A lot of people think the government is covering up proof of real Extraterrestrial life forms coming to Earth, but why would they? A lot of people think the same government keeping ET secret is also greedy and money-hungry, so why would it hide ET and found things like SETI and other searches for aliens?

I've seen a lot of things that point to the government hiding the truth of alien life, but when you think about it, why in the world would any government hide something so intently that it pays millions of dollars to look for what it's hiding when it doesn't need to?

None of it makes any sense to me at all, really.

Becasue paying millions to cover up allows them to make trillions.

Meaning:
If ET lands and says "Hey, we wanna be pals, here are a couple of good will gifts: free energy and the solution to end all wars." The government(s) stand to lose trillions in revenue.

Hide free energy while the economy strains under gas prices? I doubt that.
and it isn't the gov profiting on gas. Exxon makes record profits when they rise. Not the gov.

Understand that I suspect gov is hiding something as well. Just not the scope we would suspect. I think if we did have alien power tech we would be struggling to understand it. Give Columbus the plans and an unlimited budget and ask him to build a nuclear submarine to discover america with. Not going to happen. Does not have the tools to make the tools.

The reason for secrecy is to try for military superiority. Also concern that other countries might get one and solve it first. There is also another consideration. If you cannot gain mastery over your own skies because aliens had superior tech, then you might want to keep that a secret until such time as you could gain technical equality.

Would you expect the gov to say aliens are getting genetic material, and kidnapping citizens for study. We just can't do anything about it. No, they would not admit anything if they could help it until such time as they could dictate to the aliens what will be here on our own planet.

It might be different if citizens were being murdered, but they seem to be returning them unharmed, just a little psychalogical trauma.

Not saying its all true, or that I know. Just making a logical what if consideration.

On the economic note. Who says that free energy would be free? Even if you had a zero point energy machine that could provide energy for 100 years without energy input, the cost of building the thing would be an initial cost to pay for. Expensive enough to build and the power company still has a monopoly.

If it were cheap and easy to build then they would be everywhere. The concept of zero point energy is not new. Just that no one has come up with a way to get much out of it or make it practical.

I understand about our technological limitations with regard to free energy, but if we are talking about an advanced civilization, they may have found a way to achieve it and teach us how to use it as easy as we could teach the first cave man to build a fire using sticks & stones.

Incidently, the gov does indeed make great deals of money off of high-priced oil straining the economy. Exxon-Mobile posted $10.4 Billion profits--- PROFITS--- this first quarter. Who do they pay taxes to for all that income? Before they can make one dime of profit they must pay their taxes. Who do they pay import fees to? Who do they pay environmental fees to? Who do they pay impact fees to? Who do they pay employee taxes to? Who do they pay property taxes to? Who do they pay usage taxes to? Who do they pay regulation fees to? Who do they pay federal permit fees & taxes to? Etc.

Us sheeple who pay for millions of gallons of fuel every day... who do we pay taxes to for that fuel? I'm not just talking about state sales tax, but all the federal impact fees, environmental fees, etc.

There is even more money to be made from war profiteering. If there was a way, probably a simple way right in front of our eyes, to stop all wars-- think of all the trillions (with a "T") of $$$$$ that would no longer be going to the gov for military/security/maintenance of such/intelligence (which would be unecessary) and all the supporting industries which, again, all pay billions a year in taxes to... wait for it... the government.

Of course, this is all just my opinion.

The Admiral

Maybe the possibility of mass chaos?

bart5050, I've got to pull you up on the first paragraph of your post. You posted,
"Hide free energy while the economy strains under gas prices"? "I doubt that, and it isn't the gov profiting on gas". "Exxon makes record profits when they rise, not the gov".
The Government makes money from the taxes it imposes on companies. The more money a company makes in profit, the more money the government receives in company taxes. So yes, it would make sense for a Government, any government, to keep quiet about technology that made them money by denying its existance.
In recent years the huge leaps in technology were just a normal progression of scientific know-how , were they? Stealth aircraft being just one example. Do you not think that there is a distinct possibility that a lot of the technology in the hands of the U.S. Militery could have come from back-engineering "downed alien craft"? If this really is the case then there is no way the government is going to admit to it. As for keeping their secrets from the Aliens until we reach the technological level of the Aliens themselves, well that is ridiculous. Are you implying that the Aliens themselves are not progressing in their developement? Are they just stagnating until such time as we can "catch them up"?
Humans and Aliens are at different levels of developement in all aspects, technologically, physically, mentally and morally. I would guess that some Alien Races may be as much as 1,000,000 years more advanced than we are. Humans may close the gap slightly but they will never catch up or surpass any Race that has had a head start on us and is continuing to develope/evolve.

If you follow a dollars through everything you find the gov gets 90% no matter what.

Get paid and pay income tax. Buy products and pay sales tax. Store where you bought product pays employee where incomr tax taken out. Pays for product from mfg plus transportation. Gas and road use tax, license fee on truck.

Store then sends dividends to stockholders who pay capitol gain tax. Stor declares end of year profit and pays corporate tax.

Everytime money changes hands it is taxed. The taxes are taxed. If you get right down to it the gov prints the money and gets ninty percent of it back in taxes.

If there were free energy then peope would have more disposable income. They would spend it and it would continue to feed the tax cycle.

It dosn't matter how the money is spent, everytime it changes hands it is taxed. Free energy would not affect the gov tax income in any significant way. And if it did, they would just change the tax percentages.

The government is the only entity that is not affected by changes to industry. Changes in technology bankrupts companies not quick enough to adapt and opens new oppertunities for others.

The gov gets their tax no matter what.

If the government is getting all this money from war and gas prices, I'm surprised that we still have trillions of dollars in debt. Imagine if we could make a machine that can make enough energy for an entire nation with nearly no input needed; do you think we'd keep it secret so we can say "HA! WE'RE BETTER THAN YOU!" or would we sell it for the money we'd get? Offer a developing country that is just getting industry the perfect energy-making machine, they'd pay any price probably. Any country would.

I agree that it's hiding some things, I just don't think their secretly talking to ET and making intergalactic phone calls to talk to their friends in the Andromeda galaxy.

It really doesn't make sense to me still, but it's starting to make more sense.

As for the military, that's more of a lose. War gives money to the government, yes, but not for anything that makes them wealthier; it's to better our army. Without war we'd be able to keep that money in our government instead of spend it on weapons, wouldn't we?

I don't think the government would fund all it does if it could easily just ask ET for a moon base. I know if I were in charge and knew the truth, there is a chance I'd keep it secret, but if I kept it secret I wouldn't spend million of trillions of dollars daily when I don't need to to find out.

In a sense, maybe the government does know more than they say; I just don't think that it's a lot more. Maybe a little bit of things we don't know and maybe should, but nothing life and death I think. Maybe the governments of the world are waiting until our space agencies like NASA and the European Space Agency and the likes find life elsewhere without ET coming down and saying "Howdy, ya'll!" or something.

All in all, if the government is hiding something such as contact with aliens and stuff, the aliens must be in on no one else knowing, otherwise how would the government stop them from coming down and saying "Hi, people of Sol Three! We come in peace!" or something?

Maybe the government didn't decide to hide it, but the ETs that it's supposedly hiding from the public is the reason they are, because they don't want us to know.

There is a thread here on the lost tribe found in the Amazon. Here is the link.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080529/sc_nm/brazil_tribe_dc

Note in the pixs the natives are aiming their bows and arrows at the hellicopter. To them we are the aliens?

Would you by accident or intent allow a rifle capable of damaging a hellicopter to fall into their hands?
Would you land and attempt to casually invite them to dinner?

The aliens aren't staying hidden, UFO's are seen and filmed. They don't hand over technology or invite us to dinner either. We would assume they have experience with less developed races and have an SOP for observing us.

Look at chernobyl, we cannot be trusted with our own technology, much less tech we do not understand.
And we have a tendency to shoot first and ask questions later.

Their agenda is to their own purpose and considerations of our thoghts are of little concern to them.

As to the money. The gov spends it faster than they get it. It goes back out in saleries, defense contractors, fuel, research grants, department budgets, and things we can only imagine.

Nobody is keeping it much anywhere, it stays in constant flow. Even people worth great a deal of money like Buffet do not hold all that worth in ready cash. Much of their worth is in assets like stocks, investments etc. Although some would still be comfortable if the stock market crashed, many millionaires would become paupers overnight.

For those of you who think the government is hiding it because they make money off of gas, and aliens could have given us free energy: your fools. the governement doesn't raise the price of gas, the companies do. don't raise your fist to the wrong people now, it makes you look bad. you have to understand basic economy. you all have had a 9th grade education, right?

company find oil - company sell oil - company ceo get greedy - company sell for higher price than it is actualy worth - government collect taxes - government still roke and in trillions of dollars in debt because they hardly get anything from taxes, which is why they tax everything. - oil tycoons are uber rich.

That sums things up in a simplistic way. I could have gone into further details, but it ores me.

The governments are not into it for money. The annual US budget is in the trillions.

Its knowledge & Power . If you get enough of that, you can have whatever you want.

Its not about money, power, or control.

It is about possible defense applications.
It is also about not willing to let the public know that our military is powerless to interfere with whatever et wants to do.

More about confessing a lack of power.

And to have advanced technology is power. To have secret knowledge is also power.
No it will not be enough perhaps to counter anything ET, but it is enough for Earth.
Power and control is what the government has exercised over their secrets, influencing industry and people to do or not to do certain things that suit their agenda.
Maybe this is due to an ET influence or a combination of reasons...dunno.
I see it as power and control, in the name of Defence or National Security.

this is a bulletin i posted that mite be a possibility... tell me wut u think btw

I'm new here but i do have theories regarding the alien and ufo phenomenon.

If there is indeed a cover up on extraterrestrials and ufo's there must be a very good reason behind it. Personally I do not believe in a new World Order, the Illuminati, or that planet nibiru crap, instead I am more interested in the profoundness of actual beings from another world visiting our planet.However despite that porofoundness there would be many ramphifications from an official first contact of extraterrestrial origin. Humans are violent by nature there are many different religions, cultures, customes, etc throughout the world. The cultural divisions that plague humanity would be our downfall in a first contact scenerio. 9/11 was caused by a radical sect of Islam, imagine the implications that would accompany an official first contact. There would be an uproar within the catholic and Christian churchs, everyone religious person on Earth would either question their faith or act on the more radical forms of it such as terrorism. Not only religion but panic is more than likely to effect every major country on the planet. History has proven this exact scenerio in the H.G. Wells radio drams in the late 1930's. people paniced, imagine that panic 100 times greater in every nation state on the planet. In truth we are not ready for such a revelation. While the individual may be ready to learn of the existence of life outside our world, humanity as a whole would not be. Whether the aliens intentions are good or evil humanity as a whole is suffice to say too primitive as a society to grasp and comprehend the significgance of first contact. If you think of it from a historical stand point our society is not that much different from the Romans. The Romans are a fine comparison to our society today. They had Democracy, entertainment (theaters and plays the mirrored by television presently), various religions, and power hungry rulers. While we may think we are more advanced than the Roman's due top our superior technology level that is not true. Technologically yes we are but socially we are not. We still steal, we still murder out of hate, greed, or jealousy. There are divisions in our society i.e. democrats and republicans, Christians and Jews. And wars which kill thousands every year. We do not deserve the biggest revelation in history. A race advancd enough to travel amongst the stars and travel light years to our planet would be far more advanced than us sociologically as well. There wouldnt be social divisions within their society, there wouldnt be wars, every being within that species would work to the betterment of their race. That alien society to which i speak is what the human race must live up to. Some may call it communism, some may call it a Utopian Society, but ultimately it is the true goal towards a true advance civilization. If this is true our government would know this, the aliens would know this, and they would wait until the human race is ready for First Contact.

nah man... those are facts.

The gov't lies. Mainly in this area (hypothetically a very real scenario) due to not being in total control. If ETs were in existence, some may seek to follow or more aptly take direction from them. And, possibly not rely upon governing bodies at all. Also, in this case, since ETs couldn't be swayed by greed and other power offers, it could topple the upper crust we now enjoy as our leaders.
As far as SETI, if they're looking, and don't see; isn't it grand as proof of non-existence? Besides, some speculate SETI did receive a signal of some sorts, due to their reaction of spontaneous downing of equipment a couple of years back. The entire array went down, and since each is of a module nature, that is independent, it seems odd.

"Need to know" is becoming the new basis for acting the part of superior knowledge in these cases. Where those whom get budgeted to deal with possibilities (Star Wars, Space-based weapons platforms, etc) are of the MIB notion, it's for your own good to not know.

subterfuge and misdirection are age old time tested strategies. they still work.

it is indeed all about control. with that, everything else falls into place... power, economy, defense applications.

which by the way... the term DEFENSE is used these days the way the word WAR once was, so as to soften the implications. its called minimizing, a ploy that crooks and naughty children use to try and distance themselves from guilt or to justify their intent. 'defense' is just a polite way of saying 'kicking ass'.

its not like all that money goes for just armor.

defense applications are generally advanced military technologies or techniques... that is somehow not power or control?

"Why would the government cover up ET?"

why wouldn't they?

Why would the government cover up ET? its like that one guy says in the movie They Live, "it just business".