what do you think is the scope of the governments control? do you think it is just as they tell us? Is it fascist-like? or is it something in between?

Also do the corporations and banks control or greatly influence the decisions of the government?

The government has a lot of control that is for sure and I can't persoally state every reason for why but I do believe one thing, I do know that at first them hiding technology from us may have been required as panic spreads like wildfire for example just think about the 'War of the Worlds' radio story. Back in the 40-50s people freaked out, started riots, fled the streets and made havock. I think the government believe if they were to ever really get out the news of an alien spacecraft, they would expect to see this, at least from some people. However, I think more people are open to the possibility these days, I don't think the shock factor would be as bad simply because we are just different. I can handle the truth!

1. Too much
2. No
3. Not yet
4. Yes
5. Yes to "greatly influence"

Just short of george orwell's 1984.total control is there aim.I beleive world domination is the name of the game where everything will be monitored the only hiding place is in your mind and even that may not be secure.its a frightening possibility,but it is happening before our eyes..those countries that resist change will be labelled terrorist and accussed of attrocities they haven't committed,they will then be invaded under the flag of freedom and liberty,when its real flag is control and tyranny,discention will not be tolerated.Free thinkers like us will be heretics and imprisoned for treason,probably executed.The world population will be reduced to make numbers easier to control.the many enslaved by the elite.So the world government is fascist and has been for the last thousand years.You need to look at the whole picture...emcompass everything, its all connected...they have thought of everything.The lie is greater than we imagined.All the wars we have thought have been to this greater goal..there are more to come.

This also depends on what government we are talking about.
The US government is the powerful and influencial of them all, with more secret agendas and projects going on. Remember, 2.3 trillion dollars go somewhere and can not be traced every year here!!!! Thats greater than some countries worth.

America is one of the richest,although not entirley to blame for the current situation.Most of that money you mention probably used on secret research and black projects,so there is no surprise it can't be traced.

It is not one of...it is the richest. Annual budget of over 12 trillion dollars!
Enlighten me if there is one richer.

a quarter of that is unnaccounted for or they can't say what it is spent on.that twelve trillion probably dosent include assets and oversea's interests.So the fulll account is probably much higher.

to root word of government is govern, which is to control or regulate.

to what extent the US and other world governments control is probably one of the most highest guarded secrets in the land.

it is easy to see that the government (in general) is a very popwerful entity. however... that entity is chock full of inept representatives from the highest office to the lowliest bueraucrat. i deal with government reps on a regular basis, at least half of them don't even know what the hell they are doing unless it has something to do with playing favorites or kissing ass.

there is also the illusion of control. to the extent that one believes that they are controlled... then so they are. some parents put the "fear of god" into their children in the hope of keeping them steered in the right direction. even though no parent can wield old testament wrath, the kids may not want to test the theory.

fascism has always been a trait in any authority figure. one cannot enforce their will without AT SOME POINT being able to apply the threat of physical violence or impose psychological intimidation. might makes right as they say. sad as it is, it is absolutely true. how many times have any of us heard the phrase "my way or the highway", "because i say so", or "if you live under my roof you live under my rules"... it is necessary to some degree if order is expected to be maintained.

we live in (US anyway) a CAPITALIST society.... you bet your red-white-& blue ass the banks "greatly influence" national policy. its kind of what the US is known for. the banks own everything, including your house if its not paid in full. and to think we have fought wars to keep it that way.

control can only be maintained if we allow it. the masses have always been able to force ceasar's hand... or cut it off.

what people seem unable to comprehend is that in actuality we run this bitch. Our government is supposed to be the humble servant not us. If we had direct democracy and Americans participated in government instead of voting to chose between two dushbags (Although our votes don't count for shit anyway) we be alright. If the government thinks we are threatened and wants to go to war than the PEOPLE vote on it.If the government thinks we should raise taxes in order to improves social services than the PEOPLE should vote on it and so on and so forth. The media outlets must all be small, independent, and closely observed to promote integrity in news.

I'm sick of rich muthafuckas running shit.

The government does not have too much power.

I think the government tells us the full truth. Unless it is a threat to national security.

Facsism (nationalism) has nothing to do with anything.


Of course banks and corperations have a huge influence on government! Governments will put millions of dollars into an area to try to lure corperations into their city (or country). Government will put millions into an upgraded airport facility to attract airlines. etc.

This post has been edited by Alitalia: Jul 22 2008, 11:06 AM

the government is not the problem, the currupt officials are the problem.

threats to national security should be declared by the public. the public should be greater educated in politics and national security.

This post has been edited by vyrtigo: Jul 22 2008, 01:31 PM

Corporations and government work hand-in-hand. This is actually necessary for an effective democracy. Corporations and financial institutions that promote policies beneficial to the population are encouraged by government leaders and supported with laws by congress. However, when corporations are not held liable for their actions, as in the case of many corporations that have grown too large and deeply involved in government affairs, then abuses occur. A stable system of checks and balances must be found to force these corporations back into line.

In the case of back-engineered technology taken from alien spacecraft, the slow release of the technology into the public domain is a safeguard against the culture shock if the technology were released all at once. Such a sudden release would have a profound impact on society. Industries that would be replaced by the new technology would collapse, throwing huge numbers of people out of work. Official confirmation of alien visitations would inevitably follow. The repercussions of the new "world-view" that included aliens would destroy many long established organizations and social beliefs. Generally speaking, everything would be caught up in a tumultuous revolution of thinking which would unfortunately result in the likely conflict between those who accepted the reality of our place in the universe and those who would try to reject it. Religious organizations would be a major disrupting factor that probably would not diminished for generations until the eventual demise of the particular religion. Governments, all of which are based upon a nationalistic premise, would suffer from a new perspective that would unify human self-awareness as a species in contrast to alien species. Additionally, the eventual release of historical facts that indicates governmental, corporate, and alien collaboration would cause the populace to distrust the government, seek retribution against excessive corporate secrecy, and eventually move everyone toward a one world government. The effects of the disclosure of alien visitations would be incredibly profound to every part of every society on our planet.

So, the question is this: Do we want to change everything and go through the next agonizing step in human development or keep our heads buried in the sand, enjoying our status quo, and ignoring the obvious?

The Government according to me has the global control on everything.
On our money.
On our mind.
On our private life and not private.
On the economy.
On the peace and on the war.
On the Agriculture.
On the conspiracies.
On our health

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Threats to national security should not be declared public. If a terrorist is trying to blow up XYZ building in New York City and the government tells the whole damn world, terrorist might want to change their plan to blow up tower ABC in Chicago...

i wouldn't call it control because there are still people like you, me, and many other people on this forum that are in the process of breaking free. I would call it an enormous and almost inescapable influence.

yes but swiming against the tide is hard work.Sooner or later you sucumb to the flow or get left behind.

p.s or drown.

some people call it control, some people call it justice, some people call it oppression, some people call it freedom.

i call it reality, and its fucked up for most of us.

I could not have said it better myself. I have been accumulating info for the last 14yrs and It is most definately a lie that has been told for a long time now and thats why I try to enlighten people who are close to me. The one thing that amazes me is the need to believe in our government by most. I have educated my children about the REALplan. Indeed it's all surreal and most definately true and all that we have been taught to believe in is a bunch of bull-sh*t.