of course humanity possesses "demonic" qualities... greed, lust, corruption, vanity, rage, etc.... but are these traits inspired and propagated by hellish creatures or of our own device?

is demonic possession a reality... or psychosis?

Demons are no more then what you make of them.

I believe they exist deep within all of us.You either ride with the Devil or fly with the Angels.I'm having trouble getting enough speed to take off.

This post has been edited by macdaddy: Sep 4 2008, 03:28 AM

in another thread someone suggested that they do in fact exist, so i thought i'd make a thread of it.

there are many documented cases of demonic possession. footage, audio, you name it. but there is still lingering doubt, even in the religious community.

the church doesn't even acknowledge the phenomenon whole-heartedly. possibly to avoid empowering demonic influence.

demonic possesion can be linked to spirit attatchment, as in recent times there is a link between posession and ouiji boards
however, in the past, i don't know a huge deal about it, but could the symptoms of possesion be similar to the symptoms of epilepsey, or another condition, somthing that was misunderstood

thats kind of what i mean by humanity possessing demonic qualities.



hmm... convulsions and siezures are common in both epilespsy and possession...

perhaps a neurological disorder? but could such a disorder or disease allow one to speak obscure dead languages?

ok yeah that can be hoaxed, but in every case with no record to show the subject is multilingual?

This post has been edited by abadaka: Sep 4 2008, 11:19 AM

well say demonic possesion is the reality, what would be the reasons for a demon to posses a human? because they can't do anything evil with the purpose, all they can do is as you say, speak obscure languages and convlulse and shout a lot, surely if deomnic possesion was real, we wouldn't know about it, it would be the reason behind seemingly good people doing evil things

I have never believed in Demons as a separate entity.
Demons, monsters from the subconscious, exist whithin us all.
Spirits of the departed may sometimes try to fill the role as a demon, but they are not.

This is a very difficult question.
The vision of the demons and the possessions is medieval .
According to the vision of Jung the demons are the alens in the technological era ..
The problem is that a lot of mental illnesses are exchanged for possession ..

if they were real then it would lend a whole lot of credence to the existence of god, therefore possession being an attack on god's children. it seems with all of the linguistics involved there would be a message, perhaps the host would be a conduit or vessel... an antenna.

another common occurance in possession cases is blasphemy, which after all, according to scripture is the ultimate sin. so if a good person can be demonically influenced and made to curse god it may carry some sort of currency in the spiritual realm.



yeah it's difficult to imagine that there may be entities capable of more depravity, calamity, and iniquity than humanity.



Thanks.

Demons are as real as you and me. You can summon them upon you or they will find you themselves. Haven't you ever heard of the Incubus or Succubus? Succubus is a demoness (Female) that sexually rapes men while they sleep. Incubus is a male demon, who sexually rapes women. Women who've never had sex before and are all of a sudden pregnant have experianced an Incubus. It's hard to believe but is common. Don't be fooled though, the bible and all that BS is 100% wrong about demons. They aren't creatures with red eyes, horns & sharp teeth. They are humanoids, meaning they look like humans and act like humans, but they aren't. It's a tough thing to describe, so I'll leave it at that. Some demons are nice others aren't. You can cast demons too through the book of Satanism, but it takes a lot of patience. I've got a demon of my own, but that's all you need to know.

To answer your question. Yes, Demons are real.

I believe its possible for any entity to exist, with malicious ones being no exception. Malice is, after all, the product of emotions. I see no reason why an entity would be free from emotions. The most horrific evils imaginable are wrought by humans. So, certainly, any entity with some sentience, intelligence and emotional capacity would be capable of the same.

As for possessions, I think that, for the most part, possessions are outward manifestations of inward mental states so bizarre as to seem psychotic. A person dealing with this type of psychotic fragmenting personality may have little awareness of it while its occurring and may exhibit 'supernatural' abilities, such as all multiples do. I once knew a woman, (she's dead now) who we arrested on child support charges and incarcerated in the county jail, afflicted with sort of 'demonic' multiple personality disorder. You could walk past her cell and hear many different male voices arguing at the same time. You'd also hearing a dog growling. She went to church there only once during her stay. During the service, two of her male personalities got into a violent spat because one of them was trying to make the woman masturbate in church. The other personality didn't approve of the first's actions. The first then proceeded to spew such obscenities that you would have thought it came straight out of a scene from the Exorcist. And during the whole ordeal, you could hear the woman crying while the two men were arguing. You can't fake something like that and how it is possible, I don't know. The mind is very strange indeed and what we call 'supernatural' is all too natural...we just don't understand the nature of our own minds. This woman, btw, ended up being burnt alive in a car crash shortly after her release.

Other than that, I think its possible for an entity to emotionally influence, and thereby control, weak minded individuals much the same way an abuser will manipulated his victim...emotional abuse...fear...etc...

This post has been edited by iwant2believe2: Sep 4 2008, 01:57 PM

yes of course i've heard of succubi and incubi, sort of like vampires... and yeah some people do act that way. that doesn't mean demons in the sense of extraplanar entities or transdimensional beings are responsible for possessions or even exist. this could be something from within. obviously phenomenal and unexplained, either way.

i don't think the red devil visage comes from the bible does it?

oh and btw... the legend of succubi and incubi are creations of the church. lol. so if the bible is mythology then so are they.

the earliest record of them comes from medieval lore... around the time the catholic church was writing the book on who is a witch and who aint.

other than that the idea of succubi / incubi may originate from one of the big 3 as "Lilith", supposedly the first woman that god created for adam. word on the street is he couldn't handle the situation.

pagans seem to think they have that market cornered, but uh... apparaently catholicism thinks they exist. or did...

there are variations on theme from different cultures throughout history... but the succubus legend originates form the 14th century, even the word succubus. its latin for whore. so if these particular types of demons are older than religion they were known as something else.

as SD and Mac say... we all have our own.

This post has been edited by abadaka: Sep 4 2008, 04:32 PM

The Incubus & Succubus come from many different churches and bibles. From what I know and read, there are different races of them. Each religion has it's own view on what they look like. Most men & women who experiance them claim they look exactly like humans except much more attractive.

Awesome post in so many ways. I like how you bring this away from the 'loaded' words like angel or demon, and just keep it general: entity. It could be anything. And your story about the woman? That's REALLY creepy.

i agree.

yeah... that goes way beyond the linguistic anonmaly.

& i agree that acting skills and talent can't just explain it away.

there are other physical symptoms that can't be readily explained either.