Iran have been apparently with holding information about its nuclear development.a similar story a few years ago concerning Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.which turned out to be false.am i safe to assume that this is the pretext to an invasion or an attack on iran.Both of these countries have rich oil deposits,that is the only real reason,isn't it. waddayafink?

Under the Nuclear non-Proliferation Treaty, Iran is entitled to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has told the United Nations General Assembly that Islam precluded Iran from having atomic weapons. Would he lie about his religion? Why should Iran have to disclose it's actions to the world? We all speculate about the secret projects of the USA and her allies. Do any of the NATO members disclose the true extent of their armed capability? Has Israel ever admitted to being a nuclear power?
I do think that Iran is a threat to peace, be it regionally or globally, but I am glad that someone is standing up to the bullying tactics of the USA. The world is not accountable to America. Iran has more to worry about than starting an all out war, the highest rate of heroin addicts in the world for one.
These wars are not just about oil. They are about covertly surrounding and containing Americas only opponent in the world, China. It's all like a game of chess, take out a map and look at where the USA has positioned itself. Using 9/11 as a pretext, they've installed their military and friendly governments in Afghanistan and Iraq. Part of this strategy has forced Pakistan to align itself more closely with America. Russia is supportive - it's allowing American bases on its soil. They are in South Korea. They are in Guam. They own Alaska. They are in Japan and the Philippines. They have the Pacific fleet, and they have close ties with Taiwan. China has nuclear missiles and America has just re-energised its Star Wars program. China is the second largest consumer of oil in the world and America now has it's hands on most of the taps. It can control the flow. Oil is an essential resource when fighting a war. The military cannot operate without oil. Saddam was refusing to sell oil to the USA and was only going to sell to China Iraq is the second biggest oil field in the world and now America controls where that oil goes.
China is emerging as an economic superpower, without outside interference, it is about to surpass America as the biggest economy in the world. A well-conducted war would smash China's infrastructure and production capability. Such a war would set it back 50 years.
Can you see a pattern yet to America's more recent machinations? If you look at it like a chess game, America is preparing to attack China. The way I read everything that's happened since the collapse of the Soviet Union, America is posturing for a war with China. I think Iran and Korea would be the next stepping stones to a war with China, but if public opinion is a problem here, they will go straight for China.
America will need to make China look like a rouge state and that it is posing a global threat - where have we heard that line of rhetoric before?
America will need to make China look like the aggressor, maybe a provoked attack on Taiwan? Maybe it's support for N.Korea?
Look for warning signs, ask questions like: What is he up to? What is he threatening, and why? Where might he go from there? What's his strategy?
And try to second-guess his game plan several moves ahead. Just like chess.
If you doubt this idea then I suggest searching for information concerning the permanent-dominance doctrine.

This will get you started http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/HD20Ad01.html

I just want to add this quote from the permanent-dominance doctrine:

"Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival ... that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union," the document stated. Accordingly, "we [must] endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power".

This post has been edited by comfortablynumb: May 29 2008, 11:29 AM

i don't doubt that idea,sounds feasable,but is china the real target,russia has vast reserves of gas and oil,china buys most of its from russia.So basically,Iran is another false flag operation.(get everyone looking in the wrong direction).china has nuclear capability,surely that is a great risk to the US and the West.A nuclear exchange between any country is bound to escalate further.America has always been suspicous of Russia.

Although the recent shooting down of satellites,between US and China would lend some wieght to your theory.Both flexing their muscles in space.so...yes i think i agree with you.

I think that it's been accepted that Russia lost the cold war, they were defeated economically, bombarded with commercialism and weakened with corruption. Russia has no real power or influence around the world now that worries the USA, Russia relies on the US to a great extent for its economy and it's imports and exports. China on the other hand is beginning to exert its self and flex its muscles. China has huge mining operations in central Africa, a Chinese company with strong links to the PLA pretty much controls the Panama canal, they have control over Hong Kong, a vital conduit for the worlds economies and they seriously talking about manned exploration of space. China has successfully filled the vacuum left by the old USSR and the USA will not allow it compete. The trouble is the only way they will be able to stop China's growth is to bomb them back to the stone age. It will be what WW3 is all about.

I'm quite angry at the US here...this is because a few months ago, Iran said that they are removing their weapons and would like to be taken off the US' list of terrorist countries to which America refused....

If the world labels a country as evil, they will start to hate the rest of the world...

Interesting article in the Asia Times;
Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August' http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JE28Ak01.html

to my knowlegde they hit some targets last year,although news on the media was scarce.its inevitable.More people have died in iraq since the invasion,then saddam killed while in power.how many troops do we have,or will it be carried out under the flag of the UN.you carry a UN flag you can get away with genaside,if you don't have a UN flag you will be tried as a war criminal or a tyrant.

Do you people really want to know what is the core of this problem....... Watch and listen carefully to this video

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yTbdnNgqfs8

heres what i spotted



so as i see it, if Americas going towards a war with China, hitting iran may be a very interesting strategic move in this game of global domination. if china retaliates against americas move, it gives the us an excuse to attack china, making china seem like the badguys, where america was the root of the war.. public and global support for such an attack would have been in americas favour had it not been for 9/11

From what I've heard, a nuclear war between China and the US would be hard for China. There nukes are from the cold war and are thought to be able to only make it to the west coast of the U.S. and whether it would hit its target even is unknown. Unless of course China has made new more enhanced nukes with there rise in economy.

no doubt they have... china isn't stupid.. if we can spot this, odds are china has been aware since day 1

I'm not sure on this at all but isn't there laws set by the UN not allowing the manufacture of nuclear weapons for everyone or is it just for the nations that do not already have nukes?

If there is don't you think they would have tried to prevent china,pakistan,india and korea from obtaining nuclear weapons.all this has nothing to do with nuclear capability.why make nukes when you can buy them.its to do with america's economy and oil.the current american establishment is on par with hitlers third reich.America took its technology from the Germans,and now all the oil in the Middle East.

Maybe the Israelis are going to the dirty work this time, It's being reported in the New York Times that recent military exercises conducted by Israel are directed at Iran:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/washingt...amp;oref=slogin

wait for the false flag operation first,some thing to provoke isreal or america to respond,like 9/11 or 7/7.

Wars/Conflict are like a game of chess.. but with both sides being played by the same hand..

why build china up if they are your opponent.

I think what you are looking for is the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The NPT is a landmark international treaty whose objective is to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology, to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy and to further the goal of achieving nuclear disarmament and general and complete disarmament.* The Treaty represents the only binding commitment in a multilateral treaty to the goal of disarmament by the nuclear-weapon States. Opened for signature in 1968, the Treaty entered into force in 1970. On 11 May 1995, the Treaty was extended indefinitely. A total of 190 parties have joined the Treaty, including the five nuclear-weapon States. To further the goal of non-proliferation and as a confidence-building measure between States parties, the Treaty establishes a safeguards system under the responsibility of the IAEA. Safeguards are used to verify compliance with the Treaty through inspections conducted by the IAEA. The Treaty promotes cooperation in the field of peaceful nuclear technology and equal access to this technology for all States parties, while safeguards prevent the diversion of fissile material for weapons use.

The full text of the NPT can be found here: http://disarmament.un.org/TreatyStatus.nsf

The UN/US can use chapter VII of the United Nations charter to determine the existence of any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression. It can then use articles 41 and 42 of the chapter to bankrupt your country, starve your population and invade.

Chapter VII: http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/chapter7.htm

*38 years on and we still live under the shadow of MAD.