I have discovered what I believe to be Altantis. I have mapped out the area of what would have been an area that may have been part of Atlantis. I drew the map myself so it is a rough scetch of what I veiwed from the Ica Stones which are also attached to explain my discovery. As I mention, I have drawn the area of what may have been part of Atlantis. I am not very good at drawing so what I have drawn is only a rough idea of the area that I am drawing based on the Ica Stones. Someone who is a professional map maker might be able to draw in the map better.

I drew from the Ica stones a large island. I typed on the island- Atlantis. This may have been the capital or main island of Atlantis. Also if you look at the current map of the area which does not show Atlantis, you will notice the island of Lesvos or Lesbos. My map of Atlantis shows that there was more to the island of Lesbos. Half of Lesbos had sunk probably at the same time as Atlantis sank. The island I am referring to is the large purple island just below the island I have written in as Atlantis which is yellow.This might be of interest to the people who currently live in Lesbos or to people who will be travelling to Lesbos.

The best way to compare my map to the current map is to print out both maps an look at the differences so you can notice how much of Lesbos sank with Atlantis. Other areas of the map have also changed. I am only referring to what I believe is the area of Atlantis. Other places also have been found that are not near "Atlantis" that were civilizations that sank at some time in history.

Also, you would need to know a little about history to go along with the discovery of Atlantis. King Cronus was a king of Atlantis. King Priam's treasure has a vase that was given to the king of Troy by the King of Atlantis- King Cronos. On my map I added what was once Troy which would relate to Atlantis through King Priam's treasure. Based on King Priam's treasure, Atlantis would likely be near Troy as I have shown in my map discovered from the Ica stones.

The Egyptian Isis mentioned that she once lived in Atlantis. My opinion is that the Greek Hera is the same person as the Egyptian Isis. Hera was involved in the Trojan War. Since Isis claims that she once lived in Atlantis and Hera was involved in the Trojan War and Troy is near what I believe is part of Atlantis, the study of the Trojan War might give some ideas about Atlantis- the approximate time of it's existance and demise. Information can be found at the below site:

www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_War

The map I used came from the below site:

http://www.in2greece.com/english/maps/maps.html

Eruption of Thera:

The Minoan eruption provides a fixed point for aligning the entire chronology of the 2nd millennium BCE in the Aegean, because evidence of the eruption is found throughout the region. Despite this evidence, the exact date of the eruption has been difficult to determine. Current estimates based on radiocarbon dating indicate that the eruption occurred between 1630 and 1600 BCE.[17] However, this range of dates conflicts with the previous estimate of approximately 1550 BCE based on archaeological studies utilizing Conventional Egyptian chronology.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thera_eruption

For a satellite view of the area:

http://www.lesvoscam.com/

So the area I have shown on my map might be good place to search for evidence of a sunken civilization. After more than 3,000 it is likely that whatever might have been in the area could have been covered by sand, silt, and mud. Artifacts might have drifted for miles. It is also possible that some of the people who lived in the Atlantis civilization could have salvaged the site.

Next: Also Atlantis is usually described as surrounded by circles of land. So it may be that part of Atlantis is still in existance. The area that has not sunken may have been part of the Atlantean Empire. You can look at Halkidiki on the map or the satellite view and notice it looks like what Atlantis was described as. There are 3 areas of land that extend out from the mainland. The center could have been the Hill of Clieto as described in the below story of Atlantis There are two other areas of land which partly encircle the center area of land which exends out into the water. If this is part of Atlantis then it could have been used as a sea port to allow ships to sail into either side of the center island to load or unload cargo. :

" When the great gods divided the Cosmos between them, Poseidon the Lord of the Ocean took possession of a chain of islands stretching from Spain to central America. The largest of these islands was as big as the whole of Asia Minor. When Poseidon inspected his new domain he found the islands to be more beautiful than anywhere else in the world. Every leaf on every tree glistened as brilliantly as an emerald, and the rolling pasturelands were as sleek and green as the waves of a summer sea. The flowers were so richly scented that they made the warm air as intoxicating as wine. Great herds of tame cattle grazed the pastures, the water in the streams was as clear as crystal and as fragrant as clover, while the hillsides shone with veins of white, black, and red marble and with deposits of every kind of precious metal. The great god discovered that the people of the islands were singularly handsome and intelligent, but so newly created that they had no leaders or social organisation. They had not even given a name to their island home.
As Poseidon explored the land he came to a hill rising from the very center of the largest island, and he climbed through its flowering forests until, close to the summit, he found the abode of the most beautiful woman he had ever seen. She told him her name was Cleito. The dazzling glance of her sea-blue eyes, and the sumptuous beauty of her face and form, aroused such lust in the potent deity that he conquered her without delay. She responded ardently to his power and splendour and in due course bore him ten fine sons. They named the firstborn Atlas, and Poseidon named the islands and the surrounding ocean in honour of his son. They became Atlantis while the ocean is the Atlantic.

Poseidon is the most violent and most jealous of the gods, distrustful of all mortals including Cleito, and so he isolated her upon her hill by digging three great moats around it. Each was about a kilometre wide, and separated from the others by a circle of land of the same width. Thus the Hill of Cleito was surrounded by great concentric circles of land and water. When Poseidon's ten sons grew to maturity he made them all into kings, each with responsibility for one-tenth of Atlantis. Under his orders they formed themselves into a council, led by Atlas, to rule the nation for the benefit of all its people. The Atlanteans were so vigorous and intelligent, so adept at developing their arts and technology and so industrious in exploiting the resources of the islands, that they soon established the world's first and finest civilisation. With Poseidon's permission, and under the guidance of the ten kings, they built a magnificent city upon the circles of earth surrounding the Hill of Cleito. Atlantean architects used the red, black and white marble of their county to design buildings of dazzling splendour, with the three colours artfully blended or contrasted to attract and please the eye. On the hill of Cleito they built her a great palace, and this together with the palaces of the ten kings and the temple of Poseidon all blazed with inlays of gold and precious stones.

The principle temple to Poseidon was the wonder of all the world. The pinnacled roof was so high that clouds drifted around its spires, and it contained an enormous image of Poseidon riding in his chariot attended by sea nymphs and dolphins. The unique beauty of the city, on its circles of land linked by great bridges across the circles of water, was further enhanced by brilliant gardens, groves of flowering trees, and innumerable sparkling fountains.
Great universities, observatories, libraries, laboratories and academies for people of all ages showed that Atlantis was the well-spring of human arts and sciences. Portions of the city were devoted to commerce and industry, because the Atlanteans used the discoveries of their scientists and technologists as the basis of a flourishing trade with other nations. They dug a great canal from the city to the sea, so that ships could sail right up to the water-circles and pass from one to another by tunnels dug through the land-circles.

Visitors to the city wrote enthusiastically of its beautiful women and handsome men; of the freedom they enjoyed under the laws of the ten kings; of the skilled craftsmen who wrought in base and precious metals, and of fresh sea breezes which cleared the smoke of their foundries from the air; of the busy markets where countryfolk sold the rich and colourful produce of their farms; and of the frequent festivals which brought throngs of Atlanteans singing and dancing into the streets. The greatest of these festivals was staged once every five years, when the ten kings assembled in Poseidon's temple for their quinquennial parliament. While they deliberated, stockmen drove a number of splendid bulls in from the outlying ranches and corralled them within the temple grounds. Great crowds assembled to admire these monstrous animals with their sleek hides and sword-like crescent horns, while warriors and nobleman prepared for the bull-hunt. When the parliament was over, the bulls were released and the hunters chased them barehanded through the temple grounds, dodging their charges as they attempted to seize one and throw it to the ground. At last a group of hunters would manage to corner a bull and wrestle it to the ground, and the animal was then sacrificed to the glory of Poseidon. The other bulls were taken back to their ranches and the festival concluded with a great public banquet.

The scientists and technocrats of Atlantis were not jealous of their skills and learning. They acted as industrial missionaries who spread their knowledge all over the known world. They taught the Egyptians and the Mayans how to build pyramids and the Greeks how to construct Atlantis, the sculptured figures of males which support the architraves of temples and other buildings. They spread their knowledge of metallurgy, astronomy, medicine, magnetism, and many other arts and sciences, wherever the ships of Atlantis could sail. They invented reading and writing, mathematics, agriculture, architecture, and all the concepts of human civilisation. It was rumoured also that Atlantean scientists expected to discover the mystic force which powers the Cosmos, and that when they had harnessed this force there would be no limit to human achievements.

For many centuries, Atlantis was the center of the world.
The peace and security of the nation were protected by a great army and navy, too strong to be challenged by any other country, and the Atlanteans enjoyed long contented lives of achievement and prosperity. But, about 1200 centuries ago, the parliament of the the Ten Kings began to alter its attitude towards the outside world. In one of the quinquennial parliaments, the kings decided that it was not enough for the Atlanteans to spread their civilisation far and wide. Those who benefited from the Atlantean technocracy should also become its subjects and pay tribute to their imperial masters.
Thus the Atlanteans embarked upon the conquest of the world. their ships took expeditionary forces to Central and South America, where they overwhelmed the Incas, Aztecs, and Mayas and sent rich booty back to Atlantis. Another force conquered the whole of North Africa, and regrouped in Egypt so that they might invade Greece and then sweep eastwards through the kingdoms of Asia.
In about 9500 BC, a great Atlantean invasion fleet sailed into the port of Athens, where a vastly outnumbered force of Athenians waited to resist them. When the two armies clashed the arrows flew in such clouds that they darkened the sky, the hooves of the chariot horses were like thunder upon Olympus, the brazen armour of the Atlanteans dazzled the eye and their spearheads seemed as multitudinous as wheat growing in a field.
But the Athenians fought desperately in defence of their city-state and at last the massed batalions of Atlantis faltered, fell back, and turned in headlong retreat towards their ships. The Atlantean fleet was about to set sail when the whole sky turned the colour of dry blood, and a mass of black clouds swept across it with such a dreadful sound as had never been heard before. The seas rose in gigantic waves which swallowed the entire fleet, while the whole world reverberated with earthquakes and the ocean roared and rushed from one sea to another like water swilling around in an immense bowl. For days on end it seemed the whole Cosmos would fly apart. The skies deluged the earth with water, the mountains shuddered and cracked apart, the oceans were a torment of monstrous waves. When at last the seas became calm again a few battered ships crept into port. They brought the news that Atlantis had disappeared, and that the Atlantic Ocean rolled over the place where this magnificent empire once flourished in all its glory.

Ever since those days, historians have debated the reason why Atlantis was obliterated. Some say that Poseidon was angered by the Athenian victory, and punished his people with total destruction. Others say that an Atlantean scientist had discovered the forbidden secrets of the Cosmos, and released the forces which may eventually destroy the whole of mankind." ---

The above story is long and complicated. People will need to look at the Ica stones carefully to get an idea of what I am referring to in my map as
Atlantis. It also looks like between the 2 Ica stones the island may have changed slightly over time or at least the 2 stones vary slightly in what was drawn.
What is the most interesting is that Halkidiki has been in plain sight and has not been accepted by Atlantis enthusiasts as a possible connection to Atlantis- at least from what I know. Also that the island that I named Atlantis is a large area most of which has sunken. It looks like parts of the island did not sink.

It would be great if someone could go to the sight I have shown in my rough etch map and find something that was once part of Atlantis.


This post has been edited by tye: Mar 30 2008, 07:49 PM

Tye posts: The above story is long and complicated. People will need to look at the Ica stones carefully to get an idea of what I am referring to in my map as Atlantis.
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I wouldn’t put too much faith into the claims all of the Ica Stones are genuine ancient carvings…

“The strongest evidence of fraud (regarding the Ica Stones) as claimed is the crispness of the shallow engravings; stones of great age should have substantial erosion of the surfaces.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ica_stones

I honestly think a bunch of Natives got together to make these stone engravings recently to sell to the ‘rubes’ (tourists etc.).
Some of the engravings could be much older simply because the stones are layered with a type of varnish that is etch-able and therefore would tend to be conducive for etching on now, as well as a thousand or more years ago.

But which ones are for real?
Are the stones depicting Humans and dinos living together (there is a stone apparently depicting a Human riding on the back of a pterodactyl-hmmm) etched by Humans living millions of years ago? ~rore

This post has been edited by rorechof: Mar 31 2008, 09:50 AM

To be honest, I have often wondered if Atlantis could be Antarctica today.

I can see why people would wonder if the Ica stones are real. I have found information that prooves to me that the Ica stones are real. There is information in Egypt that I can show that would proove they are real along with other information on ancient civilizations in South America.

As for erosion, if they were stored well, there would be no erosion. I am sure they did not leave the Ica stones out carelessly like junk. It took alot of time to carve out the images and they were storing historical records. I believe I can proove the Ica stones are real beyond doubt, except that I do not want to waste my time on people who have no real interest and would only debunk every word they possibly could. The only thing I can say about that is that they would fall into the category of no real interest.

The other thing about the Ica stones is why would they want to make a map that shows the area of Atlantis which now shows that parts of Atlantis have been wiped out by some disaster. There are thousands of stones that were carved with alot of scenes. One of the stones matches a story that involves Mars. I can tell the whole story except no matter how paranormal the story is and how proovable, people would not be interested. From the Ica stones you can see that part of Lesbos has sunk. The Ica stones match the area of Atlantis.

If I prooved that the Ica stones were real based on historical facts that would require satellite images, then people would say that the people who carved the stones had secret information that was passed down specifically for the purpose that they could make fake Ica stones. There are other strange facts about the Ica stones which can be prooved but are completely unbelievable.

The other part of the Atlantis story would be Halkidiki. This area looks like it matches descriptions of Atlantis.

The only real way to discover the truth about Atlantis would be if someone went to the area with sonar or other equipment or took a dive crew or submarine to see what is below the ocean. I am not sure how deep that area is. If it is not deep, the areas might just have sunk slightly due to a tsunami

King Priam's treasure should enough of a clue for anyone to be able to know that Atlantis would be somewhere in the area of Troy.

This post has been edited by tye: Mar 31 2008, 11:30 AM

SD posts: I have often wondered if Atlantis could be Antarctica today.
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Considering Antarctica has been covered by ice for presumably 15 million years, I highly doubt it was the home of Atlantis.

What do you think? ~rore

“Since about 15 mya, the continent has been mostly covered with ice,[25] with the Antarctic ice cap reaching its present extension around 6 mya.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica#Ge...nd_paleontology

This post has been edited by rorechof: Mar 31 2008, 11:24 AM

If they are correct and it has been covered with ice for 15 million years, then it couldn't be.

Is it possible then, that Atlantis is much older than thought and existed more than 15 million years ago?

The Ica stones show people riding dinousaurs. That is a separate issue aside from the suspected Atlantis map.

So when were the Ica stones made? Was it millions of years ago when dinosaurs lived or did dinsosaurs exist later than we have known of. That is what no one wants to believe after being taught that dinosaurs died out millions of years ago

The website below shows an Angkor Wat temple which has a dinosaur as part of the decorations of the temple.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2007/0115angkor.asp

So the issue of the Ica stones will likely never be settled. It will take a lot of information to understand the Ica stones completely. My idea is that the story of Atlantis helps to proove that the Ica stones are real based on King Priam's treasure. Why would they draw in an area which is suspected as being the historical Atlantis unless they knew something about the area.

To me the Ica stones are part of the story of Atlantis, the story of Egypt with the pyramids and the Pharaohs, and the South American civilizations. Back in those times it looks like people did not lead dull lives. They were always doing something and that is where the stones come in to the story. Also you can look at things like the crystal skulls. I read that experts believe it would take 300 years of work to complete one skull. So people would work on things and now we all look at these artifacts in amazement. I do not know many people today that could come up with plans to build a pyramid such as the pyramid of the sun or the pyramid of the moon and then build it from scratch like what you see in South America and other places such as Egypt.

This post has been edited by tye: Mar 31 2008, 12:21 PM

Sorry man your way off buddy, Plato said that it was beyond the pillars of Hercules nowhere near Greece.
Pillars of Hercules = Strait of Gibraltar. (spain) ???somewhere past there ???

You are right. Plato did state that Atlantis ws beyond he Pillars of Hercules, Strait of Gibralter. It does not mean that the information is correct. He may have been confused in what he was told. At the time of Atlantis the Pillars of Hercules might have been in a different location and they were later moved.
I do not believe that just because they said that Atlantis was beyond the Pillars of Hercules means that it definately was in that location. The information was passed down for quite awhile before Plato heard of the story so anything could have happened.

The only way to know for sure would be to try to check the area that I mentioned also keeping in mind the King Priam's treasure and how close the area I have shown on the map I made is to Troy. Also Halkidiki would be a good place to look at.

Even if Plato is saying that Atlantis is beyone the Pillars of Hercules, what is in the Ica stones that shows what would a large area that would also include Lesbos as being sunk- no longer in existance.

This post has been edited by tye: Mar 31 2008, 02:36 PM

The below website is interesting for information on the Pillars of Hercules

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/columbuscorrelations.html

Also other areas may have sunk besides the ones I mentioned on my map. From the sound of it, a major catastrophe occurred which effected a large territory. Information below is from the website:

http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi60.htm

Maps of the Mediterranean indicate that much of the distance between Tunisia and Sicily could once have been land. WHEN was the ridge between Sicily and the African coast submerged? At the explosion of Thera??? It is possible. The Encyclopaedia Britannica writes: "The floor of the Mediterranean consists of sediments made up of lime, clay, and sand, under which is blue mud."

On the evidence of the stone megaliths on Malta, which archaeologists say were constructed by prehistoric man - we must presume that Malta (as also Sardinian type tombs on Pantelleria Island) was once accessible by land, there being no evidence of seaworthy ships in neolithic times to get the settlers to the island to build these sites. Moreover, Malta is famous for wagon tracks in solid rock which just "end" at the edge of one of the Maltese cliffs. Did the rest of the island just "drop" into the ocean - around 1628 BC? The answer might be yes. This would explain why neolithic archaeological remains on Malta show pottery "that seems to be related to that of contemporary eastern Sicily".
The Britannica writes: "This culture came to a sudden end about 2000 BC

Information below from the website:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillars_of_Hercules

Near Gades/Gadeira (modern Cádiz, just beyond the strait) was the westernmost temple of Tyrian Heracles (Melqart), near the eastern shore of the island (Strabo 3.5.2–3). Strabo notes[2] that the two bronze pillars within the temple, each eight cubits high, were widely proclaimed to be the true Pillars of Heracles by many who had visited the place and had sacrificed to Heracles there. But Strabo believes the account to be fraudulent, in part noting that the inscriptions on those pillars mentioned nothing about Heracles, speaking only of the expenses incurred by the Phoenicians in their making.

That is true if you don't count in polar shifts. But there are plenty of evidence that the poles do not just shift between each other, but appear more "random"
There are "exotic" coral reefs in Norway, this could not happen if Norway had had the same climate as now. which suggests that it has been a much warmer climate here before.
There has also been suggested that there have been a pole around the area of Brazil at one point.

When Thera blew up the entire Minoen civilization was destroyed.

There has been speculation that this was Atlantis for decades, and it may have been.

I think that many legends are architypal memories of our past.

Legends of the flood from when sea levels rose as the ice age ended.

I have often thought that during the ice age most cities would be along the coast where it was warmer. Inland would be colder and inhabited by barbarians.

There seems to be ruins under water at Japan, India, Carribean, all over the world really. Could civilization have been lost at that time? The stone age was what man went back to when technology and civilization lost. Egyption constructions an attempt to recapture what was lost?

Could Atlantis have been a time and not a place?

The date given by Homer is closer to sea level rise than Thera eruption. The Thera eruption is closer to the description. Perhaps he mixed the two events together to make his story more dramatic.

I think maybe the fall from grace and expulsion from the Garden of Eden may be memories of the eruption of Toba seventy four thousand years ago. Science claims human population fell to a few thousand and we were nearly made extinct. The piller of fire God placed to prevent a return to Eden was the eruption column of Toba. Life was easy before Toba and became a struggle for survival afterward.

I think all of our legends have a foundation in a lost history. I would also suspect that it might be possible to recover our lost history. If aliens have been visiting this planet for as long as some think, then they know more about our early history than we do. Maybe some day we will get the oppertunity to ask.

In the straits of Gibraltar, the geologic history of the Island of the Cape Spartel (رأس سبارتيل) and its archipelago nicely fits within the tradition Plato narrates in Timaeos (Timeaus): location, date of submersion, and geography- they all coincide.

It seems possible that such a tradition could have been first transmitted to the Egyptian scribes, then to Plato himself. After 5,000 years of oral transmission, the scribes could have transcribed it as early as 4236 BC. This is the date of the first known Egyptian calendar which was based on the heliacal rising of Sothis (α Canis Majoris, the Dog Star, or Sirius) – astronomically dated and verified. Still worthy of notice is the fact that the first-known hieroglyphic inscriptions appeared approximately around that time.


Cave of Taforalt. The higher levels correspond to the archaeological deposits of the Iberomaurisian period (c. 25000-10000 BCE).




The Atlantis myth could, at least in part, corresponds to oral traditions. The only witnesses (c. 9000 BCE) of a collapsing world could be the hunter-gatherers of the late Palaeolithic. The only “certainty” we have is the geologic history of the Straits of Gibraltar. And this history tells us a “true story” that is close to the one Plato narrates. Is it purely coincidental? That’s an open question…

But – geologically speaking – if we look for an inhabited island, which was overflowed with water circa 9000 BCE, and was located further away from the Pillars of Hercules, then it isn’t a vain attempt since this island did exist.

Source: Collina-Girard, CNRS, 2008.

Greece was modeled after Atlantis. They had interaction and won over the locals to the point that Greece absorbed anything Atlantis including their art, look, you name it.

It is not that Greece was an exact copy, but they tried to be. Mimicry is the surest form of flattery.

All this occurred well before the hay day of Greece we read about in history.

Then how on earth would the Plato people write about it? (I say people because it is said that Plato's writings were by 'Platonists". ie. the followers of an original person named Plato).