with some references in the bible naming celestial events and miracles,and references of the gods coming from the skies,it makes you wonder who the author really was.

can you find a reference in the bible to godS coming from the sky? Id like to see it.

And Im pretty sure pretty much any religious books is going to include miracles.. and likely celestial events.

Presumably you are talking about the old testament? Are you floating the idea that aliens came to earth.. wrote a creation myth then.. gave it to the Hebrews and left?

There are any number of problems with the idea..but Im a bit weary today of my role as evil skeptic so I will just enjoy the thread.

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." Matthew 24:30, KJV

"I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him." Daniel 7:13

"BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen." Revelations 1:7

This post has been edited by iwant2believe2: Apr 14 2008, 11:48 PM

thankyou very much,wnant2believe2.

which is why I capitalized the "s"..which would be plural. GODS. And those all say Son of Man.. unless we are changing the original idea from the Old Testament being written by aliens to Jesus being an alien (which still wouldnt support the old testment being written by aliens) that doesnt help anything.

Moreover, the first and third quotes refer to future events, not past events.

Your plural 'S' seemed more like a typo. Second, your request wasn't time specific. You asked for any reference of gods coming from the skies. Speaking of both God (El, or duality, Eloah) and the gods (Elohim), Proverbs 30:4 says "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?" You may, of course, ignore the implied Elohim reference in the above verse or any implied reference of the Host of the Heavens as ascending and descending, as in Genesis 28:12-13 “And he dreamed that there was a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven, and behold, the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.” Likewise, you may ignore any scriptural reference to the Host of the Heavens, to the Elohim, the Powers, etc. simply because you do not find them directly referenced in the Christianized King James Bible. But Hebrew theology does include those references and it is not bound by the constraints imposed by the papal authority. It reaches further back into antiquity than Abraham. Taking everything into account, it is not difficult to understand why some may question from what source this theology evolved from.

If one is to believe the "Bible" is written by aliens, clearly it cant be because of a reference of FUTURE visits from the heavens. The request doesnt need to be time specific, its implied. Clearly the New Testament wasnt written by aliens as it was written in historical times. It can only be the old Testament, which predates a solid written history.

And claims of dreams do not count either. Im looking for clear cut "The Gods come from the Sky" reference.

If you take EVERYTHING into account I find it extremely difficult to question whether aliens wrote the theology. Aliens come all this way to write about a Garden of Eden.. to write petty stories of Cain and Able.. aliens come all this way, bestow their theology upon an obscure desert tribe.. but MODIFY the story and give it to nearby tribes.. in many different versions and in different centuries.. but then ignore all the rest of humanity.. Then of course is the question..if they were writing about themselves.. why would they write about themselves as Angels, hosts of heavens, wheels in the sky..even if one is assuming they somehow want to hide their origin, why would they not simply refer to themselves in a consistant matter?

Then of course is the credibility factor.. the Old Testament largely reads like an history of the Hebrews. At some point this book the ETs wrote would have to be given to the Hebrews. At which point they would presumably say "Uhm.. what?" and make some record of their history simply being handed to them. Then there are two alternatives, either the aliens have given them a made up history.. in which case the Hebrews would know this, as then the Old Testament isnt a collection of stories that have been a victim of Chinese whispers, and reject it.. or its an accurate history (which we know it isnt) and this implies the aliens were sitting there watching the Hebrews since time began and wrote everything down for them. That begs a huge number of question.

As for me.. well.. I guess Im placing my money on the Bible being a very human document.

So you mean physically written by aliens? Not just that early legends may have been inspired or wrought from contact with aliens and there after referred to as gods?

Time, for the Hebrews, began long before they knew themselves to be a people...their history comes from tales that were myths by the time Abraham arrived on the scene.

Well..the title of the thread includes the word "writes"..

now..if you want to say maybe some of the events in Old Testament were INSPIRED by contact.. well, I can understand why people might project that onto it. But the creator of the thread seems to be asking as to whether aliens actually WROTE the old testament..not inspired it.

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Well..the title of the thread includes the word "writes"..

now..if you want to say maybe some of the events in Old Testament were INSPIRED by contact.. well, I can understand why people might project that onto it. But the creator of the thread seems to be asking as to whether aliens actually WROTE the old testament..not inspired it.
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wrote or inspired makes no difference to me as i am not religious,but i think they are responsible for all religion not just the bible.and most religions have references to the gods coming from the heavens.

Well..there is a huge difference between inspired and written.. as my earlier post pointed out.

Do you have any particular reason to believe that all religions are created by UFOs? I mean, particularly since that is demonstratably false.

my belief is that alien life forms have shaped the existence of mankind since the beginning of civilisation.man wasn't easy to control,except with fear.man did not fear other men,but feared a god who could perform miracles or banish them to the fires of hell.but a rule book was required,a law if you like,that's where the religions come in i believe.but miracles had to be performed,maybe easy for an advanced race to convince the primitive people of gods and angels.maybe the aliens were missionaries.

But your.. characterization of religions is not an accurate characterization of the vast majority of religions that have existed. Your characterization seems mostly to apply to the Abrahamic religions. Tribal religions rarely had commandments or rule.. rather the society had its laws which are difficult to seperate from custom. Most religions are not based on fear. Most dont claim their validity from miracles. Most dont have an idea of hell.

And Id like more detail on your idea even when applied to Abrahamic religions. Are you claiming Moses was an alien? Were Cain or Able aliens? Or..?

i think what my point is that alien activity in one shape or another,be it sightings,actual contact,maybe even abductions have influenced the course or even the development of religion, or maybe are the creators.as for the different religions,well not everybody understands the same story,cultural and language difficulties have to be crossed.it has to be explained in a way that folllowers can understand and relate to.maybe religion is universal.