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post Apr 3 2008, 11:13 PM
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Very interesting site....

http://www.biocosm.org/



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Gardner’s Selfish Biocosm hypothesis challenges both Darwinists and advocates of intelligent design, and forces us to reconsider how we ourselves are shaping the future of life and the cosmos.
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post Apr 4 2008, 01:55 AM
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It is an interesting hypothesis, but it does not seem to be irreconcilable with Darwinian evolution.
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post Apr 4 2008, 07:49 AM
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I think those ideas are on the right track.
I've got to read the book.
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post Apr 6 2008, 02:58 AM
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Darwinian evolution explains the origin of species, not the origin of life. And just as Darwinian evolution fails to explain the ultimate origin of life (although we can make a reasonable guess) this hypothesis fails to explain the ultimate origin of universes, it only potentially explains the existence of ours. Does it not also fail explain how the first universe to be amenable to intelligent life came into existence? If it requires intelligent being within a universe for that universe to spawn others (unlike biological reproduction, it does not necessarily seem to be the case that like would beget like, and instead any universe may spawn a multitude of universes of varying sorts, provided that it is first infused with intelligent life) how did intelligent life first appear within a universe? I suppose I will have to buy the book if I want the answers.

Interestingly, on that site, you will find the following:

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BIOCOSM provides the foundation for a new set of ethical imperatives and insights.

Science should not divorce itself from the ethical, legal, and social implications of new theories. BIOCOSM identifies three key ethical imperatives and insights that derive from the new cosmological theory articulated in the book:

• First, that humankind is ethically obliged to safeguard the welfare of future generations.

• Second, that a spirit of species-neutral altruism should inform our interactions with other living creatures and with the environment we share.

• Third, that we and other living creatures throughout the cosmos are part of a vast, still undiscovered transterrestrial community of lives and intelligences spread across billions of galaxies and countless parsecs who are collectively engaged in a portentous mission of truly cosmic importance. Under the BIOCOSM vision, we share a common fate with that community—to help shape the future of the universe and transform it from a collection of lifeless atoms into a vast, transcendent mind.

• The inescapable implication of the Selfish Biocosm hypothesis is that the immense saga of biological evolution on Earth is one tiny chapter in an ageless tale of the struggle of the creative force of life against the disintegrative acid of entropy, of emergent order against encroaching chaos, and ultimately of the heroic power of mind against the brute intransigence of lifeless matter. Through the quality and character of our contribution to the progress of life and intelligence in this epic struggle, we shape not only our own lives and those of our immediate progeny but the lives and minds of every generation of living creatures down to the end of time. We thereby help to shape the ultimate fate of the cosmos itself.

It would seem than that at its heart it is a political tract. To me it would imply nothing of the sort. That is either the ultimate fate of the universe, or it is not, and as far as I am concerned it does not really matter if our universe spawns another. Humanity need act only in its own self-interest, it is not our duty to create new universes.


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post Apr 6 2008, 09:52 AM
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Does it not also fail explain how the first universe to be amenable to intelligent life came into existence?


All empirical theories fail in this respect.
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post Apr 9 2008, 10:55 PM
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Here's another link which goes hand in hand with Biocosm, I think...more thought provoking stuff...

http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/

I hope that the skeptics on board can appreciate that its published by

Stuart R. Hameroff M.D.
Professor Emeritus, Departments of Anesthesiology and Psychology,
Director, Center for Consciousness Studies
The University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona

Link to Dr Hameroff's credentials...
http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/curriculumvitae.html

In other words, the guy isn't a quack pot pseudo-scientist.
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post Apr 9 2008, 11:13 PM
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From the above site...

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Consciousness is thus a sequence of discrete events, arising from alternating phases of 1) isolated quantum coherent superposition (in which microtubule quantum states are isolated by actin gelation), and 2) classical input/output in which microtubule information communicates with the non-conscious portions of the brain, nervous system and outside world. The alternating phases correspond with brain neurophysiology, e.g. the well known "40 Hz" gamma EEG oscillations.

We account for feelings and conscious experience by philosophical pan-protopsychism in which the components of conscious experience are irreducible, fundamental entities embedded in the Planck scale of fundamental spacetime geometry. Our proposal is consistent with the philosophy of A. N. Whitehead who proposed that consciousness was a sequence of "occasions of experience" occurring in a "basic field of proto-conscious experience".

Thus the infinitesimally tiny Planck scale, described by loop quantum gravity, string theory, quantum foam etc., is the authentic Matrix whose configurations give rise to conscious experience (and everything else).

The vast majority of brain activity is non-conscious; consciousness is the "tip of an iceberg". However no specific brain regions houses consciousness. Neurons may be non-conscious at one moment, and support conscious activities at the next. The transition, we propose, is Orch OR. This implies that pre-conscious activities including Freud's subconscious and our dreams are manifest as quantum information, e.g. as schizophrenic superpositions of multiple possibilities. The bizarre nature of the dream world has been described (Matte Blanco, 1971) as "where paradox reigns and opposites merge to sameness", also an apt description of the quantum world.

Thus we see consciousness is a self-organizing process on the edge between the quantum world and the classical world, and a connection between biological systems and the fundamental level of the universe. Orch OR is consistent not only with neurobiology and physics, but with spiritual traditions such as Buddhism, Hinduism and Kabbalah.
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post Apr 9 2008, 11:27 PM
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Paper published by authors Huping Hu & Maoxin Wu, submitted to http://scienca.com/index.php , 2006

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Quantum entanglement is ubiquitous in the microscopic world and manifests itself
macroscopically under some circumstances1, 2. But common belief is that it alone
cannot be used to transmit information3 nor could it be used to produce
macroscopic non-local effects. Yet we have recently found evidence of non-local
effects of chemical substances on the brain produced through it.


Link to full paper...
http://scienca.com/modules.php?name=News&a...icle&sid=25
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post Apr 10 2008, 04:23 AM
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QUOTE (iwant2believe2 @ Apr 10 2008, 05:45 AM) *
I hope that the skeptics on board can appreciate that its published by

There is evidently a deep mystery in how the brain produces self-awareness, I don't doubt that.
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post Apr 10 2008, 05:31 AM
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QUOTE (Andrew @ Apr 10 2008, 10:13 AM) *
There is evidently a deep mystery in how the brain produces self-awareness, I don't doubt that.


Perhaps the brain does not produce it but rather conducts it...or rather than consciousness operates not at the biochemical levels..or exchanges...but at the quantum level.
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