Niburi..... then why it isnt visible to us yet?

ive seen several people challenge the 2012 and niburi theory. so let me ask you girls and guys this.....

even if niburi aka planet x is not visible to us yet...... if it is true it supose to be visible by now right? so let me ask this...... then why is there many things and several stories that related to 2012?

niburi said to come at 2012 right?
ichin the chinese fortune telling or something like that tells 2012
the internet numbers ect.. tells 2012
mayan calendar ends at 2012
merlin predicted 2012
ancient oracles predicted 2012
crop signs encoded 2012

so why is there so many things that all comes to the same thing? that is 2012.....

might be worth mentioning that there have been many events / dates mentioned over the centuries, some backed up by multiple sources just like 2012 niburu... some are still a way off, others have passed without incident.

Could this be no different to those? As we approach 2012 we should start to see if there is any merrit to this myth unlike some of the other stories involving calendar events which required us to simply wait and see come the day... should be interesting!

This post has been edited by Eduardo: Jun 29 2008, 08:12 AM

First of all, we already have several threads on this topic, and it might be better to post there, rather than start a new one. That said:

First, it is Nibiru. If you want to know what Nibiru is, or isn't, read the other threads. We've discussed it extensively. Nibiru is said to come in 2012 BECAUSE of Sitchin's false interpretation of Mayan chronology. Therefore it doesn't count.

Second, it is I-Ching. I-ching is a method of fortune telling: not a 2012 prediction.

I don't know what internet numbers you're talking about but almost all 2012 references on the internet go back to the misinterpretation of the Mayan calendar.

The Mayan calendar goes up to 2012 because 2012 is the end of the cycle. There is NOTHING in Mayan religion or culture predicting the end of the world at that time. It's not so different than your own calendar at home that only shows 12 months.

Merlin was not and is not a real person, so not sure why he's here. Merlin is a character in a story. You'll note that the earliest Arthur stories have neither Merlin nor Morganna. Don't get me started. I love the Matter of Britain.

Not sure what 'ancient oracles' you're talking about. Could you be more specific so I could be specific about why they said no such thing?

Last, they are generally known as crop circles, and though I'm not ready to say 100% of them are hoaxes, I have yet to talk to anyone who has figured out or deciphered their meaning, so I'm not sure how they could warn of 2012.

There are so many things about 2012 because the same group of people keep quoting ONE ANOTHER instead of doing research.

2012 will be just another year.

I won't pick and poke at each 2012 prediction. Not the point on whats correct and what's wrong! As far as the Nibiru planet known as The Twelfth Planet or Planet X, some are warning that this wandering body is quickly nearing the Earth - and could cause global devastation.
The term "Nibiru" comes from the Sumerian cuneiform tablets and writings dating 5,000 years old. The term Nibiru means "Planet of the crossing", and it's cuneiform sign was often a cross, or various winged disc. The Sumerian culture was located in the fertile lands between the Euphrates and Tigris rivers, at the southern part of today's Iraq. (Thought you find this interesting.)

I believe many Cultures all over the World points in the direction of 2012. My thought is a new transformation of the world.

So far the only 'pointing' I have seen on this subject are flawed assumptions and leaps in logic akin to religious leaps of faith.

There's no law against believing it, but it doesn't make it true.

The United states found this planet in 1983 They built a 1 billion dollar telescope ( pictures and story on my web site http://melchizadek.conforums.com/index.cgi ) on the south pole to track it. It at the time was the only place on earth it could be tracked from. Now in the last 4 months Japan and several universities have found it as it is working its way back from the outter rim of the soular system. Planet X should become visable by the end of 2009. It will look like a small sun to the left of our current sun. This planet scientists know strolls past us every 34,000 years and creates havok on earth. It Will not wipe out the human race. However thos not prepared for its arrival will be lost. Do the research. It is there.

You know... there is a common misconception about what a number is. A number is nothing in fact. Numbers mean nothing at all. There is no such thing as the number 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 or 0. They are totally 100% arbitrary. In other words numbers mean nothing but what you say they mean. You can asign numbers to anything everywhere, that they were assigned means nothing. The number 666 is not he sign of the devil for any reason other than someone's personal preference.

10 cups are not 10 cup for any reason then that you say they are. What if a cup has a hole in it? Is it still a cup when it leaks? What if one is really a spoon but you are calling it a cup? What if a cup is stolen or breaks? Do you still have 10 cups? Perhaps you do if it still is usable for whatever you need them for. So a number is only because you say it is that amount.

If 2012 shows up in different places it's because you are looking for them. Not because the number is out to get you. Numbers mean nothing until you say they mean something. Even then, they mean nothing more then what you say they mean. If 2+2=5 when it should have been 4, it's your fault not the numbers. You assigned the wrong numbers and they didn't equal reality. Numerical patterns can be found everywhere because this universe was created with redundancy. You could say God created a bunch of stuff and then got bored so he copy-pasted the rest.

If you think there is overwhelming evidence pointing to 2012, you have clearly never payed attention to other disasters. They had overwhelming "evidence" too. Much of the "overwelming evidence" is not, it is someone's interpretation of evidence.

You can seek something logical in two ways, one of them does not work very well. It is a system where you come up with a preconceived idea and bring evidence to match it to determin it it is true. It is a highly flawed way of looking at things because it assumes how things support it, people can find connections in places where these connections don't belong.

This post has been edited by ScottMan: Jul 6 2008, 11:50 AM

I am not sure if Nibiru will be the end of us. What I am sure about though is that something will happen in 2012...

do you believe in fairies to!

according to the physics of planatary motion, if you were to give a planet a couple of days to travel along its elliptical path, you would notice it does not cover the same distance in that amount of time if you had started at a diffrent place in its elliptical path, but it will always cover the same area if you were to measure from the starting point of the planet to its sun and then to its finishing point and make that into a triangle you would notice that it will always cover the same amount of area in the same amount of time. Knowing this think about niburi's elliptical path, which takes it about 1-3 lightyears from our sun to a point of a couple 100000 of miles you would know that as it got closer it would it would pick up a large amout of speed. It apparently is visible from the far south where nasa has an infared satelite, it sould become more more visible to people further in the north as it continues to get closer, which should have its affects between 2010-2014.

OK as much as it irks me to say this, show us the source of these wild claims, because so far, in the other threads, each mad claim has been proven utterly baseless. We havn't seen Niuru yet because you are confusing the myth of Niburu, with the reality of existing harmless celestial bodies. You havnt seen Niburu, because it does not exist.

Doesnt really matter who is right or wrong in this search for this planet. If its real it will show up . Let's hope 2012 is a ew beginning for this planet. God knows we need something to happen here to wake people up. We are detroying our home.

Groundhogs day...again...

There is not a shred of evidence been presented here so far on this stupid topic that cannot easily be proven baseless. The facts are not a matter of opinion, or beleif. But are....facts. People can choose to see those facts, then ignore them through there own lack of understanding. But it will not change the reality. this kind of nonsense is really annoying. People go find a fact about some distant planet then cry "NIBURU SEE I TOLD YOU" but it is not the Niburu of fiction/myth that is going to cause devestation on earth. Even if dsome scientist or astronomer calls it Niburu, it is a name only. No where will you find a shred of evidence showing even a near miss let alone a collision. Thats right, Nowhere. I challenge any beleiver here out of the 8676 registered users, to come up with a single fact showing a near miss or collision by a planet called Niburu.
For those who are unsure what a fact is, here is a fact...
FACT
a fact is defined as something that is true, something that actually exists, or something having objective reality that can be verified according to an established standard of evaluation.

Here is a whole bunch of facts about Mars...
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/marsfact.htmlIsnt it amazing how many facts there are about Mars?

You see the problem is that when there is a celestial body out there somewhere, it is just not that hard for our clever scientists to show you facts about orbits, speed etc.
So, the challenge again.
One single item of factual evidence, that can be verified properly, supporting the Myth of Niburu

This post has been edited by Dundee: Nov 10 2008, 07:52 AM

Dang Dundee, don't get so upset. its just some us believe and some don't. just a difference of opinion right? thats what every one says to me!

Does anyone know exactly what the I-ching said about twenty twelve?

As I understand it: not a thing.

Hi cricket, not upset at all. But I just disagree with the difference of opinion thing is all. It seems to me there is some confusion as to what is an opinion and what is not.

Opinion
An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something which it is either impossible to verify the truth of, or the truth of which is thought unimportant to the person. It is an assertion about something especially if that something lies in the future and its truth or falsity cannot be directly established e.g. induction. An opinion is not a fact, because opinions are either not falsifiable, or the opinion has not been proven or verified. If it later becomes proven or verified, it is no longer an opinion, but a fact.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion

especially if that something lies in the future and its truth or falsity cannot be directly established
Well this is a truth than can clearly be established isn't it...
Scientist have shown you that there is no Planets on a collision course, or a near miss with earth in 2012. This is a Fact.
The couple of planets that scientist have located out there, that repeatedly get called Niburu, ARE NOT on a collision course with earth. This is also a fact
The so called dark star or dark planet that is supposedly "just outside our solar system, does not exist. Scientists have shown us why. This is also a fact

And what is also a fact is there is not a single credible item of evidence to support the existance of Niburu.

If I say that I think presedent elect Obama will do well, this is an opinion, because...especially if that something lies in the future and its truth or falsity cannot be directly established

So given what I understand to be an opinion, I cannot understand the persistance of some to hold onto the Niburu Myth?

he said" Number 20-12 on the menu is special fried rice with beanshoots!"?