Don't go you contribute too much,and will leave a gap that can't be filled,don't let those few effect the many.pleading with you to stay MACDADDY

Something would be lost if you left.

I will sign the petition gladly, but I don't think it is that simple though

dundee may i ask why?

sign sign sign sign sign sign

i vote stay, it's people like you Allison that help keep the wolves at bay....

if I was her I wouldn't want a whole petition on a forum devoted to bringing me back. For me that would be embaressing. But that's just me. I would like to see her back too, she was awesome for the small amount of time I got to read her posts on the board.

I dont know..Im torn.. she basically has said if the Forum has Raelians on it she refuses to be a member, essentially equating all Raelians with pedophiles. Im not a Raelian fan (obviously) but I think its a bit of jump to make..and clearly the Raelian member here either is correct and its not a correct statement OR he is just being duped by his group and is ignorant..either way.. if she chooses to make this stand, I dont know if its a good idea to petition for a return. If in fact she has correct information then she is possibly taking the correct stand. based on the publically available information, it seems wrong to equate Raelians with pedophiles..its a leap of logic people seem to assume they make based on their "philosophy".

I dont know..

This article might explain some:

http://www.wwrn.org/article.php?idd=24268&...42&cont=all

I don't know crap about that religi.... I mean cult, but that's just messed up. If you are so screwed up that Switzerland won't take you, man, it's time to get in the tub, find a razor, and cut the vein.

That's also some crap about the whole teaching kids how to reach sexual satisfaction is also a bit stupid. All kids should worry about is how to be kids. When they get older and become adults I'm pretty sure then can figure things out all on their own just like 90% of the rest of the world.

There is something seriously wrong with this guy. I can fix him however. There isn't anything wrong with anybody you can't fix with your hands. Just need to know where to apply the pressure.

Sign. I want Allison to stay ... provided that SHE wants to stay./

Vet, I agree with what you say. I think being a Raelian doesn't automatically mean someone is a pedophile, but she does have a point (see my post under the 'teaching creationism is wrong thread') that although the 'official' church position denounces pedophilia, a tendency towards pedophilia seems institutionalized in the teachings and rituals.

Now, the member in question hasn't said anything to make me believe he is a pedophile, or that he condones it, quite the contrary.

However, I do understand that other issues are at play. Evidently, the Raelians began in France and the French government's anti-cult task force has named them Enemy #1. Apparently also, there have been news reports, documentaries and such in France that don't seem widely available outside of France, even on the internet.

Edit: I've been thinking about this and I want to add something here:
(1) Josh has not admitted here to ANY crimes, nor has he said anything to suggest he condones any crimes.
(2) To ban a member for being a member of religion, or to ban discussion of a religion because we do not agree with it, is something I'm not comfortable with.

If Josh were to say that he thinks sex with children is okay, I would say ban him. If he had claimed to have done it, I would contact international authorities. However, he has done neither. In fact, the suggestion has outraged him.

Just because we don't agree with his religion is no reason to ban him or to ban discussion of it.

I'd agree with SD on this one: if we don't feel comfortable with a certain discussion, we should probably just stay clear.

This post has been edited by kirin-rex: Jun 30 2008, 07:43 PM

Although I dont like religion, at all.. any religion.. you still have to give the person the benefit of the doubt.

The person in question may be naive, I dont know the details of the religion, but he professes to be against pedophilia and is able to back it up with official documents from his leader etc. You cant ban him for his religion when he is still saying all the right things.

And if we did.. could we then start banning Roman Catholics? Sure..their POLICIES are against pedophilia, but how many priests have admitted or been convicted of it of late? Are we now going to say simply that all Roman Catholics who say their church isnt really sponsoring pedophilia are simply naive?

Or going in a different direction, could we get up some outrage over the outcome of the Churchs anti-birthcontrol policy which in pure numbers causes much more suffering in the world?

I know I have despaired and complained about the how antisemitism is seemingly tolerated on this forum.. but there is fundamental difference. Those people (Xchrel, Hapax, etc) have been directly and ruthlessly, maliciously antisemitic. Were they mere fascists but whom disavowed antisemitism then we would have to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Thats how I see it anyway.

Well said, Vetamur.

True. It’s very well said. But it’s only rhetoric. And if my memory is good it is called an “ectrope”. Why get to the trouble of using obreptice and/or diverting arguments? Above all else, when protection of children is involved?

True. It’s very well said. But it’s only rhetoric. And if my memory is good it is called an “ectrope”. Why get to the trouble of using obreptice and/or diverting arguments? Above all else, when protection of children is involved?

Well said. We need that kind of grounded thought here. These kind of freaks need exposure and confrontation, not avoidence. Make your voice heard, cite your evidence. Give them no place of comfort. Not here not anywhere.

We need you.

so basically vetamur and sd can tolerate any kind of crap.raelism is not a religion it is a cult set up by mentally disturbed individuals,who should be sterilised or shot.half the problem with this world is we tolerate too much.i think he should try some realism not raelism.

This post has been edited by macdaddy: Jul 2 2008, 01:46 AM

Well, to atheists, cults and religions are basically the same, only differing in popularity and length of history.
And they all seems kinda nuts to me. Christianity involves worshiping a Zombie and performing ritualistic symbolic cannibalism. I mean, that's pretty damn weird, honestly. I don't see the hedonistic alien worshipers as much further "out there", really.

Wait, whos the pedo? /me is lost.

It's about Raelians.

This thread:
http://www.alien-ufos.com/Goodbye-All-t21600.html

and this thread from here:
http://www.alien-ufos.com/index.php?s=&...st&p=361520

There's a member here who is a Raelian, and the Raelians and their leader Rael got in trouble in France (and Rael was denied permission to live in Switzerland) because the Raelians were involved in several cases of 'corruption of minors' and 'inappropriate conduct' with minors, and worse, in France.

Oh.

Well I think allison should relax then. Yeah, pedos are bad and whatnot, but you cant judge all people based on their religon. I mean, dont muslims say its ok to marry 12 year olds? Should we all leave now caz of that?

i dunno, why ruin your time by leaving a board you like because someone else is weird- Hows that solve anything?