http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c


He is just as dopey as bush.. You americans sure know how to pick them.. Ahh i forgot.. they are chosen for you

I support McCain, I guess I'm not smart. Oh well, I can't vote. Too young.

Honestly, how is McCain a bad candidate? He wants to finish what we started in Iraq. Those not wanting to finish what we started correctly are a bunch of quitters in my opinion. America is not a nation of quitters, or at least it used to not be. We can't go into a war without people giving up, starting to protest the war.

Well guess what? Your only protesting because we are able to fight. What happens when we're truly invaded? We just give up our freedoms because we're a bunch of quitters? Freedom doesn't come free

He doesn't LIKE war, he hates it. But, he knows we sometimes need to have it to keep our freedoms. We need a leader like McCain... Too bad I can't watch that video right now, though. Seems so convincing, apparently the media LOVES McCain. I haven't seen any media support of him, mainly Obama and Clinton. McCain's avoided the spotlight.

It's like the song "Have You Forgotten" says:

"I hear people saying we don't need this war
I say there's some things worth fighting for
What about our freedom and this piece of ground
We didn't get to keep 'em by backing down
They say we don't realize the mess we're getting in
Before you start your preaching let me ask you this my friend

Have you forgotten how it felt that day?
To see your homeland under fire
And her people blown away
Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
We had neighbors still inside going thru a living hell
And you say we shouldn't worry 'bout bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

They took all the footage off my T.V.
Said it's too disturbing for you and me
It'll just breed anger that's what the experts say
If it was up to me I'd show it everyday
Some say this country's just out looking for a fight
After 9/11 man I'd have to say that's right

Have you forgotten how it felt that day?
To see your homeland under fire
And her people blown away
Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
We had neighbors still inside going thru a living hell
And you say we shouldn't worry 'bout bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

I've been there with the soldiers
Who've gone away to war
And you can bet that they remember
Just what they're fighting for

Have you forgotten how it felt that day?
To see your homeland under fire
And her people blown away
Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
We had neighbors still inside going thru a living hell
And you say we shouldn't worry 'bout bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

Have you forgotten all the people killed?
Some went down like heroes in that Pennsylvania field
Have you forgotten about our Pentagon?
All the loved ones that we lost and those left to carry on
Don't you tell me not to worry about bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

Have you forgotten?
Have you forgotten?



So, have YOU forgotten, or do you remember but don't care about all those lives that we lost? Do you want them to die for NO cause? We're fighting for freedom. OUR freedom to not live in terror.

Seriously, we need to finish this war the way that won't get us back into it 10 years from now. Anyone who wants to jut quit is a quitter that doesn't know nothing.

I personally have talked to soldiers who want to stay over there until the job is done; I say we let the soldiers fighting decide, not us at home.

I'm also for McCain. Did you know his son served in the Marines in Iraq?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/mccainsons.asp
http://www.iowacaucus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...1011/IOWACAUCUS

Also, did you know that this 'clown' as you called him was the one who put forward the bill on the humane treatment of prisoners.

There's a lot of good to McCain.

Mr E.. I dont want to be mean.. but your post is exactly why people hate Bush, exactly why people want to stop the war.. you have fallen for the the Bush admin plan to make people somehow connect 9/11 and Iraq. There is no connection. Afghanistan knowingly let terrorists use their nation as a base for the people responsible for the 9/11 attacks. Iraq had no connection what so ever to those attacks.

Attacking Iraq has not made us any safer. Hussein was well contained and had been for years. He was surrounded by enemies on all sides, enemies of his own making (Kuwait, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia in particular). His political party, the Baathists, were for secular government and so hated by people like bin Ladin, who further hated him because they blame him for making the situation that led to the US having a strong presence in the Middle East in the first place (the first gulf war).

Its not "quitting" to realize youre in an endless conflict. The conflict as it is now can not end because as long as the US has a presence there a certain percentage of Iraqis wont recognize the Iraqi govt as legit and so there will be perpetual conflict.

You say the US isnt a nation of quitters.. but neither was the US a nation that started preemptive wars. The US wasnt a nation that did its best to find legal loopholes to allow torture. The US wasnt a nation that ignored its allies, flaunted international law, and sent prisoners to other countries to be tortured.

The people who want out of Iraq are not quitters. They are reevaluating a situation now with better information. And they want their own country back, the country they grew up in where the government wasnt able to invoke the bogey man to scare its population into submission.

Perhaps the kurds would disagree with you,and the 8,000 or so that saddam gassed.

I'm against the Iraq war, but I'm also of the opinion that we shouldn't leave until we have forces in place, Iraqi forces, who are able to hold the country together when we're gone.

The current military strategy in Iraq is to take a position and hold it: essentially nail down resistance a piece at a time. In good news, Sadr forces put down arms and ordered a cease fire. I believe they are still patrolling Sadr City, but they are no longer taking hostile action against the Iraqi police.

I do believe that the war can be won in the sense that we can successfully return control to Iraq without the country falling apart. That said, I still believe it was a mistake to go in ... however I think it would be a bigger mistake to leave without trying to stabilize the country.

it is not a war it is a hostile occupation.more iraq's have died as a result of foriegn policy since the invasion then those who where supposedly killed by saddam.The americans have no plans to pull out ever.Same goes with afghanistan..pakistan is left out of the equation because it assists the west and mushariif was put in place by the us,like bin laden he was CIA trained and financed.America needs to have a base in the middle east..its easier to imtimidate when your next door.(Iran,Yemen,Syria)

The Kurds would disagree with me that Iraq didnt have anything to do with 9/11? THe 8,000 dead Kurds would disagree with me on that? I dont think they would. I think they would be rationale and condemn Saddam for things he did, not for things he didnt.

Are you telling me that the US in 2003 invaded Iraq because of Iraqs actions over a decade before? Really? Because thats not I remember being told we were invaded for.

Your post is a trite little answer for a multitude of concerns I raised.

Saddam attacked the Kurds...so you believe the Iraqis actually DO welcome the US as effective occupiers at this point? Saddam used chemical weapons against the Kurds so you think the Shia or Sunni will actually respect a government formed while the US occupies their country? Saddam commited attrocities against the Kurds over a decade ago so we cant leave Iraq now?

Can you make the argument clearer for me please. Im not seeing it.

I assume also then, that you are in favor of war with Turkey, who is also effectively at war with the Kurds and will not give them a homeland?

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Read that ten times. I researched it thoroughly. I encourage you to do the same. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

The world changes, it always has and it always will.

I felt at the time, and still do, that the biggest mistake we made was to disband the Iraqui army when we did. We unemployed the people with the guns. We should have called the commanders together and made them a part of the stabalization toward a new government. A slow change with control firmly in place.

Sure their army was brutal. Turning them all into armed unemployed bandits was even worse. Sudden and dramatic change in this volitile region was an open door for extremism. Any body should have been able to see it.
Major Blunder,

However it would be irresponsible beyond belief to have created this situation, then just walk away leaving it in disaray. Under Irans influence it would became a nation of extremism and would become a major source of trouble in the world.

We know what the extreme muslims want. Every country in the world has had some kind of attack. Even the Muslim countries are under assault by extremest. They want religion by the sword and the distruction of all that is not Muslim.

They are brutal and deserve no quarter. They embrace a versin of Islam that celebrates death, glory to kill infedels and die for god. They want to die for their god and so we shoulld oblige them. Before they have a chance to strap a bomb to their ass.

Invading Iraq was a bad idea. However we got there we are there. We have an obligation to leave it a stable and responsible part of the world community. To leave it in shambles is to shirk our duty with Iraqi citizens and the world to pay for our blunder.

McCain, Obama I don't think either one can afford to leave Iraq to whover swings the biggest sword.

There is not a good choice really for Americans this year in the presidential election. Obama might just be the most overhyped candidate in a democratic election in the history of the world. I would rather the job went to McCain, even though he is less than ideal. Obama, although quite good at reading a speech, cannot speak extemporaneously either, and has made a string of gaffes. Obama, if elected, will just be dead set upon turning America into another Europe.

This is what I understand: America declared that any nation that allows Al-Qauda (I honestly don't know how to spell it) in peacefully (As in permitting them without fighting them back) is an enemy of ours. Afghanistan did let them in. Hussein let them train men there, obviously that was a mistake.

Then, he said "I won't let you look for my nuclear warheads," to the UN after he promised he would let them in to look for Weapons of Mass Destruction.

We went in to force him to let us check. We had to overthrow him because if he had nuclear weapons and wouldn't let us know he became a threat to the UN. So, we went in and overthrew him because of what he was doing went against what he should be doing (AKA: Not letting in terrorists, letting the UN look for WMDs, etc.) so we really had to to maintain national security.

We started this mess maybe, maybe we shouldn't have went into this war. But, think of how much propaganda against the US would start if we left a nation we ourselves helped dissolve the government and military without forces and government enough to keep peace. The guys hating us could say "Look at the US: They go in, say their going to fix a nation, but instead they start a Civil War and watch!" if we leave without a proper force.

I don't know if we should have gone in to Iraq and Afghanistan in the first place, but I know that we need to finish what we started. We leave now, ten years later we'll go into a bigger war. Maybe even if we leave now they'll get nukes.

But hey, if you want to leave a nation in chaos and unorder just so that you have it your way, do it. I'm sure that no one will care about a never ending civil war beginning because we left too soon.

A lot of troops over there honestly will say "I wanna go home; but not until we stabilize this place" basically. I say the guys fighting should decide, not the guys that aren't fighting.

With all due respect Mr. E your version of events is incorrect. Hussein did not allow Al Qaeda in, did not allow them training camps in Iraq. Period. VP Cheney in particular tried to make it look like there were connections, but were eventually forced to say directly there werent any. You have to understand, AL QAEDA is very fundamentalist and doesnt compromise. Saddam installed one of the first secular governments in the Arab world. There was no love between the Baathists and Muslim fundamentalists.

He DID let in UN inspectors. You dont recall the UN telling the US it simply needed more time but that they felt Iraq didnt have WMDs. The world community didnt feel Saddam Hussein was a security threat worthy of war. Hell, in point of fact, Saddam Husseins armed forces were essentally incapable of going to war.



And here is the thing that I dont think youre understanding. This isnt a war like WWII. You keep saying "We have to be there til there is security".. what you dont understand is that the US presence there is one of the very things that destabalizes the country. People will ALWAYS fight against the Iraqi government as long as it perceived to be a puppet of the US, and it will always be seen as a puppet of the US as long as US troops are there.

A number of years ago I was of a similar opinion as you. I thought it was wrong of us to go in, but as long as we had made the mess we had better pick it up. And thats a noble thought.

But it is not a realistic one. We screwed them over.. but unfortunately the social, economic and political situation is one that only the Iraqis can fix. They are the ones that are going to have to figure how to leave with each other in peace, how to make an inclusive government, and how to build some trust between neighbors again. I dont think people realize the huge degree to which Iraq has been torn apart. Neighborhoods and towns are now segregated, militias keep the peace, priests hold more power than governors. 130,000 US troops running around, however long, is not going to help it. I will say it again, the very presence of the troops is one of the destabilizing factors. The idea that those troops can somehow stop civil war and unite Iraq is an illusion based on faulty presumptions.

There have always been religious iealism and there always will be. Look at the countries that have the least extremeist problems and you will see one theme. A strong economy where people earn a decent wage. When people have disposable income they collect toys, go to the movies, eat out, and party their ass off. They don't suicide bomb thenmselves into oblivion.

Stabalize Iraqs economy and make job oppertunities for them and they will take control of their country, Once people have the good life they will address threats to that themselves. It is idle poverty and frustration that breeds violence. It is prosperity and a future for their children that brings stability. The only model that has ever achieved that is capitalism and democratic government.

I am voting for Ron Paul. I know he will not win, but I feel it is a better choice than either of the other two.

I'm changing my position on Iraq. The Iraqi prime minister wants us to leave, so I say leave as soon as possible. The moment the current government says they want us out of the country, we should go. I don't think it's the right course to take. I think as soon as we leave, the country will collapse into civil war: but it's not our decision. If the Iraqi parliament wants to take responsibility: so be it.

I'm not for EITHER of them. I'm a Moderate-Democrat, but I usually side with the Democrat no matter what. However, unlike most people my age, I DO follow the issues, and I do not agree with the majority of Obama's political stands. Naturally, I cannot agree with a Republican's either, although I do find McCain to lack a lot more intelligence than most in his party (no offense to anyone here). I cannot vote regardless, but still... I do enjoy ranting to my family and the friends that will listen. lol

#1 all prisoners deserve to be shot (haha just kidding, just the murderers, rapists and identity thievs lol)

#2 Mc Cain doesn't support the use of medical marijuana and turns down questions from those who are near death who need this drug to help them with pain, therefore he gets no vote from me.

But that's mainly why I won't vote for him, I'm sure his other beliefs are just fine and dandy, but I'm looking for better tomorrow, especially for healthcare. Being a chronic pain sufferer myself with a prescription to marijuana...it needs to be recognized by the federal government otherwise there is no chance it will ever be insured, therefore people like me have to spend up to $500 or more a month for their medicine then some counting all the other pills I take...the only way I can manage is because my husband has a really good job. What about people on disability? They would never be able to afford the medication and if they do it's what $50 worth to last them 3 nights, maybe four depending on the pain? It's just wrong, when it's not recognized by the federal government, these shops can charge whatever they want and sometimes over the street price. But I pay for it because it is legal for me. If I were insured, think of what that money could go to? My husband and I want to save up to adopt a child because I am unable to have them because of a disease. $500 dollars a month would REALLY come in handy. And sometimes I have to choose between groceries or medicine which I always choose groceries because we got to eat...sometimes I even have to go without medicine if we need to go on a trip to see family or anything. It's ALWAYS a burden and what with gas prices raising now, oh don't even let me go on folks. I personally like John Edwards because he is very supportive of this and so was Hillary Clinton but then she dropped out. I don't think John Edwards will win for president though because afterall it is a popularity race, I don't think over half the people who vote really TRULY know who they are voting for. Heck, one of the most common misconceptions about politice is that Republicans are snobbish and Democrats are down to earth...that's just not true, it has nothing to do with their personalities and everything to do with their beliefs and promises and the actions they want to take to make this country better.

Okay I'm getting fired up hehe I better scram.............ZIP!

So, when Obama starts to tour Europe, is he going to be giving speeches in German and such? Or can he only say Merci Beaucoup?

U.S went in to make sure WMD's were neutralized. We accomplished that. Now were moderating a Civil war that Sudam had found a way to suppress.
Meanwhile Iran keeps sending in weapons to fuel the civil war. My opinion is let Iran have it all.

I think McCain would be the best for the Economy. But i prefer some of Obama's Diplomacy ideas.