is fucking shit. first they banned snub nosed revolvers. then in the 90's they made is so that most semi auto rifles/ shotguns to have 5 rounds maxamum capacity(some are exempt, like the m1 garand and cx4 storm). now in the 21'st centruy we have to register all guns, and some of the laws are bullshit. removable bullpup stocks are banned, why? its just estetic. fucking hell

we don't get a choice here in the UK,no guns permitted for personal protection,you have to apply for a special licence after a psychological evaluation and you have to belong to a gun club.personally i don't see the point in control,if someone wants to use one,the law is not gonna stop them.there are thousand's of illegally owned or converted firearms in the uk.the law is supposed to be a deterrent,well...sorry its not working..we have no faith in our police force,targetting soft crimes(motorists,non payers etc).while albanian,romanian and bulgarian gangsters are fighting for control of the underworld crime circle in london and other major cities.

Government the world over is becoming increasingly obsessed with exerting absolute control over the people. They remove liberty in small steps.

It's for one of 2 reasons I think, the first would be so that the government has a list of all known gun owners so that they can be rounded up first. Or, it's to prevent people from having such firepower at their disposal when they lose their tempers, that they take out a school/shopping mall/neighborhood.

I thought Canadians were all nice and polite. Why would they have any controls on guns at all? It's not like they are ever going to shoot them in anger.

well our goverment goes kind of apeshit after a massacre, two years after marc le'pine went postal in lecole polytequnic they banned high cap mags, now we have a few exemptions like the garand. but its just been a few incidents of mass shootings.

lol someone could do a mass shooting with a bolt action rifle hun, look at charles whitman, not matter what you do you cant stop this shit. then there will be stabbings like in china. not all canadians are nice, im one of the few that is nice, but i still think its bs just because of a few people the rest of the country gets fucked over.

i live in Kentucky and our gun laws are so relaxed all you have to do is get a background check.

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i love guns too, alot. there better than people somedays >.>

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I'm happy to discus this furthar but I can't accept any 'guns don't kill people, people kill people' crap, Becuase I'm pretty sure that before the modern gun came around, if you had to kill somebody you had to get pretty close to the person. Which would make you think twice. Not so now you can wipe out a group of people after 60 seconds from a few hundred feet away.

mmm.... guns *Homer voice*

Guns are fun. People like to ban things that are fun. Here in Australia, guns are pretty much completely banned. You need a gun license for an Air Soft gun (the plastic toy guns). Strictly speaking, you can go to jail for 10 years for possession of an unregistered plastic toy gun. *sigh*

Can anyone say "knee jerk reaction"?

When I was 9 years old my friend shot me in the back of the head with a potato gun, it bloody hurt.
When I was 12 years old I was invited to my friends house for dinner. It was a nice hot summer day and we were going to go straight to his house from school. As we walked the 15 minute journey from our school to my friends house we played and talked and laughed. I loved my best friends family as I had known them since I was 5. My friends dad was great, he was a stereotypical biker with a caring personality. he had a homemade wooden garage that formed an L shape around the house and you had to pass threw this garage to enter the house via the back door, which was common for all well known visitors. My friends dad didn't have a 'job' he just made money the way bikers do. Sometimes he would be in, sometimes he would be out. He was in on this particular day. As my friend and I opened the large wooden door to the garage we found his dad dead. He had received a single shotgun round that had entered his mouth and excited the back of his head. You can imagine the rest.
When I was 14 years old I was taken by some local bullies into an ally and shot 27 times in the legs with a pellet gun. I couldn't walk for a while, my friend was not so lucky, he was left blind in one eye.
When I was 16 I was robbed at gunpoint by a junkie, it turned out to be a replica and I knew the junkie. But it was still sh*t scary.
When I was 18 I was walking to my local corner shop to get some odds and ends, when I met well known local character heading in the same direction. We new each other by name so walked to the shop together talking about nothing in particular. We arrived at the shop and I took a basket and walked around filling it up, the guy with me just following me and talking. we headed for the counter to pay and when we got there this guy pulls out a gun. Robs the place and runs. I didn't run and I believe that action saved me from prison time.
When I was 20 I worked at an immigration centre called Campsfield House in the UK, it was my job to help record the stories of detainees for a local interest group. I listened to accounts of rape and torture at gunpoint, fathers, sons, uncles and brothers who had had their families wiped out. I heard about villages and towns being erased from the Balkans down to Africa across the Middle east and into Central Asia.
When I was 25 I became associated with an organization the enabled me to move to Denmark and travel the Scandinavian countries countries working to rehabilitate families from Central and Eastern Africa. I spent most of me time looking into the sad empty eyes of children who's worlds had been imploded. I also had the opportunity to spend a year in Africa visiting various projects. I was robbed at gunpoint twice(Angola and Zim) and actually shot at once (poachers in Botswana).

Senhaun,
I don't think guns are fun. Shooting is fun I agree. I love shooting stuff, I prefer a bow to a gun but I have enjoyed range shooting and clay shooting and have even bagged the odd pheasant. Guns look cool and sexy in a darkly sadistic and macabre way, I can understand that. The power of a gun feels good when you hold it, no argument from me. As a piece of engineering guns are incredible as an example of technological evolution they are one of the best. But guns are not fun.
Are you really going to argue that gun law is to stop people having fun? You don't think that it might have something to do with the X amount of gun related death and crime that fills our world. Or the alarming increase in suicide by shooting matched by the increase in private handgun ownership?
Maybe the fact that you can live safe and secure in Australia is because the government has introduced stricter gun laws, but will the families of the victims of Martin Bryant share frustration?
All toy guns should be banned, I've no problem swords, sticks, bows and arrows and the like. I understand the need for controlled aggression, maybe sometime in your life you won't be able to take flight and you're going to have to stand and fight, it's the natural law. What I find repugnant is that we take such a cold, merciless killing machine and place it in the hands of our children and turn death and killing into a non-consequential game.

During each and everyone of my encounters with guns I never had time to notice my knee jerking, I was to busy making sure I stayed focused enough not to panic and die.
As I sat and listened to the men's stories it was not so much a jerk, more a slow welling, more like being saturated with grief.
As I tried to make the kids smile it was more like a draining feeling, knowing that no matter what I did these children were not going to smile again, feel safe again or trust again.
But I'm sure you know what I mean, don't you.

.. i felt like ripping my hair out after reading your post, i could do the same with a mosin-nagant m44 as i could with a ruger mini 14 with 5 round magizines, just in a longer ammount of time. if guns kill people then my country should be relly violent right? we have 40 million people, and 7 million guns, thats around( pardon my bad math) one gun for evry 4-6 people. even when we had high cap mags and small cal pistols, we had low crime. simplyput guns do not cause crime, people do, you need a brain and a finger( or toe) to pull a trigger,load a gun, aim the gun. guns dont cause crime, simply put. we have more stabbings that we have shootings, fucking hell. learn more before posting.

This post has been edited by renny: Jul 8 2008, 06:17 PM

Of course I agree with you. However, Bryant would have happened - guns or no guns. Bryant happened because of Bryant. They can't ban psychopaths, can they? Is it safer now that we went from one extreme to another? I doubt it. Is it safer now that Bryant is behind bars? Probably just a little. The criminals still have guns. It's only the average Joe that is unarmed.

Frankly I don't even want a real gun. But I used to enjoy shooting cans with Air Soft guns. However, I had to give them up.

its amazing that the bryant incident is still thought of by some as a conspiracy..strange people

i would agree to get rid of guns if and only if the governments got rid of their guns and the military got rid of their guns and since that is never gonna happen than i don't think we should get rid of guns.

This post has been edited by Mandelasdiscple: Jul 17 2008, 10:07 AM

Here here! WTF is up with this shit anyway? CONTROL IS OVERSHADOWING LIFE!

comfortablynumb... most of that evil shit probably wouldn't have happened if you or those others were able to defend yourselves. sounds like you need a gun.

i know that sounds crass, or insensitive or something, but uh i learned my lesson the first time i got my ass kicked. i decided it would be the last. so learned to fight. i learned again the first time i was robbed at gunpoint. it was the last.

bullies only understand one thing and that is fear.

guns are fun. they are a lot of fucking fun. shooting inanimate objects is fun. hunting is fun.

shooting people is not fun.

but neither is being a victim. (by your own hand or another's)

the types of human animals you describe would commit crime with or without guns. they always have. murder and rape have been around much longer than firearms. (poachers have been around longer than guns as well.) that sort behavior has been around much longer than vaulted idealism. so you see... people do kill people with or without guns.

so until the idealists are calling the shots (since we are throwing around gun cliche) i'd much rather have one and not need it, than need one and not have it.

i appreciate and respect your point of view. someone has fought, will fight, or is fighting for it. i mean spilling blood not handing out 'literature'.

its slow. maybe they will get there some day. the idealists.

even though i like guns i gotta say that owning guns for protection is falling victim to fear which is never a good thing.

sorry, i dont like guns either, for the simple fact that it makes killing to easy.

but i dont think controlling the guns of the public will make a difference.

the people who use guns that make a real difference are military groups...

people love guns because they love protection, im sure if people didnt feel threatened, they wouldnt need guns.