Hypothetically speaking....why would aliens feel a need to abduct humans, preform tests and mutilate animals? And why do so under the cover of secrecy?

Animal mutilations are peculiar in that they all contain certain elements of mutilation. For example, the reproductive organs are generally excised with surgical precision. The same anomalous factors can be seen in human abduction (without the gruesomeness of death and mutilation of course) in that tests are often performed on the reproductive organs. Ova and sperm are said to be extracted. Why?

Proceeding with the assumption that abductions and mutilations are hypothetically true and caused by extraterrestrials, I questioned why they would do what they do. I've come up with a few theories and, perhaps, some of you have as well. Here's one theory that I found rather interesting...

If humans were to embark on a long interstellar space journey in search of hospitable planets to colonize, it is possible that we would come across planets which supported life completely different from our own. Yet, the fact that we found planets that could support life, albeit different life systems and life sustaining systems, would certainly command our attention. We may even have begun this mission because our own planet had become uninhabitable or we were, for one reason or another, unable to return to earth. At any rate, I suspect that we would 'capture' some of these lifeforms and test them much as we do when we travel to exotic locations here on earth. If at all possible, we would return our study subjects back to their environments with as little trauma to them as possible....just as we do now when we 'tag' animals in the wild. We may also wish to study them in their natural environment unobserved...again, much as we do here on earth when studying wildlife. Certainly, we would only forcibly remove from the environment as many lifeforms as to necessary to conduct our tests. One thing which we would definitely study would be their reproductive systems.

Now, suppose we had happened upon a planet in our long journey and were eager to find a 'home' to colonize. How could we colonize this planet so different from our own? By adapting. Evolution in its natural course, however, takes too long and would not be feasible. The alternative? Genetic manipulation. By altering our own genetic structure with genetic material from this planet, we may find ourselves able to colonize and survive on this new home world. But we'd need the genetic material...specifically material having to do with reproduction...among other less important material.

Replace 'us' with 'them' in the above scenario and you have a neat little theory on alien abduction and animal mutilations. Science fiction...surely....

The reproductive organs are certainly common, but I wouldn't say the other parts are less important. I would agree that there's a possibility that the aliens are engaged in a genetic adaptation program, and in fact I suspect this is the most likely explanation. I'm also sure that not only are our animals extremely similar chemically and genetically to us, animals are part of an adaptation program us much as us.

Now as for that secrecy. Most alien activity is covert for two reasons (1) The law of non-interference. (2) The practicality of non-interference for achieve goals. Given that, they have hardly been covert when it comes to mutilations. If they wanted to be secret, they wouldn't return the mutiliated corpse to distress us. And this is where I find things a little confusing:

Why return the mutilated corpse? Do they not care that this (1) distresses us and thus interferes with our social order, and (2) exposes their secret activities somewhat.

Why?!

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There is no arguing that. But I would like to see the day when man can make his own planets. Sounds a bit far fetched but I am simply talking about terraforming. I think that you could put together a science to turn a rock going around a sun into a home. If you knew what you were doing well enough you could fix up a planet that had fallen form grace. Earth was taraformed, so it can be done.

I think a predicable pattern to explore space due to the how vast it is and travel time would be to send probes first to scout out what is around you. That way you don't send people out with no plan or recourse.



That has the ring of truth to it. But how many would you need? I am sure the answer to that is based on just what you were doing to it. Also, would we leave them mutilated? Such an act is less then humane. It would be the act of someone that had little regard for the life form. Or someone that lost regard for life all together.



I have seen these ideas put forward that robotic limbs and replacements are futuristic. Well I say there is a technology above that and that is find out how the body works and regrow limbs and parts. Parallel with that is "Genetic Manipulation". However I wounder what could be so amazingly different about planets as to make them that unfeasible? Would we consider a world were genetic manipulation was required to live there? There is that saying that goes "Desperate situations call for desperate measures".

With out a doubt I would say that any situation would need to be judged on it own, but you could also have another option besides genetic manipulation if you really wanted to live on an exact world. Taraforming You could always make it your home. Preferably you would not crush the life forms on teh world to do it. Likw picking a world that didn't have life on it.



All in all I would say it is a workable theory. However does this mean some alien race could want to live here too? Last time I looked at the genetic layout of the human body I would not be surprised if what you are talking about is basically true, and has one way or another already been done.

The only thing is the "mutilation" part of it. You could do that without the mutilation. Cells reproduce and can provide fine copies, there are ways of looking into and extracting tissue without mutilation. So what gives with that?

A very interesting idea TuTu. The one thought that enters my mind is...What about the others?
There has been at least a dozen differently described visitors involved with the abduction phenomena...perhaps more.
Could they all be doing this for this reason? Maybe...dunno.

My best theory involves a parallel Earth or Earths and our counterparts.
On another Earth we humans had an open contact long ago and for some reason have developed a genetic problem of a very serious nature. Our visitor friends there offer to help by obtaining reproductive and genetic material from another Earth...ours. They make a deal with our government(s) in order to obtain this material on a large scale and over a period of years.
A deal is made and here we are...

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In a precedent search (Chlorophyll and Biotina, 2004) the hypothesis has been advanced that the Biotina (or vitamin H) can expound a non negligible role in the interactive trial between presumed alien entities and the terrestrial environment. Says substance, therefore, it would be able somehow to find herself involved in the absurdity and anchor inexplicable phenomenon of the mutilations animals . According to my opinion the alien ones they mutilate the animals for the same motive for which they fertilize the women.

Why would they mutilate the cattle? Why not take a blood sample? You dont need to slaughter an animal to get its DNA.

And if they have the technology to get here from other star systems..why is it only in the field of biology we are presuming they are backward? Why would they not simply be able to scan a cow to get their DNA? Or take a bit of flesh from an already dead cow (which would still have their DNA)? Why would they not already know how to genetically manipulate themselves?

And why the presumed obsession with cows? But not oxen..or .. cats...? Or ostriches? And why North American cows? Cattle mutilations dont seem to happen at anywhere near the same rate outside of the Western world?

Its a good story.. I would definately see THAT movie.. but as an explanation..I just cant buy into it.

maybe it's our own people travelling back to our time,to gather samples after cattle were wiped out by disease in the future.or perhaps a local chinese takeaway has thought of a new delicassy.

personally i think the farmers are trying it on,perhaps for compensation.the other thing with these types of stories is that a yard becomes a mile.

Mutilations have pretty much been proven to be a natural ocurance (no idea how to spell that)

My only response is....how many cases have you reviewed?

I agree many are natural phenomena...but not all.

From what ive read the most common part of a cow taken are the uterus and the eyes.
Are they hard to grow in a lab? Is there something special about cow eyes?
I reason that the majority of the seemingly gory mutilations are due to a mechanical extraction.
I wonder what other animals are being harvested besides cows?

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I have trouble believing the cow thing. If you need cows farm them. Why kill other peoples cows for a few parts? Youv'e seen ome set of cow eyes you've seen them all. The parts missing are the soft parts that small prediters or scavengers would find the eaisiest to get.

There was a cop who tested it by leaving a dead cow out on a field. He watched it for days, and eventually flies, larva's etc started to work on it. The cow got "Surgical" slits on it, eyes where gone, genitalia was gone. (correct me if i remember wrong about that)

And this is the biggest basis for the idea that they have anything to do with ETs.
The flaw in this is that there have been cases where the craft was seen next to where the dead cow was found plus the many other unexplained anomalies that go with many of them, like scorch marks, depressions that suggest something with extreme weight that rested on legs, lack of insects, etc.

I would see this as evidence that helecopters and military involved. Most likly reason would be to get samples of how something in the environment is moving into the food chain. Possibly long term study on radiation from nuclear tests. Possibly somebody screwed up in a big way and something was released.

Since the study is clandestine and not through normal channels then whatever environmental impact they are studying is something they don't want the public to know about. It would be certain that if ET's were conducting such a study for a test of something they released than our government would know and be studying as well. Whatever the DoD is they are not stupid.

So if it is a valid event and not just natural predation/scavenging then DoD would be involved as primary or secondary party.

You are quite correct. I read the story when it came out many years ago.
They only considered the appearances only and found that it will occur naturally if the cattle were left to decompose. They did not discuss how this would explain many more cases where the cattle was not close to decomposition stage or the other phenomena.

This my answer all your questions,

http://www.planetinneed.com/


Have a good look through the site.

Any evidence they milked em before taking their eyes?

no, any evidence they took there eyes before milking them?

http://www.iwasabducted.com/ufogallery/abduction1.jpg

bodies are just the rejects

What would be alien to an extraterrestrial? A human, a cow, etc. The only difference may be that they detect intelligence and communication in humans but not in cows (at least not in any substantial way). I'm talking about genetic splicing, cloning, surrogacy, etc. Just remember that earth life forms may be entirely alien to any extraterrestrial. Further, going out on a limb here, these may be artificial intelligences now operating independently of their creators or over a vast distance. Its not too far a stretch to think that AI may have been achieved by a technologically superior species nor that those same AIs became space faring where flesh and blood beings could not venture.

Further, we have tendency to presume that any space faring species would be operating outside of any laws governing their actions. But why should we think this is so? Government seems to be a necessity to any intelligent society. There may be laws which prevent them from legally interfering with a 'primitive' planet's natural evolution. They may conduct their experiments illicitly at the risk of repercussion from their governing bodies. They may be forbidden to do what they do. Illicit experiments against sentient beings (yes cows)? Their laws may not allow for this just as our laws do not allow for human cloning, certain animal or human experiments, etc. Removing a sentient creature's reproductive organs or eyes may be unethical, you know what I mean? This is all just conjecture, of course.

This post has been edited by iwant2believe2: May 8 2008, 05:31 AM