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We all have different opinions on abductions, from the radical believer to the absolute nonbeliever and somewhere inbetween.
Lets say for a moment that indeed there are some genuine abductions taking place.
What could be done by the abductee and or with help from other family members, neighbor or friends, to obtain proof that they are for real?

Your thoughts and ideas on this?

that would be difficult,9/10 times the abductee is rendered paralised.cctv wouldn't work because of electro-magnetic interference.Only mass witnesses could offer some evidence.i don't think it can be proven,but then i don't believe it happens.

We all see "vague" proof, and for some of us, that can be enough. We all know there can never be completely conclusive proof, so we just have to settle with the basics; odd physical marks, strange dreams, trances, someone (other than the supposed victim) seeing a UFO/bright lights, ect...

But, of course, all of this can be faked, too. It just comes down to gut feeling, I guess.

This post has been edited by GrabThyHand: Jul 21 2008, 01:39 PM

Mufon has been conducting a study where some kind of sensers were placed in abductees homes. They are scheduled to announce the results at the next conference. Not sure what the sensers were for.

I think vidcams would reveal much. Several inside and out with different kinds. The analyses of how they were interferred with for one thing. Exact time of each cam. Audio recordings as well. Possibly even cams aimed at the house from several blocks away.

I think an adequate funding would establish weather a phenomena was occuring or not, even if it could not be establishe exact nature. Even if the proof was all cams failing at the same time, exact nature of failure would be revealing.

True, if there were professional studies done, I'm sure it could reveal a lot; aside from outer physical infractions, there would HAVE to be internal things in a legit abduction case. Chart readings, physical examinations, x-rays, ect. could help a great deal.

I think there are plenty of options available and obviously the best way to implement those options are with people who experience reoccurring abductions.

How about looking for finger prints or other forms of evidence that would normally be found on a crime scene? Something has to be left behind if the aliens are entering homes/cars/etc.

How about locating cameras far enough away that they would not be impacted by the closeness of a UFO or alien? If I can see my house from google earth, then this should not be much of an issue.

What about something stupid like getting 4 or 5 reoccurring abductees together and having them sleep in shifts for weeks at a time until an alien finally arrives to get the one that is sleeping and having the remaining 4 awake abductees do something to get evidence.

The fact that none of these options have ever been explored is unfortunate. But the fact that it wouldn't be terribly difficult to implement and no one has come up with any descent evidence is somewhat deflating.

My thoughts are with a series of cameras set at different distances from the home.
One camera for each setting...a camera to catch high speed action, a camera for infrared and a regular settings camera. Also use a series of different switches to activate and alert if something unusual is taking place. Pressure switches, prox. switches, limit switches and photo eyes. We could also use a unit that detects unusual fluctuations in the electromagnetic field and this could be used to activate the cameras. All devices could be encased in easy home-made Faraday cages to protect them from and known type of EM effects. And finally keep several people on watch.
I think this would be a good start. Beyond that?....dunno.

that sounds like a great idea. The thing i don't understand is why hasn't anyone tried this? You hear about ghost hunting all over the place. It's even all over TV these days. But the closest to alien hunting we get are some tv shows that show up weeks or even years after a sighting has taken place. I don't understand why people aren't doing this. Especially when it really only takes on smoking gun to prove something

I was the victim of a stalker, burgler once for two years before I cought him. This was years ago. Cameras were prohibitivly expensive then. You never knew when they might stike months or weeks apart. A brick through the window once. Another time damage to the car. Theft and harrasment.

You can only stay in a mode of high alert for so long. So the only thing that will work is hidden vcams and detectors that stay on the job. Expense is a big factor, who is going to foot the bill? Survelence is expensive and can be as invasive to life style as the actions it seeks to catch.

This is why organizations like MUFON are so important. They bring resources, funding and expertise to focus. It is obvious that our government does not care enough to act.

We cannot believe in all the people , that say to have been abducted.
But the phenomenon of the abductions is real however.

I don't think proving this is the greatest idea. I don't think this is what we need right now.

This post has been edited by ScottMan: Jul 23 2008, 04:20 PM

I don't think proving this is the greatest idea. I don't think this is what we need right now.

Disagree. Real or not there are many who believe they have been abducted and they seem quite convincing that something has disrupted their lives. Consider also that the abductions start in childhood.

If a human source were responsible for this they would be subject to criminal prosecution and long prison terms. Aliens who do not respect our laws have suspect motives. They should be held accountable. If they want genetic material they should come to the bargaining table. We have sperm banks and frozen eggs.

They take what they want and give back nothing tangible. If our government allows this ubder some kind of deal then they should be held accountable as well. Any party considering themselves above the law is nobody I trust.

and even furthermore we live in an age where obtaining proof of abductions should not be terribly difficult. If the government will not offer disclosure, we can do our part by obtaining evidence. Part of that includes brainstorming the methods in which to do that.

I know, I know that very well. I said what I did because I have an idea of what will be found when this can of worms is opened.

It's the tip of the ice borg. These abduction cases are far more then they seem. This is delving into the most advanced technology ever devised in this universe. This stuff makes anything we have look like child's play. Interdenominational travel? Bah! you have not seen anything yet!

What's worse, it is not just the people abducted that are effected. This stuff has been going on for a very long time. It's been done to your distant relatives, and their distant relatives.

You say this stuff is a crime. You have no idea. They don't do it for "genetic material". That is just the most creative thing WE could come up with. It only goes to show just how primitive we really are. Why to aliens not monitor every little move we make? Because they already know every move we will make.

I am just trying to point out that this hole is deeper then it looks and potentially very dangerous to tamper with when your not prepared.

This post has been edited by ScottMan: Jul 24 2008, 12:57 PM

So what do you know about the alien agenda? or what are your theories?

I think that man needs to keep looking and learning.

I could answer your question and indeed have thought of a number of ways. Overly simple things you could do to a person to rewrite how a person's mind responds can really mess people up. I would hope you would not believe anyone would do this to you or mankind.

We know people are capable of insane acts. What if someone in the past could too? It is not a very nice thing to imagine. I would rather not answer your question or provide proof. I know how to mess not only a person badly, but every descendant of that person too.

I have come across allot information and not all of it is pretty. Anything you can imagine about how to mess up people is child's play. It is armature stuff to what you can do if you know how this mind works and have both evil in your heart, time on your hands and funding.

I don't want people to read this and understand how it is done.

For now people have not given it allot of thought. People don't, in fact almost refuse to believe in a technological past. How can you really mess someone up, and not just him, but all of his descendant's too? How can you twist a race to it's nees?

Much more you will be fighting such things as common sense and other factors. But if can be done.

Why do this? Why not just kill them and spare them the misery?

In our war on terror, can we so easily kill all the terrorists and not hit innocents? If you can't directly stop the terrorist, could someone rationalize an attack of the mind to draw out the enemy? What do you do after you draw them out? What do you do with the innocents that went crazy?

But this is the stuff people would hope did not happen. This is the stuff you laugh at and say it's too crazy to be believed.

This is a very very simple way of looking at what I was talking about. In my last post I said " This is delving into the most advanced technology ever devised in this universe." Well we all know the war gets more money then anyone else. This is a kind of war to end all wars. Just hit the enemy in a way they will not so easy recover form. May God have mercy on the rest that get hit too.