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kirin-rex
post Jun 3 2008, 07:44 PM
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What are the differences in religious law between the Old Testament Laws given to Moses and the laws as expressed in the Koran?

On another thread, an opinion has been expressed that Islam is an evil religion. I completely disagree. My disagreement is called sugar-coating. Well, I respond that the demonization of an entire religion is propagandizing by people who don't even KNOW Muslims.

Are the religious rules, as outlined in the Koran, so different from those of fundamentalist Christian groups, such as the Baptists or Mormons? Having personally known Baptists, Mormons and Muslims: I don't personally believe so.

What are your thoughts?
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post Jun 3 2008, 08:52 PM
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If you follow any of the Abrahamic religions to the letter of their expressed laws you are dealing with essentially evil religions. The difference is, as I just posted in the other thread, that Christianity and Judaism have evolved to the point of ignoring what we would consider most of their (though not all certainly) "evil" traits, whereas much (though, again, not all) of the Islamic world is still taking their entire Koran at face value.
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post Jun 3 2008, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE (Vetamur @ Jun 4 2008, 02:52 AM) *
If you follow any of the Abrahamic religions to the letter of their expressed laws you are dealing with essentially evil religions. The difference is, as I just posted in the other thread, that Christianity and Judaism have evolved to the point of ignoring what we would consider most of their (though not all certainly) "evil" traits, whereas much (though, again, not all) of the Islamic world is still taking their entire Koran at face value.


However, I would go so far as to say that the majority of Muslims do NOT take their Koran so literally. Although you more likely to find such fundamentalists in Islamic States, even there, the number of psychotically devout Muslims is no greater than the number of psychotically devout Christians. I believe it is only a difference of intensity.
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post Jun 3 2008, 09:15 PM
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I totally agree there. I made the same point in another thread. Christianity and Judaism are older.. they are further along the maturation process, and also live in societies that have conflicting traditions (materialism, etc) that help moderate them. Islam will likely become more moderate with time with less extremism. In societies where it exists that have capitalist and free market economies, open information, and democratic processes Islam quickly becomes more moderate. the UAE, Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, Oman, etc
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post Jul 5 2008, 10:28 AM
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YEs. The bible predicts the future whereas the Koran does not.
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post Jul 5 2008, 05:44 PM
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Attempts to predict.

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post Jul 5 2008, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE (kirin-rex @ Jul 5 2008, 06:44 PM) *
Attempts to predict.

The old testament predicted the coming of Christ hundreds of years beforehand.
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post Jul 5 2008, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE (Mymeo @ Jul 5 2008, 11:46 PM) *
The old testament predicted the coming of Christ hundreds of years beforehand.


And some people say Jesus simply read the old testament.

I'll give you a better prophecy.
Moctezuma was given a vision in which Quetzalcoatl would come. When Cortez arrived, Moctezuma identified Cortez as the man from his vision. Cortez could NOT have shaped himself to the legend because (a) he did not know it, and (cool.gif he did not identify HIMSELF as Q, he was identified AS Q by Moctezuma.
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QUOTE (Mymeo @ Jul 5 2008, 04:28 PM) *
YEs. The bible predicts the future whereas the Koran does not.


You have never read the koran have you? It DOES try to predict the future, and it is just as "successful" as the bible.


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post Jul 6 2008, 09:31 AM
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QUOTE (Mymeo @ Jul 5 2008, 11:46 PM) *
The old testament predicted the coming of Christ hundreds of years beforehand.


Uhm..the old testmanet predicts the coming of a savior. Most Jewish scholars obviously didnt feel Jesus met the criteria and its fairly obvious he didnt. Thats why most Jews didnt follow him.
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post Jul 6 2008, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE (kirin-rex @ Jun 3 2008, 08:44 PM) *
What are the differences in religious law between the Old Testament Laws given to Moses and the laws as expressed in the Koran?

On another thread, an opinion has been expressed that Islam is an evil religion. I completely disagree. My disagreement is called sugar-coating. Well, I respond that the demonization of an entire religion is propagandizing by people who don't even KNOW Muslims.

Are the religious rules, as outlined in the Koran, so different from those of fundamentalist Christian groups, such as the Baptists or Mormons? Having personally known Baptists, Mormons and Muslims: I don't personally believe so.

What are your thoughts?


Ok this is better answered on my website http://melchizadek.conforums.com/index.cgi
But here is the short version.
Does god exsist. I say yes. We meaning all living things got here somehow. Is the bible and koran correct? NO way. Let me ask you something. Is there one thing on this planet mankind has ever touched he has not manipulated stolen or killed for? NO. The bible was twisted and formed just like the Koran to controll the masses and create wealth. Look at the Catholic church. How many religeons own there own may as well say country. How many of them own there own hit squad? ie; Vatican Knights. No the bible and the Koran have had books left out paragraphs changed senteces added for the purpose of using it as what I have stated above. This to makes 80% of the book false. I believe god did try and speak to us thru profits. But the manipulation of those words has long sence been taking place. Disclosure is going to blow the lid off religeon and this is one of the biggest reasons for the cover up.
Think, can you imagine if religeon was not here? If no one felt there was a price to pay for evil? So I feel it is a good thing. But remember it is also big business. Did you know Jesus never went to church when he was alive. Not one time does the bible tell us he did. Did you also know when Jesus sent out the 12 he told them do not ask for anything. What you need god will provide you. The churches remind us in every sermon to give.
Hmmmm. amusing to say the least.
My problem with religeon is they always tell you how god will be there for you and will always supply you with what you need. He must hate the church because they are always broke and in need. No matter how much you give them. Ever notice that?

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post Jul 6 2008, 07:16 PM
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Good post, Dark Dragon. I've often said that religion is like a 2000 (or older) game of 'grapevine'. Before many of these were written down, they were passed orally. Sometimes, even when they WERE written down, they were still passed orally. What's funny is that some of the earliest versions of the bible have been largely ignored, discarded, or in that past even destroyed as heretical because they did not agree with our CURRENT belief of what the bible says, without taking into consideration that the heretical texts MIGHT be the accurate representation of the early Christian view.
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