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Boobles
post May 6 2008, 03:30 PM
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The following excerpts are from "The Lost Journals of Nikola Tesla".

//At high voltage and frequency, electricity flows over a surfac, even human skin, rather than into it. This is a base circuit which could be used by aircraft/spacecraft.

The hull is best made double, of thin, machinable, slightly flexible ceramic. This becomes a good electrical insulator, has no fire hazard, and has the hardness and strength of armor, besides being transparent to magnetic fields.

The inner hull is covered on its outsides by wedge shaped thin metal sheets of copper or aluminum, bonded to the ceramic. Each sheet is three to four feet wide at the horizontal rim of the hull and tapers to a few inches wide at the top of the hull for the top set of sheets, or at the bottom for the bottom set of sheets. Each sheet it separated on either side from the next sheet by a couple inches of uncovered ceramic hull.

The top set of sheets and the bottom set of sheets are separated by about 6 inches of uncovered ceramic hull around the horizontal rim of the hull. The outer hull protects these sheets from being short circuited by rain or other contaminants.

In space, the outer hull with a slight negative charge would absorb hits from micro meteorites and cosmic rays. If any object doesnt already have a negative charge, it would obtain one on impact with the outer hull, and be repelled by the positively charged inner metal sheets before it could penetrate the inner hull.

The hull can be made in a variety of shapes: sphere, football, disc, streamlined, or triangle, as long as the metal sheets are of considerable area and arranged along the enveloping surfaces of very large radii of curvature.

Electricity is fed into a number of capacitors, one for each metal sheet. An automatic switch closes and the electricity is raised in frequency by a transformer. The electricity comes out of the transformer at the high voltage end and goes by wire through the ceramic hull to the wide end of the metal sheet. The electricity arcs out on and flows over the metal sheet, giving off a very strong magnetic field, controlled by the transformer. At the narrow end of the metal sheet, most of the high voltage push having been given off, the electricity goes back by wire through the hull to a circuit breaker.

In bright sunlight, the aircraft/spacecraft may seem surrounded by hot air, a slight magnetic distortion of the light. In darkness the metal sheets glow, even through the thin ceramic outer hull, with different colors. The visible light is a by product of the electricity flowing over the metal sheets according to the frequencies used.

Timing is important in the operation of the machine. For every three metal sheets, when the middle one is briefly turned off, the sheet on either side is energized, giving off the magnetic field. The next instant, the middle sheet is energized while the sheet on either side is turned off briefly, to allow the capacitors to recharge.

There is a time delay in the capacitors recharging themselves, so that at any given time half of all the metal sheets are active and half are charging, alternating around the hull. This balances the machine, giving it very good stability. This balance is less when fewer of the circuits are in use.

Part 2: Dr. Thomas Townsend Brown and Electrogravitics. (excerpts from the book "The Lost Journals of Nikola Tesla" by Tim Swartz)

Dr. Thomas Townsend Brown, was a physics student of Dr. Paul Biefield in 1923 at the California Institute for Advanced Studies (later renamed Cal Tech). Brown noticed that when 2 plates carrying high voltages of DC electricity separated by a dialectric, the negative electrode moved by itself in the direction of the positive plate. In other words, T. Townsend Brown discovered that it was possible to create an artificial gravity field by charging an electrical capacitor to high voltage.

He built a special capacitor which used a heavy high charge accumulating diaelectric material between its plates and found that when charged with between 70,000 and 300,000 volts, it would move in the direction of its positive pole. When oriented with its positive pole up, it would loose about 1% of its weight.

He attributed this motion to an electrostatically induced gravity field acting between the capacitors oppositely charged plates. By 1958, he succeeded in developing a 15 inch model saucer that could lift over 110% of its own weight.

As early as 1952, an Air Force major general witnessed a demonstration in which Brown flew a pair of 18 inch disc airfoils suspended from opposite ends of a rotating arm. When electrified with 50,000 volts they circuited at a speed of 12 MPH.

A year later, he flew a set of 3 foot saucers for some Air Force officials and representatives from a number of major aircraft manufacturers. When energized to 150,000 volts the discs sped around the 50 foot course so fast that the subject was immediately classified.

Interavia magazine reported that the discs could attain speeds of hundreds of miles an hour when charged with hundreds of thousands of volts. Browns discs were charged with a high positive voltage on a wire running along the leading edge and a high negative voltage on a wire along the trailing edge.

As the wires ionized the air around them, a dense cloud of positive ions would form ahead of the craft and corresponding cloud of negative ions would form behind the craft. Browns research indicated that, like the charged plates of his capacitors, these ion clouds induced a gravitational force directed in the minus to plus direction.

As the disc moved forward in the response to its self generated gravity field, it would carry with it its positive and negative ion clouds and thier associated electrogravity gradient. Consequently, the discs would ride thier advancing gravity wave much like surfers ride an ocean wave.

Dr. Mason Rose, one of Browns associates, described the pricinpal of opertion:

"The saucers made by Brown have no propellers, no jets, no moving parts at all. They create a modification of the gravity field around themselves, which is analogous to putting them on the incline of a hill. They act like a surfboard on a wave. The electrogravitational saucer creates its own hill, which is a local distortion of the gravity field, then takes this hill with it in any direction it chooses at any rate."

"The occupants of one of Browns saucers would feel no stress at all no matter how sharp the turn or how great the acceleration. This is because the ship and its occupants and the load are all responding equally to the wave distortion of the local gravity field"

Although skeptics at first thought the discs were propelled by more mundane effects such as the pressure of negative ions striking the positive electrode. Brown later carried out vacuum chamber tests which proved that a force was present even in the abscence of such ion thrust.//
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I've noticed there are many theories surrounding Tesla because he was a genius, unorthodox and secretive with his work.
Do you think it's possible that he actually made some of those radical ideas work?
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post May 6 2008, 04:12 PM
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Heres where you can get plans to build a model.
http://lifters.online.fr/lifters/hexalifter/index.htm

Heres where some guy has patented his version
http://v3.espacenet.com/legal?CY=ep&LG...;QPN=WO02073218

The Nazis experimente with it in ww2. The issue has always been that there is little point in building a craft that had 2 tons lift requiring a 25 ton power supply.

Lightweight nuclear reactors may have solved that so it is possible that usaf is experimenting with it or even perfecting it.
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post May 11 2008, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE (Boobles @ May 6 2008, 10:20 PM) *
In other words, T. Townsend Brown discovered that it was possible to create an artificial gravity field by charging an electrical capacitor to high voltage.
Er, not quite.

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Although skeptics at first thought the discs were propelled by more mundane effects such as the pressure of negative ions striking the positive electrode. Brown later carried out vacuum chamber tests which proved that a force was present even in the abscence of such ion thrust.//
I doubt that.

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QUOTE (Boobles @ May 6 2008, 04:20 PM) *
The following excerpts are from "The Lost Journals of Nikola Tesla".

//At high voltage and frequency, electricity flows over a surfac, even human skin, rather than into it. This is a base circuit which could be used by aircraft/spacecraft.

The hull is best made double, of thin, machinable, slightly flexible ceramic. This becomes a good electrical insulator, has no fire hazard, and has the hardness and strength of armor, besides being transparent to magnetic fields.

The inner hull is covered on its outsides by wedge shaped thin metal sheets of copper or aluminum, bonded to the ceramic. Each sheet is three to four feet wide at the horizontal rim of the hull and tapers to a few inches wide at the top of the hull for the top set of sheets, or at the bottom for the bottom set of sheets. Each sheet it separated on either side from the next sheet by a couple inches of uncovered ceramic hull.

The top set of sheets and the bottom set of sheets are separated by about 6 inches of uncovered ceramic hull around the horizontal rim of the hull. The outer hull protects these sheets from being short circuited by rain or other contaminants.

In space, the outer hull with a slight negative charge would absorb hits from micro meteorites and cosmic rays. If any object doesnt already have a negative charge, it would obtain one on impact with the outer hull, and be repelled by the positively charged inner metal sheets before it could penetrate the inner hull.

The hull can be made in a variety of shapes: sphere, football, disc, streamlined, or triangle, as long as the metal sheets are of considerable area and arranged along the enveloping surfaces of very large radii of curvature.

Electricity is fed into a number of capacitors, one for each metal sheet. An automatic switch closes and the electricity is raised in frequency by a transformer. The electricity comes out of the transformer at the high voltage end and goes by wire through the ceramic hull to the wide end of the metal sheet. The electricity arcs out on and flows over the metal sheet, giving off a very strong magnetic field, controlled by the transformer. At the narrow end of the metal sheet, most of the high voltage push having been given off, the electricity goes back by wire through the hull to a circuit breaker.

In bright sunlight, the aircraft/spacecraft may seem surrounded by hot air, a slight magnetic distortion of the light. In darkness the metal sheets glow, even through the thin ceramic outer hull, with different colors. The visible light is a by product of the electricity flowing over the metal sheets according to the frequencies used.

Timing is important in the operation of the machine. For every three metal sheets, when the middle one is briefly turned off, the sheet on either side is energized, giving off the magnetic field. The next instant, the middle sheet is energized while the sheet on either side is turned off briefly, to allow the capacitors to recharge.

There is a time delay in the capacitors recharging themselves, so that at any given time half of all the metal sheets are active and half are charging, alternating around the hull. This balances the machine, giving it very good stability. This balance is less when fewer of the circuits are in use.

Part 2: Dr. Thomas Townsend Brown and Electrogravitics. (excerpts from the book "The Lost Journals of Nikola Tesla" by Tim Swartz)

Dr. Thomas Townsend Brown, was a physics student of Dr. Paul Biefield in 1923 at the California Institute for Advanced Studies (later renamed Cal Tech). Brown noticed that when 2 plates carrying high voltages of DC electricity separated by a dialectric, the negative electrode moved by itself in the direction of the positive plate. In other words, T. Townsend Brown discovered that it was possible to create an artificial gravity field by charging an electrical capacitor to high voltage.

He built a special capacitor which used a heavy high charge accumulating diaelectric material between its plates and found that when charged with between 70,000 and 300,000 volts, it would move in the direction of its positive pole. When oriented with its positive pole up, it would loose about 1% of its weight.

He attributed this motion to an electrostatically induced gravity field acting between the capacitors oppositely charged plates. By 1958, he succeeded in developing a 15 inch model saucer that could lift over 110% of its own weight.

As early as 1952, an Air Force major general witnessed a demonstration in which Brown flew a pair of 18 inch disc airfoils suspended from opposite ends of a rotating arm. When electrified with 50,000 volts they circuited at a speed of 12 MPH.

A year later, he flew a set of 3 foot saucers for some Air Force officials and representatives from a number of major aircraft manufacturers. When energized to 150,000 volts the discs sped around the 50 foot course so fast that the subject was immediately classified.

Interavia magazine reported that the discs could attain speeds of hundreds of miles an hour when charged with hundreds of thousands of volts. Browns discs were charged with a high positive voltage on a wire running along the leading edge and a high negative voltage on a wire along the trailing edge.

As the wires ionized the air around them, a dense cloud of positive ions would form ahead of the craft and corresponding cloud of negative ions would form behind the craft. Browns research indicated that, like the charged plates of his capacitors, these ion clouds induced a gravitational force directed in the minus to plus direction.

As the disc moved forward in the response to its self generated gravity field, it would carry with it its positive and negative ion clouds and thier associated electrogravity gradient. Consequently, the discs would ride thier advancing gravity wave much like surfers ride an ocean wave.

Dr. Mason Rose, one of Browns associates, described the pricinpal of opertion:

"The saucers made by Brown have no propellers, no jets, no moving parts at all. They create a modification of the gravity field around themselves, which is analogous to putting them on the incline of a hill. They act like a surfboard on a wave. The electrogravitational saucer creates its own hill, which is a local distortion of the gravity field, then takes this hill with it in any direction it chooses at any rate."

"The occupants of one of Browns saucers would feel no stress at all no matter how sharp the turn or how great the acceleration. This is because the ship and its occupants and the load are all responding equally to the wave distortion of the local gravity field"

Although skeptics at first thought the discs were propelled by more mundane effects such as the pressure of negative ions striking the positive electrode. Brown later carried out vacuum chamber tests which proved that a force was present even in the abscence of such ion thrust.//


I suggest you familiarize yourself about electricity and you'll begin to realize how much of that is hogwash and the reason there are so many skeptics.
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post May 11 2008, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE (SOUL-DRIFTER @ May 11 2008, 02:03 PM) *
I suggest you familiarize yourself about electricity and you'll begin to realize how much of that is hogwash and the reason there are so many skeptics.

Capacitor force has long been known. If a large voltage potential is applied across a capacitor with one plate larger than the other there is a net force toward the smaller plate.

Nobody builds capacitors with that configuration because capacitance value in farads would be limited by smaller plate with larger plate a waste of material.

You can even show this with a model.

http://lifters.online.fr/lifters/hexalifter/index.htm

The issue has always been that it is of little value if it takes a 25 ton power supply to get 2 tons of lift. Perhaps this can be solved with lightweight nuclear reactors of sufficient power. Perhaps it has been solved and we see UFO's as a result?

We might find it surprising how low tech UFO propulsion actually is, with available power being the major issue.
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post May 12 2008, 03:45 AM
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QUOTE (bart5050 @ May 12 2008, 03:11 AM) *
Capacitor force has long been known.

So? The significant claims in the excerpt are a) that it is artificial gravity and b) that it works in vacuum. For example:

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In other words, T. Townsend Brown discovered that it was possible to create an artificial gravity field by charging an electrical capacitor to high voltage.

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Brown later carried out vacuum chamber tests which proved that a force was present even in the abscence of such ion thrust.

Both of which are preposterous. They have observed a real effect, these capacitors lifting off of a desk in air, and have given an embellished description of the mechanism at work. Many people that visit this forum vehemently maintain that they are some kind of anti-gravity device.

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