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I just received this in my email, does anybody know if its genuine? Or is someone using Greers name in a scam.

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Renewable Energy - Free for Everyone!
alternative energy


Imminent scientific breakthroughs will eliminate your monthly energy bills (and the world's) FOR LIFE!

(Keep reading to learn how YOU can be a part of this exciting opportunity!)

Dear Friends:

IMAGINE a device that could produce every watt of energy your home will ever need.
IMAGINE this device being CLEANER than solar power, but as free as the air you breath!
IMAGINE no more dependence on oil reserves run by cartels in foreign lands.
IMAGINE no more nuclear waste or stripping of the countryside for coal.

And finally...

IMAGINE this device being available EVERYWHERE on the planet: from the apartments of NYC, to the desert communities in Africa, and even to your favorite camping destination...

"Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to evolution." - Albert Einstein

But do not confuse these exciting possibilities with mere wishful thinking. These are very REAL technologies that exist RIGHT NOW! What needs to be done is to quickly develop these technologies into actual products you can buy at a local store, allowing you to unplug from high monthly bills and unsustainable, polluting utilities.

Many of you know I have been working together with scientists, inventors and leaders in society to advance a new, clean technology energy system for 17 years. My vision for The Orion Project is to provide free renewable energy for everyone. We're getting so close to a solution, and I need your help today.

So how can YOU be a part of this?

DONATE NOW to join us on this incredible endeavor!

SPREAD THE WORD by forwarding this note to 10 others!

Your donation of $30 or more will make a huge difference.
Referring 10 friends will help us reach our goal of $3 Million in a very short time.

We currently have 6 different technologies under development. Any of them is potentially "the one" that will be the breakthrough we need. Once we have rigorously verified the results, it's a straight sprint to optimization and production. But, this is currently being done on a shoestring budget! To make this occur in 12-18 months versus 12-18 years, we need to be able to bring these scientists together. And, we need to give them the necessary tools and assistance to develop multiple technologies that will provide free energy perpetually for all people.

Imagine $10/gallon in less than 5 years.
Imagine having to forego heating in the winter or A/C in the summer.
Imagine familities having to decide between eating and being able to drive miles away to work.
Imagine having more and more pollution in the water, in the air, in your food, everywhere...

It's not a pretty future... that is why we need you now to generously donate as much as you can to develop these new technologies as quickly as humanly possible!

Cleaner than solar energy, but as free as the air you breath!

Do not delay! Share this message with ten others, and Donate today and as generously as you can afford! $30 or more makes a huge difference in our future. We soon shall stand at the finish line with our device in hand.
Toward a more sustainable and equitable future for all.

Steve's Sig - green background

PS. Your donation is tax-deductible!

"Energy Cleaner Than Solar, And As Free As The Air"
Our campaign needs you and your help. In order to bring an alternative energy device into your home or place of business, The Orion Project needs funding to build a prototype, test it and manufacture it. When you donate a small amount (even $30 makes a huge difference), we promise that 100% of your contribution goes directly to the development of an alternative energy device.

DONATE NOW

In addition to making a tax-deductible contribution, The Orion Project Team asks that you introduce us, and Dr. Greer's vision of a renewable energy device, to 10 friends and family members who are passionate about a cleaner, less expensive energy source.

REFER A FRIEND

We appreciate your support and interest and thank you for spreading the word of our efforts to others. We will share our progress on this, and other projects under development, in future newsletters. Do you know of a scientist or inventor whose focus is on alternative energy solutions? Please let us know. The Orion Project Team



Inventor Shares Energy Prototype with The Orion Project (TOP)

Mr. Bill Costantino and Dr. Ted Loder of TOP just recently Dr. Ted Loder examines inventors Pulsed Motor Generatorhad the opportunity to meet with an inventor who presented a wide range of possible technologies and prototype samples that may be capable of producing clean and sustainable electric power - without using polluting fossil fuels. If such a breakthrough is indeed possible, TOP expects to have actual data from preliminary tests within 2-3 months! (To read the full article, please click on Cutting Edge Inventor ).


We Hope You Can Imagine a Future Where Everyone - Rich or Poor - Can Have Clean, Free Energy

PMGThe technology is just around the corner. Let your imagination reach higher limits. We can move from imagination to reality.



Reality is just 1-2-3 steps away:

Refer 10 friends to The Orion Project. Your contact information will never be sold or exchanged:

1. REFER TEN FRIENDS

Donate what you can, but $30 or more makes a HUGE difference:
2. DONATE NOW

Sign up for our newsletter and breaking news about the Orion Project on our website:
3. FREE NEWSLETTER

Upcoming Lectures & Conferences

Dr. Greer will be speaking at the IIIHS Conference scheduled for July 11-20, 2008. Please check the conference website for more information.


I don't know what to think about it really, I do hope that its not a scam or Greer trying to get money.
I don't know how to put the original email up here but if you want it I can forward it to you.
It came from: announcements@theorionproject.org


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When in doubt, don't donate. Greer isn't exactly the most honest man. However, it would not surprise me some scam artist is using his name to try to get money. I wouldn't donate.


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post May 29 2008, 03:29 PM
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You can see the original content at:

http://www.mayanmajix.com/art3559.html


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QUOTE (JDorfler @ May 29 2008, 09:16 PM) *
When in doubt, don't donate. Greer isn't exactly the most honest man. However, it would not surprise me some scam artist is using his name to try to get money. I wouldn't donate.


The thought of donating never crossed my mind, but IF Greer is involved in this and it does turn out to be a scam it kind of discredits the whole Discloser project.

Edit; after looking around it seems that it maybe legit, Here is the homepage: http://www.theorionproject.org/en/

From PESWiki.com;

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Dr. Steven Green has launched a new non-profit research foundation named The Orion Project to develop new, out-of-the-box energy solutions.

The Orion Project was founded to bring together highly accomplished scientists, researchers, inventors and thinkers who have expertise in advanced energy generation and propulsion technologies. Their goal is to develop bold new energy generation technologies within the next two years that will completely replace the need for oil, gas, coal and nuclear power.

As a 501©3, non-profit organization, their present goal is to raise $3 million dollars in donations in the next 60 days (by May 16, 2008) [1] (http://www.theorionproject.org/en/breakthrough.html) to support their budget (http://www.theorionproject.org/en/budget.html), which includes salary for a team of 12 full-time engineers and inventors, along with other support personnel as well as a research facility. The campaign was launched by a pledge for $250,000 contingent on the full $3 million being raised.

An March 17, 2008 newsletter from Greer said that "this capital fund raising campaign is to enable these promising clean-technology energy researchers to be brought together in one place to build the initial proof of principle prototype to help solve the energy crisis once and for all."

For many years, Greer has been seeking to locate a technology that the previous groups he has founded (SEAS Power, AERO) could help take to market. SEAS Power offered a $1 million dollar prize for such a technology. AERO bumped that to $5 million. [2] (http://pesn.com/2007/11/02/9500455_AERO_Award/) Apparently after all these years, either no one has brought forth a technology that meets Greer's criteria, or the terms of Greer's operation have not been satisfactory to any inventors or their groups. So now Greer is establishing this new, creative body to come up with the technology themselves that they've not been able to find accessible elsewhere in their searching.

"In the past 18 years, our team has developed a database of scientific advances in new, clean tech energy systems that, if properly funded and supported, have the potential to completely revolutionize how we generate energy. These breakthroughs in physics -- so-called Zero Point Energy, electro-gravitic propulsion and other systems -- have, up to this point [in some cases], been developed and hidden in illegally classified projects in the US, UK and elsewhere. The Orion Project has identified the most qualified brain-trust of scientists and inventors who understand this new science, and are ready to come together to help solve the energy and environmental crisis facing humanity today."

"If 100,000 people contribute $30 each in the next 60 days, we will be able to open this new energy research facility and bring together some of the best minds on the planet to help solve our critical energy needs."


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"If 100,000 people contribute $30 each in the next 60 days, I will be a rich man" said Greer, when reached for comment.
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From I understand, it is legit.
He helped to start this up last year I believe.


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I have a lot of problems with Greer. There's just something mentally wrong with the man. For further reading please proceed here.


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UFOWATCHDOG.COM does not address these people objectively. They take them abart via their faults like some mad politician out mud slinging.
I don't think Greer is the bad guy they want you to think he is.


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QUOTE (SOUL-DRIFTER @ May 30 2008, 09:43 PM) *
UFOWATCHDOG.COM does not address these people objectively. They take them abart via their faults like some mad politician out mud slinging.
I don't think Greer is the bad guy they want you to think he is.


I don't agree with everything on UFO Watchdog. I think some folks that are in the Hall of Shame should be in the Hall of Fame and vise versa. But when it comes to Greer, I say buyer beware. I'm not saying he is a bad person, I'm just saying there's something wrong with him. He acts like he knows way more than he lets on, but he knows nothing. He claims he talks to folks he doesn't. His claims are very shady all in all. If anyone disagrees with that, that's fine. All I can do is put the information out there and let others make their own decisions.


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I do not personnaly know the man so I can not say for sure one way or the other.
When in doubt it is always good advice to be most cautious.


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When in doubt it is always good advice to be most cautious.


Totally agree. It's okay have an open mind, but it's not okay to have such an open mind your brains fall out.


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Would-be investors usually require a demonstration. Here we get none. In this case the individual investments are quite modest, but it is not worth just throwing down the drain. There is no description of the device that Greer claims he can build and it is a very lofty claim to say that he can create limitless clean energy. It is merely dependent your faith in the character of Stephen Greer. There are thousands of scientists working around the globe on nuclear fusion, nuclear fission, photovoltaics and other future sources of energy and Greer claims that he can make all of their work redundant. Why should he be believed? Especially when he is not being open especially open about the technology he intends to use.
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From what I understood is that the money would be used to help develope energy ideas of other inventors that would have to make an agreement with him/them.


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He says
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But do not confuse these exciting possibilities with mere wishful thinking. These are very REAL technologies that exist RIGHT NOW!

But then he also says
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We currently have 6 different technologies under development. Any of them is potentially "the one" that will be the breakthrough we need. Once we have rigorously verified the results, it's a straight sprint to optimization and production.

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"this capital fund raising campaign is to enable these promising clean-technology energy researchers to be brought together in one place to build the initial proof of principle prototype to help solve the energy crisis once and for all."

So it is mere wishful thinking. What he has are six different free energy scams. He admits that there is no proof of principle. A prototype does not yet exist because it would contravene the laws of nature.
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Of coarse your not being a bit pessimistic either.


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Call me foolish, but I think that the future will hold many pleasant surprises for you, then. smile.gif


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