few genetic samples.

On the time scale of evolution we are barely outside the cave entrance. You don't invite a barbarian to dinner, and neither do they. If a cave man had nuclear weapons, I don't think we would offer him rockets to carry them.

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QUOTE (bart5050 @ Mar 30 2008, 04:01 PM) *
That is possible for the cave drawings. The paintings showing disks in the sky are pretty clear. You would have to say the painter misinterpreted what he, or his source of info saw.

The coins aren't that ancient. It was recorded by the scholers. Virtually the entire population were witnesses. Perhaps the entire town misinterpreted what they saw. Going on my memory of when I was studying history here, so some research might be in order. I'm not sure they attributed it to aliens. Just a metalic disk with lighted windows.

The point is that the incredable volume of sightings throughout history means you have a lot of debunking to do.

Do you think that in the fifteen billion years of history for the universe, not one race has solved the physics required for space travel?

I have studied physics all my life and I can tell you that the sum of our current understanding is barly the first paragraph of a huge volume. Even at our rudimentary level we have been to the moon and are contemplating mars. At least two probes have left our solar system.

Consider what we might be doing in a million years. Our knowledge grows in fits and starts with false paths. But it does grow. Consider two billion or five billion years. The dinosaurs were here for 160 million years. They didn't study physics. Consider the possibilities if they had.

I would have to be increadibly arrogant beyond belief to think that no other races in our milky way have solved space travel. Maybe a billion or two billion years ahead of us.

If we discovered cave men on venus, would you just walk up to the guy holding a club and a spear and say greetings, I come in peace? Bring your club and come visit at my house for a week. I think we would hide and observe for a while, maybe collect a few genetic samples.

On the time scale of evolution we are barely outside the cave entrance. You don't invite a barbarian to dinner, and neither do they. If a cave man had nuclear weapons, I don't think we would offer him rockets to carry them.

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1) Xander my Commander, I enjoyed reading your post. I think it was well thought out and well written and I always appreciate the effort that goes into post like yours.

2) On Chapter 4: 2 words - antidisestablishmentarianist - agnostic. I believe this particular belief system is the ultimate solution to the problems you put forth. But, alas, beliefs are formed from childhood experience for most, and of course, the doctrines forced upon us as children are far from acceptable to a logical intelligent person.

3) On Chapter 2: I've been trying to get this point across here for a while now. There is just too much unrecorded history. We really have no clue what happened here on earth beyond 10,000 years ago. The Grays could actually be from earth. Earth could actually be THEIR planet more then it is ours. The reptilians people talk about here could be from Earth! Every time I think about it I get the willies. Could we just be 'guests' or 'children' of these predecessor races?

4) On chapter 1 - Well I don't think you'll get many arguments from anybody here about this chapter. Logically, we have to admit that we just aren't smart enough to know the answers to questions like "What does life really need to evolve" or even "What type of planets are more likely to harbor life". We can only have an educated guess, and our 'education' isn't very advanced in the cosmic scheme of things.

In refrence to Macdaddy's post:
Consider what we might be doing in a million years. Our knowledge grows in fits and starts with false paths. But it does grow. Consider two billion or five billion years. The dinosaurs were here for 160 million years. They didn't study physics. Consider the possibilities if they had.

Who's to say that the Dinosaurs didn't study physics? DO you really have any way of knowing that? What if the Reptilians are evolved dinosaurs? I mean, we just don't know do we, unless you have a time machine... lol

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