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bart5050
post Jun 19 2008, 10:58 AM
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Consider how we measure energy. Every unit of energy we have cannot be seperated from time. All have a time value, even the universe itself. Thais translates to time being the fundemental unit of measure for everthing.

Consider this in light of reletivistic time. Go faster and you move into the future. I watch a traveler go almost light speed for twenty years. He returns and I say "How was your twenty year trip?" He responds "It was only five years."

He traveled for five years his time but came back after twenty years my time. He moved into the future.

What did I observe? He zipped by me really fast in his ship but he himself seemed to move real slow. Should have taken him 5 seconds to push a butten but his arm moved so slowly it looked like twenty seconds to me.

What did he observe? It took him 5 seconds to push a button but watching me he saw that I was moving really fast accomplishing 20 seconds of motion in only 5.

Time ratio of 5 to 20. Yet at all points our existence to each other was continuious.

Now consider jumping backwards in time. I am here now and suddenly I no longer exist here but do twenty years ago. This is discontinuious. The continuious is consistant with conservation of energy. The discontinuious is not.

The energy in my body ceases to exist here so the now loses this amount of energy. I pop in twenty years ago so that point in time gains the amount of energy in my body. Clearly a violation of the conservation of energy.

All of our technologies have a demonstratable parallel in nature. No where do we see nature violate the conservation of energy. So I postulate this theorem.

The rate of progression through time is variable, but it cannot be reversed or stopped.

From inside the universe then I percieve time as a limit approaching infinity. Standing outside it I could observe it as a limit approaching zero, but not less than zero.

Now I observe a universe where time flows backwards. External observation might again measure its existance as a limit approaching zero. Internally the time will be something less than that. Cause precedes effect so all events are over before they begin.

Thus I propose the next theorem.

Time is the fundemental unit of measure of energy.

This says that, The universe is the internal mechanism of a single particle undergoing a change in state. A universe with either direction of change is possible, but once initiated cannot be stopped or reversed due to conservation of energy.

ET can slow down or speed up his progression through time but is still bound by the physical laws of the universe. ET can use this to jump from here to there while we blink, but he cannot go back in time.

Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

This implies a lot more about exceeding light speed and the nature of gravity, but that is beyond the scope of time travel of this post.
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post Jun 19 2008, 03:07 PM
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time? they should have taken that einstein out and put him against a wall and shot him.
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post Jun 19 2008, 08:59 PM
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If when the Big Bang took place it produced all possibilities at once, somewhere and all possible alternate universes, then almost anything is possible...is it not?


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post Jun 19 2008, 11:59 PM
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QUOTE (SOUL-DRIFTER @ Jun 19 2008, 10:59 PM) *
If when the Big Bang took place it produced all possibilities at once, somewhere and all possible alternate universes, then almost anything is possible...is it not?


There are a lot of if's in there. Our universe, is it a closed bubble of time as my theory suggest. Or a dimensional bulbble limked to other dimension by virtual strings as string theory suggest.

There is nothing to say all universes were created at the same time, or that there is any connection between them. There is also no requirement that they each have the same physical laws as in their internal value of C.

In string theory universes are created by collisions between membranes. In mine they are time bubbles of particles undergoing a change in state. Next you have to consider if our universe is cyclical or not. If it is indeed cyclical then it is unlikly there are parallel universes or if so they have any connection possible between tham and are closed.

I find it more likly our universe is a single event in a large chain of events. Even if this is the case there are only a limited set of solutions allowing for them not to be closed with no vectors allowing transference between them.

While the possibilities are not boundless there are sufficient degrees of freedom that we cannot determine any of this as of yet.

We have mathmatical models like Kleins ordering of geometry that give us some restrictions we can place on the universe, but nothing giving us the solution out of many possible solutions.

String theory is as yet unproven. We would have to find a solution for parallel transference that would not violate conservation of energy. So mutch to learn, so little known.

Quantum mechanics has great potential for revealing fundemental truths, and we learn a little more all the time. Yet we still have no solution for quantum gravity.



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It will be interesting to see, what will be learned with the new Super Collider, when goes on line soon.


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post Jun 20 2008, 01:15 AM
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It will be interesting to see, what will be learned with the new Super Collider, when goes on line soon.

Yes it will. Great potential to unlock a lot of mystery. Combined with Glast and a lot of other probes the next few years should reveal a lot.

As to ET from the furure. There is no theory or example to be found anywhere that gives it much possibility. Rate of progression through time is a variable, which opens a lot of possibility of ET pulling vanishing acts. All that we know says actually stopping or reversing time is outside the laws that govern the universe.

Rate of progression is a variable, but current knowledge indicates it has to be above zero value.
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post Jun 20 2008, 04:18 PM
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Wow, very nice Bart.

However much it gets ignored, every life form has it's own separate standard for time. One may like to believe humans all have the same or similar standard. But that is not true. That we live together and share our standard of time is all that keeps us from being at great odds. Watches and clocks exist everywhere for this reason alone. What's more, a single person varies his standard of time, so he will need to refer back to his watch now and then to stay in contact with the rest of the universe.

What's more, even the watch will need to be reset every now and then or it will lose time. Not even the Atomic Clock can stand alone.

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QUOTE (Xchel @ Jun 19 2008, 09:07 PM) *
time? they should have taken that einstein out and put him against a wall and shot him.


You should really seek to find out what he said, not what others say he said. He was quite a thinker.

"I really hate how others use my formulas to forward their own theories." - Einstein. He said that when he saw what people were doing with time formulas and saying that it was "Einstein's formula of E=MC2" as well as a few others that proved it. "This formula is not complete (the time formula of E=MC2) and will need to be changed before it is correct" - Einstein.

He knew it was flawed. He knew it was not correct. And he hated that people pointed to him and his formula when they promoted their own. He knew it was not correct, but he simply didn't know what was correct, so he never set the record straight.

"My mother was right, I should have learned to play the ..." -Einstein. (I forget the exact musical instrument) Those were his last words on his death bead. We are all free to interpret what he meant by that. But seeing the Atomic bomb and twists on his formulas, I think we felt his life was not what he hoped it would be. His achievements were being perverted and he know it.

I don't think shooting him would would have fixed anything. His ideas were used by others for things he never intended them to be used for. But often others gave referenced his works to gain acceptance of their own. They simply blurred the line between Einstein and themselves.
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Consider this in light of reletivistic time. Go faster and you move into the future. I watch a traveler go almost light speed for twenty years. He returns and I say "How was your twenty year trip?" He responds "It was only five years."

He traveled for five years his time but came back after twenty years my time. He moved into the future.

What did I observe? He zipped by me really fast in his ship but he himself seemed to move real slow. Should have taken him 5 seconds to push a butten but his arm moved so slowly it looked like twenty seconds to me.

What did he observe? It took him 5 seconds to push a button but watching me he saw that I was moving really fast accomplishing 20 seconds of motion in only 5.

Time ratio of 5 to 20. Yet at all points our existence to each other was continuious.


I'm sorry but I don't know too much about energy or what you were talking about, I guess I'm still learning so I am not too savvy just yet hehe. But I did understand this part above and it is very fascinateing how you came up with more than I have already heard, as they say...we learn something new each day. way to go on this post, very cool.


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