You know guys a lot of us on here almost take the existance of Aliens/UFOs as something that wouldn't surprise us if it was ever disclosed i also would think that i like a lot of us would assume that they ( aliens ) would be friendly and would want to help mankind what if it was totally the opposite case and in fact they wanted to take over our planet and even get rid of mankind could this be one of the other reasons for the cover-up you know we've heard the explanations against Disclosure have always been worldwide panic that we are not alone but could another reason be we are not alone they are not friendly they want our planet and we CANT stop them what do you think ?

we'd be in whole heap of deep doo-do if they're not benign.but they may assume the same of us.maybe they are freindly but our gov's don't want their authority or religion undermined by another more caring and advanced race,it would cause them massive headaches.

Another thing how many of these things are here,they vary in size from a few metres up to a mile or two in size.fleets have been spotted..so are they amassing somewhere out of sight and preparing for an invasion.at the moment they are doing recon and intel.there first line of attack wil be to keep us out of the skies.

Ok, im saying that i believe in "aliens" but only to a certain extent, i dont believe that their some weird slimy evil creatures that a lot of people seem to think they are, but for all we know there could be another human race on another planet who are more advanced than us, and possibly even some planets in which their are no races with any technology, they could just be younger planets like when earth only just began to have living organisms on it. but im not saying their are not races that would be willing to invade other planets, but just think, why would they choose to invade Earth when all the current inhabitants (as in us humans) is destroying the planet, all they would be doing is finishing what some humans started, destroying the Earth and its creatures and using up its resources.

Time never had a beginning.

So, "beings" (whatever that may be, even aliens) also never had a beginning. We don't have a clue how old they are.

Therefore you may expect anything. Therefore it makes no sense to panic or whatever.
Therefore it makes sense to live life in a responsible way. Peace. Etc.

but if time didnt have a beginning then where did it come from, nothing should really exist since nothing was there to create the very first thing to be, because it rules itself out

That's what we've been pumped in our heads for ages.

Just try to realise the miracle of life. Maybe you can start to imagine the miracle of existance?

There never was a first thing... (Don't blow your mind now, just open it)

Either way, there is no good reason to worry about it. We have time for now to grow as a race. It would be a good idea to take advantage of it.

Exactly, as simple as that.

actually we are running out of time to grow as a race because of as we grow the earth dies, in the sense that were running out of resources, animals are becoming less in numbers and we arent exactly growing as a unit, take Africa for instance, they are not on the same technological level as the UK or America, so they dont have the advantage we do, and they are running out of time faster than the more advanced countries. and no matter how much we try to help them, if we cant even stop pollution and humans destroying this planet what hope is there.

We can stop the system. How? I do not know. But we can.

Only yesterday I learned that the private bank institution that the American Federal Reserve Bank is, is owned by companies as Carlyle or Haliburton. I knew of some private names, but was very surprised to learn that a war mongering institution that represents the war industry, can ignite it's own wars? And have it payed for by the United Nations and the American public.

That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. It's in the system.

ok,i have absolutely no idea what happens in America because im only 15, never been to America and i am not good at understanding things when it comes to running a country, since i believe that is control over a populations future and i think thats absurd.

but one thing i cannot stop is people believing in what they want to and i shall not try to stop them, but i stay true to my beliefs.

There is hope after all.

sometimes i wish that i was born in a different lifetime, coz ive had a pretty bad past, and i dont see the future as being much brighter. im the only one were i live who has views like this, everyone else here believes in god and so forth, so to them im an eccentric weirdo who should be hidden from society, i mean it got so bad that my school banned us from speaking English, when it was a two language school, one of which being English and we were forced to have assembly in which we prayed to god and so on. but even with all this religion stuff around me while growing up it never stuck to me coz my mind allways tried figuring things out, and couldnt set itself on to one specific answer to my questions.
i once even got run down by a car because of my beliefs drove this one family who lived near us to hate us, even though i never tried to force my views upon them, and i was only eight at the time.

There was something before time but "was" and "before" don't apply to it. There is something after time but "after" does not apply to it. However, "is" does apply to before, during and after, even when "before" and "after" don't, yet "during" does.

So whatever "is" outside of time always "was" (which is still "is") and always "will be" (which is still "is"). The only way we can understand this concept is thinking of eternity.

By virtue of eternity comes infinity. If one were to occupy eternity he would also occupy infinity. Because there is no time, then any place occupied would have always been so. And if there is an eternity, then there is the inevitability that all places would be occupied. Therefore eternity and infinity (aka omnipresence) blend into one, naturally.

They say time is the fire in which we burn.

The Admiral

@ jharries

This at least sounds impressive, but as I hope you may understand, it's impossible for me to correctly respond to such a personal statement from a distant forum position.

(I used to think many times I wished I was born in a different timeframe, but then again, I never would want to miss the good things I have now, even if it means having (had) the bad things.)

Hope this helps, as they say.

This post has been edited by skylurker: Jun 26 2008, 05:51 PM

i know that someone cant respond to anothers personal experience but all im saying is that religion can sometimes go too far, as in the way a person would get too serious about such an insignificent yet believed thing which is religion,
im not trying to make people think religion is bad, but only as long as they keep it under control

This post has been edited by JHarries: Jun 27 2008, 08:14 AM

Nothing wrong with that jharries!

I'd except this in a way where time is layered and/or multi dimensional. However, that would not change (for me) what time is. What may be interesting to hear, is why you prefer to see "something before time". I prefer to see layers/dimensions without a (linear) chronology, as this only exists in contemporary "human time".

Living in the "here and now", awareness of the "here and now" is your "fire"?

Well, to bring us all out of the tangent that has taken hold, I think we may be prepared at a level. We've got a good 6 billion people on this Earth, which means a lot of labor. Should we have to despretely defend ourseves, I'm certian we could reach quite drastic measures to do so. We've worked quite hard to get where we are now, and I should think we will continue to do so. Anyone who comes to us, and not the other way around, will be more advanced. Its really a battle of who cares the most, and we have more to lose than an attacker. We'll fight harder than they will because its life or death for us, it might be for them--but the hypotheticals are already prety strong on this subject. We can keep growning, we just have to do it in sustainable ways. I'm just fresh out of a first year Architecture program (and gave it up for Philosophy... don't ask, but if you come to jeer, I've really heard it all already.) and it is all the rage. Methods of sustaining in the environment we have with materials, recycling, and methods to keep a growth that can be sustained by the environment we are in. We're slow on the uptake, and change is slow: but we'll adapt to the needs of the future, we've been the "Best" ones at it on our planet.

That should of course be "accept", sorry.