Perhaps I could pick a better time to post so as to ensure it is a bit more well thought out. I am a bit under the weather and on a few very good medications atm. Please don't nitpick small points. Also, longtime reader, first time poster.


Let's start off with assumed "facts" for this idea to work. First being that the government knows of, and communicates often enough with beings from other worlds. Let us also assume a "federation" of these aliens (think star trek for lack of a proper analogy). This "federation" (label it how you will, te most prominent idealogy being an "Ashtar Command" or the like) must have guidelines and restrictions for entry/protection.

Nt being a part of this "federation" leaves a planet, or race, up for free pickings once they hit a predetermined technological level. Having a populace as majorally stupid as ours would provide the gov't with more then enough reason to hide these motivations from us.

Basically,the world governments would be creating a single sovereign power not out of greed/lust for power(at least not directly), but to ensure that we are elgibile for this "federation" as soon as possible. Living as a stifled people for any amount of time must be preferential to interstellar wars we cannot possibly win, no?

Ideas? Comments? Questions? Let's hear it.

I agree that a lot of the times we assume that ETs must be some chaotic mysterious society. You are right to point out that they quite likely have a community with their own rules and hirarchy (unless, of course, they have achieved what to us will be an equivalent of some sort of demi-god status and such societies are somehow below them).

Thank you for the reply.

If an advanced being was to say outright that something was below them, then they obviously aren't that spiritualy/politically/emotionally advanced.

my2cents

What if the government wasn't some sort of evil entitiy?

it just away to gain total control.One religion,one currency,one purpose.no defectors.

for anyone that feels the government has their best interest at heart, i have some land in florida, and a bridge in brooklyn up for sale.

This post has been edited by Dr. Impossible: Jun 10 2008, 04:31 AM

You should have said"the government has its OWN interests at heart".

I feel that our visitors(some...not all) has more concern for us, than our own government does.

Let's not break this down into a very simple: For or Agianst when it comes to those who work in the government. There are good honest people that work with the government to help secure safety for others. And then there are those who only look out for themselves and families. There will be a managerie of personalities that inhabit the offices of the government. Some poeple will be good at heart, but do the wrong things. And Vice Versa. Anyone that browses this site must know that the world is not black in white, but with magnificant colors in between. I do believe there are people of power who do things to make money, or have power; and then there are people who do things to help. You have to keep on your toes when you deal with anybody, and the government is not outside this need of examination. Just don't group everyone in the government as evildoers or goodie two shoes. Their people like anyone else, and they have their own needs, wants, and dreams.

Have they covered up things? HELL YEAH, we stil can't look at the report of JFK's death until 2036. Why are they? that currently is speculation, I haven't heard one of our higher up's telling us why they do it because they mostly don't want us to know they're doing it at all. Keep your balance on judging if it is of malevolent or of beneficent intent until a patern of reasons begins to form. However, having an opinion is the start of a discussion.

How can you know your right if no one asks you if your wrong?

ah well comrades, if you found out you could have zero unemployment and transfered jobs for life...or prop up the rich with more funds at your children and grand children's expense, then it makes sense you prob them up and are kept in the dark...easy.

its called imperialism.

I am as critical of the government in some aspects as anyone. However they have established some levels of minimum standerds to the peoples benefit.

The food stamp and social security program are a effective in that we don't have people dying of starvation in the streets. This cannot be said of some countries.

Budget is controlled by congress that we elect. Presedent is elected.

The one aspect that is ongoing and out of control is the industrial military complex. Their number one task is defense. By definition of purpose they must research and understand every possible consideration, lest they overlook something resulting in unpleasent surprise. Further by definition they must keep their studies and projects clandestine lest the potential enemy learn their capabilities.

It becomes a precarious slope of what do we believe their goals and methods entail. Of course they know more about the abduction and ufo scenario than we do. It would be remiss of them to not consider every possibility. Denial is a given. I suspect that much of the denial is because they are unwilling to admit that they know little more than we do. But there is no way to know this for sure, unless we can somehow bring about disclosure.

If I assume all that you asked with no nitpickyness (<- lol what a crazy word) I offer the following:

If this civilization was bound for integration into another, in other words a merger, it would be done willing or unwillingly. In the case of willingly, lots of nice things get slipped into the culture and people say "what a nice federation" and join it. In the case of forceful takeover, its an invasion.

To put this clearer, you can't real say "Hello world, I have a few things to say. First off, aliens are real. Yep, and so are their little saucers. Second, we have been given an invitation to join their federation and we have already accepted. I know, you can thank me later." It would be a bit too fast. While teh government may have joined the people didn't.

So you would have to be told and sold on the idea before it happened.

The second scenario is more likely in a more barbaric universe. The blips appear on telescopes a day before bombardment starts. It is rather cut and dry. They basically set up their own government on top of our dead ones.

It is much more preferable that we get to choose. However this all rests on the recognition that just because we are here and posted a flag that someone else thinks that it's ours too.

This opens a nice topic. How could space be divided up politically? I think the method of getting around would play a large part in this. If "hyperdrives" or "interdimentional drives" exist then the space between planets may not mean much. Thus a border would be an area around a planet. Like 200 million miles or something. If travel is done by turning on a rocket and pointing yourself in the right direction then boarders will be placed out in empty space with a "Do not trespass beyond this point" sign.

It would likely be monitored in the same way that we do our own earthly air space. With Radar and Radio, or something to that effect.