Many people theorize that crop circles (authentic ones anyway) are some form of communication or contact with alien intelligences. To some, these intelligences may not even be alien in the 'e.t.' sense but simply alien to our understanding. For instance, the communication between hive species may be alien to us but not extraterrestrial. Even so, people will argue that because these circles manifest in universal symbols that it is, at least, some attempt at communicating with us on some universally understood level. But what if the purpose is not communication at all? What if these forms are not signs at all but openings?

Through out the day, I have been returning to the ancient Vedic concept of the tattwa and the composite stupa. The tattwa is a form which represents a fundamental element of nature and the stupa is a composite of the five basic tattwa forms. In Vedic cosmology, the Stupa, pictured here

represents the fundamental organization of the Universe. Each fundamental form, or tattwa, pictured here

representing the basic constituents of the Universe. This same concept, in ever increasing complexity, is also embodied in sacred geometry. Sacred geometry begins with the simplistic forms, as shown here

that, like the tattwas, are constituents of the more complex super structure of the Universe itself, as in here

here

and here

and etc.

The Vedic tattwas and sacred geometric forms have something peculiar in common with the quantum theory. Basically, its the idea that, in actuality, as opposed to observed reality, matter (or existence) is indeterminate. Literally, space-time is indeterminate...or unmanifest (in philosophical terms). Forces acting on the indeterminate give rise to observable form...with those forms being relative to the observer (or something to that effect.)

At any rate, the Vedas teach that a student of the tattwas may enter into another realm (dimension in space-time) by literally projecting the conscious into the tattwa. So, perhaps, controlled meditations on the arch types represented by the crop circles may produce a similar effect. Perhaps they are doorways to other dimensions by projecting the conscious awareness into the symbols themselves. Sounds strange, I know, but...space-time dimensions and any travel along those dimensions would prove equally strange or alien to us. Just a thought...we could always go with spaceships suddenly landing in desolate crop fields and leaving behind artwork in the hopes of communicating with humanity...

This post has been edited by iwant2believe2: Apr 9 2008, 10:37 PM

That is an interesting idea.

i tend to think these authentic crop circle designs are not meant for us.maybe by aliens for aliens.why would they leave signs that can only be seen by air for us,..take the nazca lines for example.

Like signposts, I suppose...but then why use forms that are recognized by us?

Another aspect of crop circles and tattwas (or mandalas if you prefer) are the effects of both upon the conscious...both elicit a transcendental euphoria when engaged...with mandalas, that occurs when meditating upon them...or, if composed of a large structure, when immersed in them...when immersed in a crop circle..it invokes the same effect. I'll post on that later though.

It is said of the mandala that they are "a road map of the universe." Intending to explore "the interrelationship of heavenly bodies, the human body and the working of the mind." (http://www.iar.ubc.ca/programs/tibet/sandMandala.htm) Mandalas, or tattwas, were meant to induce transcendent states wherein the individual could explore the cosmic conscious and different realms in space-time. Adepts would do this by projecting their awareness into the symbol. However, there is another element to the mandala and that is sound.

Eastern philosophies have long recognized sound, more specifically, sound waves as the creative force of the universe. To adepts, forms arose from sound waves moving through the space-time fabric. These forms are the sacred geometrical forms which are the constituent building blocks of all matter. Not matter itself but the form of matter as it is displaced (or shaped) by the vibrations. Imagine a force pushing up through an elastic fabric. The fabric will assume a 'form'. The adepts understood this and it is in line with scientific understanding. "Physically, sound is vibrational mechanical energy that propagates through matter as a wave." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound) We tend to think of matter and energy and the former being created by the latter. This is not entirely so. There is only one 'substance' and it possesses a wave-particle duality. To adepts, there is the force (wave/vibration/unmanifest) and the geometric form (particle/matter/manifest). They are not distinct and the way 'in' is through the form itself...the outward, observable manifestation. Hence, projecting the awareness into the form.

One example is the experiments conducted by a Swiss scientist, Hans Jenny (1904-1972) called Cymatics. "For 14 years he conducted experiments animating inert powders, pastes, and liquids into life-like, flowing forms, which mirrored patterns found throughout nature, art and architecture. What's more, all of these patterns were created using simple sine wave vibrations (pure tones) within the audible range. So what you see is a physical representation of vibration, or how sound manifests into form through the medium of various materials." (http://www.cymaticsource.com/). Jenny produced geometric forms such as

Look familar? It should...




Another example is the 'voice forms' produced by 19th century singer Margaret Watts Hughes. Hughes "stretched an elastic membrane across the bell of a speaking-trumpet (a device she named the "eidophone"). Then, while someone sang or spoke into the trumpet, she drew the vibrating membrane away from a glass plate covered with watercolour paint. The resulting patterns in the paint are not random, but form geometric shapes, shell-like multiple curves or images suggestive of organic growth." (http://www.svpvril.com/svpnotes/EIDOPHONE_141378.html) And then there are the geometric forms produced with Dr. Earnest Chladni's Chladni Plates in the 1800's...

All this demonstrates what the adepts already knew...that sound vibration produced forms in the space-time fabric. And it is form which disturbs the space-time homogeneity...creating dimensions.

Further, the plant stems in authentic crop circles present with abnormalities that are caused by high frequencies vibrations.

Anyone who has done their research into the phenomena will know that this idea isn't a new one. My contention is, however, what if these crop circles are intended as huge mandalas? One does not need to look upon a mandala to be affected by it...such that the fact that the geometric form is visible from above rather than eye level is irrelevant...if that is its purpose...because a large number of individuals can be entranced by being within the circle itself. It could be meant for the masses rather than a few enlightened souls. Indeed, some of the effects of being within crop circles are identical to other large structures that are intended to produce transcendental awareness when entered into. I'll come to that next...

"He who knows the secret of the sounds knows the mystery of the whole universe." - Hazrat Inayat Khan

This post has been edited by iwant2believe2: Apr 10 2008, 09:05 PM

One larger than life mandala is the ancient Buddhist Borobudur temple in Indonesia (you can read about it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borobudur ). The temple has no known interior spaces. The intent was for the adept to ascend to higher and higher levels by physically ascending its outward levels and by consciously ascending in awareness. Thinning oxygen and forced controlled breathing (a common tool in eastern meditation to induce trance) would have produced transcendental states. Wind and synchronized chanting would have also increased the depth of the trance. The point being that the mechanisms of producing 'higher awareness' at the Borobudur were intended and the building was built precisely so.

The Borobudur is a stupa mandala, representing the cosmos, and transversing its architecture was meant to produce transcendental states of higher consciousness on the cosmic plane.

The Borobudur

Stupa Mandala


"The Windmill Temple Floor-plan" July 16th 1999 Windmill Hill Wiltshire

"The West Kennett Fractal" August 4th 1999 West Kennett Wiltshire


This post has been edited by iwant2believe2: Apr 10 2008, 10:27 PM

Extremely interesting and thought provoking theories. You put forward a good arguament

Thanks! Its all just conjecture really but no answers come without questioning, I guess.

i , in 2002 have gone to see the Crop Circles in England. The most greater part they are false, and don't have the characteristics.
On 200 Crop Circles , of authentic there will be two or three.

I would only concern myself with authentic ones.

Maybe the government makes the crop circles themselves as a way to get in contact with the aliens.

Perhaps they are like ink blot tests. A way to judge some sort of awareness in a society by gaugeing their reaction.

Or maybe they are just an unusual, but natural, phenomenon presenting in an available medium...like the designs of a snowflake or quartz..and nothing more.

Wouldn't it be nice to be able to devote your life to this, instead of being stuck in the middle of the rat race. Although I would never trade my family for anything, I sometimes wish I was born in some hut in the middle of the bush with no knowledge of any of my western life.

Oh, I would love it too, Dundee...but like you...duty and love to my child comes first. I guess, for people like ourselves, we must find a way to transverse the Borobudur in a more symbolic way. Imagine that each epoch of your life is one level leading to the next. Take comfort that you are rising to ever higher levels.

Nicely put.

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let me just ask one simple thing.
How do you tell the difference between an "authentic" crop circle and a human hoaxer with skills?

There is no such thing as a crop circle to advanced for a human to make. There are plenty of picture of crop circles that seems to advanced for humans to make, that is until you notice that it is a crop circle of for example the firefox logo.