This is from Darlene Millican, wife of the pastor of
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>> Trinity Bapt. Church here in Sun City.
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>> I have felt for sometime now that Obama is the
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>> one person that "Frightens Me". I believe the Bible has
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>> warned us that "A man will come from the East that will be
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>> charismatic in nature and have proposed solutions
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>> for all our problems and his rhetoric will
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>> attract will many supporters!"
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>> When will our pathetic Nation quit turning their
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>> back on God and understand that this man is "A
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>> Muslim"....First, Last and always....and we are AT WAR with
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>> the Muslim Nation, whether our bleeding-heart, secular,
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>> Liberal friends believe it or not. This man
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>> fits every description from the Bible of the "Anti-Christ"!
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>> I'm just glad to know that there are others that
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>> are frightened by this man!
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>> Who is Barack Obama?
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>> Very interesting and something that should be
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>> considered in your choice.
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>> If you do not ever forward anything else, please
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>> forward this to all your contacts...this is very scary to
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>> think of wh at lies ahead of us here in our own United
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>> States...better heed this and pray about it and share it.
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>> snopes.com " confirms this
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>> is factual. Check for yourself.
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>> Who is Barack Obama?
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>> Probable U. S.presidential candidate, Barack
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>> Hussein Obam a was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack
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>> Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel,
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>> Kenyaand Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from Wichita, Kansas.
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>> Obama's parents met at the University of
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>> Hawaii.
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>> When Obama was two years old, his parents
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>> divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then
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>> married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.
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>> When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate
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>> to Indonesia. Obama attended
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>> a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two
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>> years in a Catholic school.
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>> Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that
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>> he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, "He was once
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>> a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school."
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>> Obama's political handlers are attempting to
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>> make it appear that that he is not a radical.
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>> Obama's introduction to Islam came via his
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>> father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In
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>> reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenyasoon after the
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>> divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his
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>> son's education.
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>> Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of O bama's
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>> mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama
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>> was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta.
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>> Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is
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>> followed by the Muslim terrorists
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>> who are now waging Jihad against the western
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>> world. Since it is politically
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>> expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major
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>> public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has
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>> joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay
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>> his Muslim background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was
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>> sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead
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>> the Koran.
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>> Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge
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>> of Allegiance nor will he show any reverence for our flag.
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>> While others place their hands over their hearts, Obama
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>> turns his back to the flag and slouches. Do you want
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>> someone like this as your PRESIDENT?
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>> Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's
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>> expected presidential candidacy.
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>> The Muslims have said they plan on destroying
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>> the USfrom the inside out, what better way to start than at
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>> the highest level - through the President of the United
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>> States, one of their own!
>> Please forward to everyone you know. Would you
>> want this man leading our country?........ NOT ME!!!
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AND I AM NOT A RELIGIOUS PERSON PER SAY! I WAS VOTING FOR HILLARY ANYWAY!

I read that on our bulletin board at work a few weeks ago.
They are interesting points.
I was not going to vote for him anyway, Hillary either.

SD....I agree...I wasn't going to vote for either of them anyway......but its frightening to me that there is someone out there that makes hillary look good.....

Obama is a swindler. Even when we disregard this e-mail--the particulars of which I won't vouch for--it is nevertheless scary that he has so many spellbound.

This is nonsense. If you want Obama stopped, is it a good way to go about it to promulgate lies about him when the truth is so easily discovered? The person who swore upon the Koran was Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison, not Barack Obama (at least Ellison did it at the re-enactment of the swearing-in ceremony).

Yes it is scary, I dont understand why so many are so infatutated with him. I havent heard him say any thing to make me feel he would be a good leader for this country. In fact, I havent heard any one of them say any thing. Scary times for sure.

I hope the hell he is not voted in.
Whats scary, is that he could make it.

Cricket.. seriously..you are helping spread lies and you dont seem to mind.. that disturbs me.

Im not an Obama supporter.. Im not an anybody supporter. But holy crap the antiMuslim scare tactics, the intentional deceit in the mail, the outright lies.. the allegations in it are so serious why would you not bother to do a bit of fact checking before quoting the mail in its entirety?

Obama saying the Pledge of Allegiance.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svo9mutE6TM

Obamas mother is not clearly "atheist" and his father was not religious..being Muslim in the sense that he was raised in a Muslim family.

His father was not a "radical" Muslim and Obama spent as much time in a Catholic school as a "Muslim" school ..so why no claims he is a secret Catholic? And by the way, he went to a Muslim school only in the sense that most students were Muslim, it wasnt a Muslim religious school as many have claimed.

Barack Obama NEVER has said he was "once a Muslim" and has attended the same Christian church since the mid 1980s (more than 20 years!).

Obama couldnt have attended a Wahabist school in Indonesia in the 1960s as the WAHABI movement was only introduced to Indonesia in the 1970s. Oops. Obama attended a PUBLIC school in Indonesia, not a "madrassa". Students wear uniforms, teachers wear Western style clothes.

Obama joined politics in the mid 90s.. he joined his current church 10 years before that..so clearly he didnt join for political reasons.

It took me about FIVE damn minutes to check the facts of the email (as it invited me to). Cricket.. did YOU check? Any of it?

There is a thread about fear mongering.. this is EXACTLY what Mandela is talking about.

Again.. Im not a Barack Obama supporter. But damn people.. why do people participate in this mindless racist crap? and then blame poor government on the people in government. As if the common people are any better. You get the government you deserve. You use fear mongering, character assasination, racism, etc in the political process then guess what you re going to get.

Sorry for the rant but this pisses me off.

Political aspirations were likely in place long before he ran for office. Elective office is not something someone just finds themself in one day, it is usually the fulfilment of a lifelong ambition. And that is the funny thing about the Democratic party--the politicians are all "regligious" when their base supporters usually are not. They cultivate an image of being the church-going type to appeal to the American masses.

Youre flat out wrong on that Andrew.. many, many Democrats are Church going people, or consider themselves to be. And even non church goers still consider themselves Christian..and a candidate that doesnt go to church lives themselves open to charges of being (the kiss of death in America) "Atheist". Its ridiculous to charge that Obama goes to church because he wanted to go into politics.If he had chosen his church based on a future political career he would have chosen a different church as evidenced by the uproar this week over his pastor.

Obama is not a Muslim.
His father is, but does not make him a Muslim.
Obama has been a member of a baptist church for 20 years.

Take the man for his politics and not the colour of his skin .
Or for that matter his religion.

I am a Barrack supporter and I am not ashamed of that fact.I would rather Barrack become president than Hilary and I think his policies will do America some good in the future.

I'm not a US citizen but I would be vary wary of anybody that has ties to the Council on Foreign Relations. If was was part of the process my vote would go to Ron Paul.

So you would vote against the guy who basically is an intellectual, presumably because you think the CFR is a conspiracy..and instead you would vote for the conspiracy theorist who wants the US out of the UN, out of NATO, out of the WTO, opposes birthright citizenship, defers soley to property rights when it comes to environmental issues (i.e. if I own it I can do whatever I want, the government cant tell me what I can and cant do on my own land!!..sigh)...

Thats an interesting choice.

I could have sworn that this country was founded on principles of separation of church and state. It is sad to see everybody ignore not only our founding principles, but to completely disregard the Constitution.

Truthfully, can anybody explain why they wouldn't vote for a Muslim? Or an atheist for that matter, if you are voting based on religion and not stance, then please rethink your politics.



Cricket, I am surprised that you would post such sensationalist bullshit.









Vetamur, while I have problems with Ron Paul, I also consider him to be the best choice for president. He is pro-freedom, non-interventionist, and a Constitutionalist, which are the things that are needed to reverse the current damage to our nation. I do disagree with many things he says, but most of them he wants to move the power to the states (according to the tenth amendment), not handle federally.

In fact Paul has addressed his birthright stance, he is against people having anchor babies, but he wants to make it easier for immigrants to become legal (assuming they follow all the procedures and pay taxes) as the economy gets better. This is one of the issues I have with him though, I am an advocate of open borders.

This post has been edited by ThePredator: Mar 17 2008, 03:18 PM

I didn't say that i thought the CFR is a conspiracy!
But I do think that the USA's foreign relations and policy have amounted to nothing more than bulling and self interest since the 1920's.
Whats so bad about being out of the UN the USA never pays it's pledges anyway. What use is NATO other than a few foreign bases?
I would like to see the WTO disbanded altogether.
I'll defer to you on the other two.

Thanks for digging this gem up Cricket!

It is one of the best examples to date (regarding the current US presidential race) of Christian fear-mongering, world-wide hate-mail distribution and Malicious Christian Public Lobbying I’ve seen.

And it certainly is something to ‘think about’…

The writer, Darlene Millican, wife of the pastor of Trinity Baptist Church, is implying that only People who believe in a Christian God (or at the very least, a non-Muslim God), should be President of the USA…

Even though this Great Nation specifically took Great Pains to Keep Religion Out of Government.
The old ‘separation of church and state’.

Now, for The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag thing…
(Would anyone believe the Pledge was promoted by the owner of the magazine “Youth's Companion” and written by one of his employees as part of a mass marketing campaign to Sell Flags to Public Schools back in the late 1800‘s?!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy )

Here‘s how the Pledge reads today: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Bellamy’s original Pledge read as follows:
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

NO "God" thingy at all in the original. I wonder who lobbied to have the ‘under God’ inserted?

As for ‘swearing’ (solemnly making a promise) on the Christian Holy Bible: Even Jesus tells us “Never Swear“...
Matthew chapt. 5 verses 33-37... Jesus says:
33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

In other words, when the President Elect assumes the duties of office he should be simply asked; ‘Will you do your best to uphold the principles set forth in the US Constitution…” etc and the President’s response should be a simple “Yes” or “No”…
None of this emotional religious “I swear to God I’ll uphold… blablabla!”

By extrapolation, Jesus is indicating that swearing upon the Holy Bible etc is an evil thing…

So why do U.S. Christian citizens allow this ‘evil’ into our political system?

The day I see that the only people who Officially Qualify to be president of the USA must believe in God, be a Christian and/or religious is the day I know; the USA has lost its way…

Let’s keep all religion out of politics… ~rore

This post has been edited by rorechof: Mar 17 2008, 07:47 PM

Predator, well said. Folks: what the heck is this hatred of all Muslims? Muslims are not the enemy. Our enemies of humankind should be 'extremism', 'ignorance', 'fascism' and so on. Not 'Muslims'. There are many great people, today and throughout history, who have been Muslims. Why not a Muslim president? Not all Muslims seek to spread their faith to all people, and not all Muslim leaders try to make their countries Muslim nations. There ARE secular governments led by Muslims. Islam isn't something to be afraid of.

Despite not liking Obama regardless, the concept of him being a Muslim would dissuade me from supporting him even I did agree with his politics. As a prominent country, we need to look (and of course, be) strong against opposing countries. Electing a man with a Muslim name and background to rule our country while we are at war with Muslims, and when certain Muslims have directly attacked us, makes us look foolish. I know some people may not agree with me that this basis alone is a good reason to not support him, but can't you agree that the image it presents to our enemies is still less than positive?

This post has been edited by GrabThyHand: Mar 18 2008, 04:28 PM

So if we were being attacked by christians right now you wouldn't vote for a christian president? Or are the circumstances different in that case?


We are not at war with muslims except in the very loosest sense. We are at war with extremist fundamentalist muslims who are in no way representative of everybody who adheres to the religion. Our current wars are not about religion, they are about our continued occupation of foreign lands for our own benefit, this is what people seem to have trouble understanding (probably because people like McCain keep spouting shit about us being attacked for being free and prosperous, which is bullshit).