The Thunderbird Wheel has been activated.

I just got back from the fifth annual ICCRA (Independent Crop Circle Researchers Association) Conference in Locust Grove, Ohio, where I gave a 1 1/2 hour presentation on the subject of my contributions to decoding the Howell, Michigan crop circles and my subsequent decoding of several elements of the overall crop circle mystery. The conference began on the afternoon of Friday, May 9, and ended with an optional tour of the local Indian mounds on the afternoon of Sunday the 11th. The tour continued on Monday, after which the remaining handful of people, including Jeff Wilson, Delsey Wilson, and Dr. John Paul DeVierville, scattered at the Mound Cemetery in Piketon, Ohio. After we disbanded, I visited many Indian Mound sites by myself on the way back to my home in Grand Rapids, which extended my arrival back home to early Wednesday evening around 7-8 PM EST.

At the conference, there was a new level of organic convergence of agreements among a majority of the researchers- a (sometimes) unspoken and sometimes spoken mutual understanding that many core elements of the mystery have been solved; universal understandings achieved through acceptance of different perspectives and information coming from many different angles, from scientists to musicians, from discussions that blurred lines between presenters and audience. By embracing our differences and avoiding pyramid-shaped hierarchies, I believe we have found the answers to three core questions of the crop circle mystery: 1)Who is making the genuine crop circles, 2)What they are trying to tell us, and 3)Why they are making them.

I'll answer question #1 as a statement of renewed and permanent personal belief to the public, resulting from new information revealed at the ICCRA meeting: The "masterminds" behind the genuine crop circle phenomenon are the spirits of our ancestors, from our deceased parents and grandparents back through the ancient Hopewell mound muilders and further into the past. Together, as a cooperative community in the spirit world, they are consciously creating crop circles to convey an overall message to their living descendants, with a universal language that could be understood globally, containing individual messages for individual crop formations layered with messages that can be found by connecting data from whole groups of crop formations together.

To physically create the formations planned out, I believe that our ancestors' spirits work together with forces known by many vague, all-encompassing names depending on the level of individuality and freedom of one's spiritual views: "forces of nature," "conscious nature spirits," "devas," etc. Those who have a more pyramid-shaped spiritual system, a.k.a. organized mainstream religion featuring an excess of ritual, conformity, tradition, hierarchy, and other traits associated with the reptilian brain, may (for now) be able to understand this if I replace the above terms under a larger umbrella name such as "God," "Allah," "Jah," "Buddha," etc.

To put it simple, I believe our ancestor's spirits plan the locations, design and timing of a crop formation, and then enlist the force I describe in the above paragraph when the time is ready to physically create the formation.

The rest is covered in my crop circle essay, which I'm in the process of expanding into a book for national release. Link to my essay, which was the basis for my presentation at the ICCRA conference:

www.scatterdome.com/howell.htm

The biggest key to cracking the crop circle code turned out to be an ubiquitous Native American legend of the Thunderbird. ICCRA director Jeff Wilson, through his meticulous and thorough research, realized that the circlemakers have been encoding the symbolism of the Thunderbird legend into crop circles to symbolically tell the story of what’s happening on our planet. Through Jeff’s revelations, which began a year ago at the 4th annual ICCRA conference with his brilliant “Return Of The Thunderbirds� presentation, we were able to collectively answer several of the primary mysteries of the crop circle phenomenon at the 5th annual conference. From here on out, the remainder of the mystery is just detail work. The overall message of the crop circle phenomenon has been decoded; however, individual crop formations have individual messages which still need to be decoded, and thus, the detail work. Don’t worry, crop circle researchers- decoding crop circles is going to be smooth sailing from here on out.

I will now tell my simplified version of the Thunderbirds legend:

Many Native American tribes used the Thunderbird legend to create a beautifully simple spiritual language to understand the nature of “darkness� vs. “light.� Firstly, they applied the story as an analogy of the daily cycle between night and day: When the sun set and night time came, the Great Horned Serpent would drive away the Thunderbirds and take over, as night time was his time. (All things associated with “darkness� are then associated with the Great Horned Serpent; “darkness� is then associated with “Serpent energy.�) When it was time for the daytime cycle to begin, the four Thunderbirds would return, forming an unbreakable circle, as seen in the Native American symbol of the “Thunderbird Wheel,� generating great wind and lightning to cast the Great Horned Serpent underground. (All things associated with “light�- love, laughter, truth, etc.- were then associated with the Thunderbird, representing “Thunderbird energy.�) Daytime was the Thunderbirds’ realm, and they would rule until the next cycle began.

A crucial part of this legend was the inherent understanding that the language of “Thunderbird vs. Serpent� does not mean “good vs. evil,� it means “light vs. darkness.� The language of this legend leads to an understanding that darkness and light must both exist in the natural cycles of life, so darkness is not the same as the loaded word “evil.� A simple understanding of this leads to other simple spiritual truths: in order to have life, you must have death to balance it out; order and chaos must both exist for the cycles of life to exist; etc. Thus, Serpent Energy is not “evil� - it’s “dark.�

Some important details: 1)Traditionally, the symbolic Thunderbird Wheel (which I’m using for my user logo on this forum, if you need a visual representation) must always move in a counter-clockwise rotation. 2) When the wheel is spun fast enough, it looks like a crop circle. 3) Many crop circles are variations on the Thunderbird wheel and the closely associated symbols of the Four Winds.

While the daily cycle of night and day is the core of the Thunderbird legend, the symbolism of the legend could also be applied to bigger-scale cycles of time, from the history of a village up through the scale of the rise and fall of whole civilizations – which is one of the sacles in which the crop circles have been symbolically telling the story of what’s happening in the world right now.

Through the story being told in the crop circles, I came to understand that we are now living in a time where – symbolically - the Serpent Energy has gotten out of hand on this planet, and the Four Thunderbirds are due to return and force the Great Horned Serpent underground, as it is now time for the dawn.

The level of convergence and agreement reached at the meeting among researchers coming from all different angles told me that the groundwork required to crack the central crop circle code in a group effort has now been solidly laid down, and the information collectively realized at the meeting will now spread throughout the world, as revelations from various ICCRA meeting attendees begin to trickle out to the public.

In our modern times, I believe that the symbol of “driving the Great Horned Serpent underground� is the same as “dismantling the New World Order before it’s complete.� I believe that the two biggest keys to dismantling the New World Order are: 1) exposing the New World Order to the brainwashed public until public awareness of their plans for global domination has reached a high enough percentage to derail the plans, and 2)Reconnecting the people of the world to the energies of the Earth and reconnecting the people into direct contact with the spirits of our ancestors, who, through crop formations, are giving us the missing information required to bring down the New World Order- information that only a spirit who has crossed over could know.

I believe the best two authors exposing the New World Order are 1)Jim Marrs, whose smoothly written, well-documented books are a perfect introduction for the “skeptic� who is in denial that a conspiracy even exists, and 2)David Icke, who takes the 3D information covered by Jim Marrs and then adds the next-dimensional level, where he reveals the New World Order’s Biggest Secret to their power- the possession of royal bloodlines by ancient reptilian entities.

I believe the leading researcher/communicator in the subject of crop circles is my good friend Jeff Wilson, who I feel is the crop circle researcher best equipped to finally get the mainstream media to take crop circles seriously; his brilliant and charismatic presentations on crop circles at the last few ICCRA meetings represent the cutting edge of crop circle research, in my opinion; as soon as we get them up on YouTube (coming soon!), any crop circle researchers who have been stuck in the same place (hitting their head against the dead end of “extraterrestrial signs�) is going to get “unstuck from the mud� and find a fresh burst of inspiration, knowing that the whole mystery is well on its way to being solved.

I am absolutely humbled and honored to have ended up in the role where I have filled in several crucial missing pieces of the puzzle for Jeff and the other ICCRA researchers; firstly, my essay has made the connection between the harsh reality of the New World Order as explained by David Icke, and how crop circles fit into that “big picture.� I have gone on to find new and simple ways to decode the messages in crop circles, which started with my decoding of the Howell, Michigan crop circles and expanded into the scale of dozens of interlocking crop circles in the U.S.A., which is covered in the second half of my essay. It is very important for anyone reading this to understand that I take very little of the credit for what has been revealed in my essay; everything was basically put in my path once I made my initial discovery in Howell, as I was given valuable clues by countless friends I have in both the spirit world and the world of mortals.

The only thing for which I will take a lot of credit is that I had the courage to go up against the Freemasons, which started by revealing to the public that the Howell crop circles had exposed the remains of some blatant, creepily occultic Masonic symbolism landscaped into the field and forest around the locations of the Howell crop formations. Consequently, I am the first crop circle researcher to end up on the Freemasons’ public “Anti-Mason� list, which exists on the masonicinfo.com website, which claims that it is not an “official� site despite the fact that the Freemasons’ official website, freemasonry.org, sends you right to masonicinfo.com on it’s “E-Mason Links� page as its #1 recommendation for reading their take on specific people who oppose Freemasonry, or “Anti-Masons.� In their entry on me, they ridicule my “credentials� as a writer/researcher and then go on to put words in my mouth by reversing my most crucial point: according to this website, I am saying that THEY are making crop circles, when anyone reading my essay can clearly see that I’m saying the opposite, that I think spirits directly OPPOSED to the Masons’ agenda are making crop circles. Considering the far-our “X-Files� nature of my subject matter, you’d think they could use my own words against me in their effort to portray me as a backwoods, uneducated “loony.� Instead, their reversal of my words showed me that I’m onto the truth; it’s a transparent propaganda technique they’re using to reduce traffic to my essay’s website, which they use to tell the public that they are “unafraid� of a loony like me. They know that many people will not bother to read my essay if they assume that I actually am dumb enough to think that Freemasons are behind the crop circle phenomenon; basically, their entry on me is a form of “damage control� on their part.

This brings me to my next idea. If a person were to check out Jim Marrs’ work and become aware of the New World Order, the next step would be to check out David Icke’s work. To connect that “big picture� to the crop circle phenomenon, I believe that my essay (soon to become a book) represents the link between the two, and thus the next logical step for someone who reads a David Icke book. The final stop in this quartet would be Jeff Wilson’s work, for those who want to learn about the cutting edge of crop circle research from the best spokesman we have. My theory on this is: depending one one’s field of interest and level of skepticism, the work of one of these four researchers follow a logical flow from one to the next. For example, if you’re interested in crop circles but afraid to read about conspiracies, the best starting point would be Jeff Wilson’s work, after which the best order of progression would be: 2) Jim Marrs, 3) David Icke, and finally, 4) my work. To sum up the four different paths I propose based on the starting point:

1) Jim Marrs > David Icke > Jim Prange > Jeff Wilson
2) David Icke > Jim Prange > Jeff Wilson > Jim Marrs
3) Jim Prange > Jeff Wilson > Jim Marrs > David Icke
4) Jeff Wilson > Jim Marrs > David Icke > Jim Prange

A flow chart could be put onto a wheel to demonstrate: Start at one researcher, spin the wheel 90 degrees counterclockwise to check out the next, and hit the other two in order to complete the fully locking information circle:

Since the connection is a complete circuit, the truth is revealed to those who complete the circuit and use their own minds to decide whether it make sense as a whole. As the public wakes up, and more and more people are exposed to the four researchers on this “wheel,� it could be symbolized by the wheel turning faster and faster and faster, until it creates the great wind and lightning needed to symbolically
�drive the Great Horned Serpent underground.�

When we reached a convergence of awareness at the 5th annual ICCRA meeting, enough where the ideas and higher perspectives achieved can now spread through the crop circle research community like wildfire, I believe that we have officially reached the tipping point that has activated the “Thunderbird Wheel� to the point where its momentum is unstoppable. In a way, the crop circles have symbolically pointed me to believe that by cracking the crop circle code and reaching a large group of dedicated crop circle researchers with the information, the symbolic, interlocking “Thunderbird Wheel� of information needed to wake up the masses is now complete, which means that the New World Order is now officially destined to fail.

Now that the Thunderbird Wheel has been activated, I have an important message to any reptilian spirits still working for the New World Order’s side through their human and full-blooded reptilian hosts: You must realize that you now have three basic choices: 1) Realize that love and truth are the mark of the winning side and join the Thunderbirds’ side, 2) Leave the planet and relocate to your colony planet(s) full of human abductees, if you really want another shot at a similarly styled New World Order somewhere else, or 3) Keep doing what you’re doing and you WILL be blown away with a great wind by the unstoppable electric momentum of the Thunderbird Wheel.

To read more about the Thunderbird wheel connections being found in crop circles, check out the following links:

http://cropcircleconnector.com/forum/viewt...767a5bb15#63333

http://cropcircleconnector.com/forum/viewt...p?p=63596#63596

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/forum/v...6b35e5689608485

Once again, here’s the link to my online essay:
http://www.scatterdome.com/howell.htm

Happy decoding.

Jim Prange
Member, ICCRA (Independent Crop Circle Reasearchers Association)

Lost interest when you mentioned Icke :/

If they were ancesters trying to send messages why use coded symbols nobody understands. Make letters and spell it.

Scatterdome,in my opinion, that is a looney idea.
Sorry.

So, did they learn this cryptic code after death and forget their native language?

I think there is a mystery associated with some crop circles since there are references dating back 500 years. And the hoaxers got their inspiration from an original.

However the solution you propose makes little sense. So a group got together and debated up a solution that pleased them?

Why not propose they are a rorshack test. Ink blots in wheat to gauge societal interpretation to judge our social development. Makes better sense, except there are better ways of doing that too. Like TV?

This post has been edited by bart5050: May 21 2008, 07:06 PM

i think they are all hoaxes of forms of artistic vandalism.we have been decotating the land for eons,nazca lines,easter island etc.now if they where gaint holograms then i would scratch my head.at the moment i'm scratching at the door to be let out.

Obvious not you cuz this thread is everywhere in the web.Think you must quote the argument.

Nice find, Captain Scarlet!

I like David Icke. He may be a loony, but he is a charismatic loony.

i do too,i wouldn't dismiss all he says,maybe the bit about reptillians is a bit too far-out for me.

Way to make me lose a little bit of my belief in the nwo theory.

Get real, that has to be the dumbest thing I have read in a while.

Since the time I’ve posted this thread on several messageboards, it’s very interesting to notice the pattern my “debunkers� are following so far: none of them dare challenge me on the facts. Nor do they dare even mention any specific ideas or specific facts from my crop circle essay, or WHY they disagree with those specific ideas. Those who express an “opinion� against David Icke or Jim Marrs on these threads have also followed the same pattern.

Are they government-hired disinfo agents? Are they ignorant? Or are they just lazy writers with a valid opinion, who have actually found specific examples of facts that I have gotten wrong, and/or have read my whole essay and have genuine, informed differences of opinion with specific elements of my theory, but still somehow think it’s OK to express these opinions publicly without bothering to explain WHY they have that “opinion?�

Here’s several examples from this thread:















Due to the brevity of all of these posts “disagreeing� with my findings, it is difficult to determine which ones are from hired disinfo agents, which ones are just from ignorant people who haven’t actually read the essay containing my theory ( www.Scatterdome.com/howell.htm ), and which ones (if any) are from people who actually HAVE formed an INFORMED opinion about my theory by actually reading the whole essay, but after all that reading, somehow didn’t think it was important to provide any specific examples of what they found so objectionable about my theory, when expressing an “opinion� against it publicly. From this lot, who is who? I say it doesn’t matter. Some of them are undoubtedly disinfo agents, while others may fall into the latter categories. But, they all end up serving the same function: they create the illusion of a “popular consensus� against the person they appear to “disagree� with, without providing any specifics whatsoever.

This thread is an update of my point of view since I returned from the ICCRA conference. The bulk of evidence that supports my point of view on crop circles is found in my online essay ( www.Scatterdome.com/howell.htm ) which details my crop circle decoding, and details the evidence that the circlemakers represent a spiritual force who are directly opposing the New World Order by revealing important suppressed information to the masses via crop circles.

An analogy: this thread is like a trailer to a movie, or maybe the first 5 minutes of a movie, with the movie in this analogy being my actual crop circle essay.

No one with a brain would let a movie review influence their decision on whether or not to see a movie, if they knew that the reviewer had not actually seen the movie, but had only seen the trailer or a brief snippet. Also, most people would not let a movie review influence their decision to see a movie if the review provided no specifics—unless the review came from a friend whose judgment they already trust. (Without specifics, how would you know the reviewer even saw the movie, unless you personally knew and trusted the reviewer?)

That being said, I now put forth a challenge to those on this forum who have so far expressed an “opinion� against David Icke, and/or an “opinion� that appears to “disagree� with my theory- a theory that has been laid out in great detail in my essay.

To those who appear to disagree with my theory:

After reading my entire essay on crop circles at www.Scatterdome.com/howell.htm, what is a SPECIFIC example of something from my essay that you disagree with, and what is the SPECIFIC reason you disagree with it?

And/or: have you found any SPECIFIC examples of facts that I got wrong, and if so, can you provide can you provide links to the example(s)?

To those who appear to disagree with David Icke:

After reading an entire David Icke book (any from the last 11 years) what is a SPECIFIC example of something from his book that you disagree with, and what is the SPECIFIC reason you disagree with it?

And/or: have you found any SPECIFIC examples of facts that David Icke has gotten wrong, and if so, can you provide links to the example(s)?

Before responding, I have a warning to disinfo agents of all kinds: the government-hired hired type, the “merely ignorant� type, and the “no details necessary� type:

I have gotten very good getting disinfo agents to expose themselves with their own words. You may want to read the following links in their entirety before you make the same mistakes these guys did:

On David Icke’s forum, I exposed two disinfo agents named “masonfree party� and “eternal spirit� starting at page 19 of a thread called “crop circles: 95% military, 5% hoax, 0% aliens,� started by “masonfree party.� Link to page 19:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread....022&page=19

On the main thread I started at unexplained-mysteries.com, I exposed several of them:
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...howtopic=126878

To date, on all of these messageboards, none of my “debunkers� have been able to follow through on my challenge- to discuss actual specifics from my theory or David Icke and Jim Marrs’ theories, and why they specifically disagree.

On that note, for the next post, I will now directly address a couple of the “dissenting viewpoints� here:

Symbols, like music, are a universal language that transcends regional barriers, unlike “making letters and spelling it.�

Furthermore, many people DO understand and have been actively decoding crop circles and making the decoding public, such as myself.

“bart5050� has just revealed that he didn’t actually read my essay before posting his “opinions.� Had he read my essay, he’d know he was asking a question that I’ve already answered. The same goes for his second post, thought I will respond to a few of his questions anyway:

Yes, I think many of them probably learned the code after death, and no, they didn’t forget their native language.

I do actually agree with the above pair of sentences.

Crop circles show up in Native American legends, such as “The Magic Circle In The Prairie� legend documented by Henry Schoolcraft. Furthermore, reports on the crop circle phenomenon can be found as early as the seventeenth century; for example, Robert Plot began to study crop circles, and release reports on his studies, in 1680.

The solution I propose makes a lot more sense to people who have actually read the details supporting my solution: my essay at www.scatterdome.com/howell.htm.

As for the “group consensus�- at this point, I should make it clearer how much of what I am writing here comes from the group understanding I perceived at the 5th annual ICCRA meeting, and how much of it is a statement of my own personal viewpoint on the subject.

At the 5th annual ICCRA meeting, I observed that an understanding was reached organically among the majority of researchers attending, as a result of the combined effect of the new information in this year’s presentations, and the conversations between attendees. While this happened to a lesser degree at previous meetings, with each year drawing attendees closer together in understanding, it was this year’s meeting where a very strong convergence occurred.

While not everybody in the group agrees with everybody else’s specific points of view on crop circles, this is actually a source of our strength; the ICCRA embraces different perspectives, recognizing that it takes all types of viewpoints to get a good “3D image.� This year in particular, I observed that a majority of attendees seemed to come to realize over the weekend that an intelligent community of spirits working with nature forces- most likely the spirits of our human ancestors- are most likely the culprits behind the crop circle phenomenon, rather than extraterrestrials.

Also, we were all shown through hard data that crop circles are frequently appearing in straight lines, and consistently appearing next to ancient sacred sites such as Indian mounds. Many of us at the conference realized that these are indeed ley lines, with the strongest example being an alignment of 6 crop formations and 2 Indian mounds, stretching from Miamisburg Mound in Miamisburg, OH to a crop formation in Oakvale, WV, which matches a ley line mapped out by geomancer Peter Champoux before the crop circles even appeared.

In my writings here, I am writing from my personal viewpoint, which is highly influenced by the group understanding described above.

It was my own decision to publicly state my updated viewpoints on crop circles, in the same posts where I write about the new group understanding I perceived at the ICCRA meeting. My independent decision, in my view, reflects what makes this group different from most organized groups of crop circle researchers- we are truly an association of independent researchers.

It should be noted that some members of the ICCRA, after discovering my recent postings on the internet announcing that we had “cracked the code,� were initially somewhat upset that I hadn’t consulted the group in this case- and understandably so, as it is a very bold and controversial claim to publicly make, and I was highlighting my affiliation with the group while making this claim and other controversial statements.

I arrived at many specific new viewpoints after I left the meeting, so many in the group were not yet aware of some of the things I had discovered since the meeting, until they found this thread on the internet.

I had gone ahead with my gut instinct to post these claims right away, as I knew that not all in the group may yet understand the reality of the reptilian-steered New World Order agenda as well as myself, and thus may not have understood my “shamanic� or “spiritual� reasoning in presenting these new ideas to the public in such an odd way, and in doing it so soon after my return from the meeting. Had I consulted first, those in the group who have not yet personally studied the subject of the New World Order (as explained by David Icke) may have asked me to tone it down, whereas I knew I needed both the spiritual/emotional power of the Thunderbird Wheel (as a powerful ancient symbol of the “Great Horned Serpent’s� nemesis) and the well-earned reputability of the ICCRA name (a group that has publicly released a great number of excellent, factually accurate and scientifically sound crop circle reports) to properly convey my new discoveries and newly enhanced opinions about crop circles to the public in the most powerful way possible. Thus, I went full-speed ahead with my claim, without any consultation.

One more post I’ll address, as a footnote:





What are you two implying here? That I did not personally post the post that started this thread, just because I used the same text to start the thread on several other messageboards? Perhaps I misunderstand what you meant…

Just to clear things up: Yes, I used the same text to start this thread that I used on several other messageboards, because there was no point in rewriting it for each forum. The info I want to convey here is the same I want to convey on the other forums, so I know that there is nothing wrong with a little copy/paste, when something I have posted on one forum is the perfect block of text to use for discussion of the same subject on another.

However, I will personally respond to some of the responses on this thread, if a response is worthwhile for one reason or another.

On that note: FYI, my next few informational posts on this forum will be mostly repeats of text I have already written on other messageboards.

This post has been edited by Scatterdome: Jul 5 2008, 02:00 PM

This title was released on June 24, 2008:


This post has been edited by Scatterdome: Jul 5 2008, 02:03 PM

For those who don't know, I'd like to point out that Jim Marrs and David Icke are basically running on parallel tracks; the main difference is that Jim Marrs carefully avoids making public statements about belief in reptilians, while he subtly “passes the baton� to David Icke at the end of “Rule By Secrecy� by stating what Icke thinks and how it may fit neatly into his (Marrs’) findings.

This means that Jim Marrs’ books are the perfect introduction to the reality of the New World Order, for readers who are ready for some real answers to explain our planet’s rampant corruption, but aren’t ready to read about the reptilians.

In 2003, Jim Marrs gave a presentation that followed the same basic framework as “Rule By Secrecy.� At the end of his lecture, he opens up a question-and-answer session with the audience. In that segment, the following dialogue occurs between 1:55:00 and 1:56:31:

MAN WITH QUESTION: Hi, Jim. David Icke had a big sold-out conference in London recently, talking about exactly the same subjects. And he also spent a bit of time on the evidence for reptilian-oriented control of the top of this native pyramid, if you like. What sort of input are you getting on the same subject?�

JIM MARRS: It’s interesting, because when you follow the evidence, you just kind of get there.