The Navajos of the America speak of a time when shamans could create pictures in the sand with the sound of their voice. Sound was seen, and correctly so, as the tool of creation, not just in symbolic art but the universe as well.

Ancient Egyptian theologies represented God's act of creation as a sound, depicted by the hieroglyph of the mouth and vesica piscis. They taught that the laws governing geometry (the measure of earth or creation) was intertwined with the musical scale. So understood was this concept that the statues of Memnon would emit sound, or a hum, when touched by the rising sun.

Ancient biblical cultures spoke of the Elohim, secondary gods of creation who originated from the one word (sound/vibration/tone) of Creation. The Elohim were gods of light who came from sound. Each possesed a specific creative task in the formation of the universe. They also correspond to the four elements of creation -earth, fire, air and water.

The ancient Greeks refer to it as "The Harmony of the Spheres" and so named their gods, the akousmata, the 'resonant ones'. They believed that the universal vibration, or sound, was prevailent in all matter. (And of course we now know that every atom is in a state of vibration).

In Eastern cultures, sound gives rise to geometrical mandelas which open gateways to the creative subconscious within. The sacred OM sound/vibration, the cosmic sound, is the same as 'crop cirlce hums'.

Sound can produce geometric forms, mandelas, upon physical planes. Magaret Watts-Hughes, an 18th century scientist, demonstrated this when by the sound of her voice she produced mandelas on fine powder.

Is it a stretch, then, to consider that crop circles (not speaking of hoaxed circles) is formed by the creative power of sound and is an attempt to communicate with us in the universal language of geometric forms -symbols which speaks to the buried archtypes present in the psyche? Just a thought. Expand upon it if you wish...

One of the best theories I've heard about crop cirles (except them all being fake)!
Sound could be a method of communication, but how would one figure out whitch ones were fake and whitch one were real? And how would strange music or sounds be easier to desipher than regular symbols? I don't expect you to muster up an answer, just asking myself and others really.

TuTu do you remember the thread on paranormal on evp...well some of the information there might have some relevence here also..the poewr of sound!

Opal Princess x

Dross...you're right, I dont have any other theories! Lol

Opal..yes, and I do believe that sound is the creative force...the christian's "word made flesh" eh?

But perhaps we shouldn't be looking for little green (or grey) men behind the making of crop circles but God itself? Maybe the earth, maybe the universe, maybe all of life...I dont know. If these pictographs are indeed mandelas then that speaks to something spiritual...something profound.

Hmmmmm....that opens up a lot of possibilities. Unfortunately, I can't think of any way to prove or disprove any of them.
It's an interesting thought, tho.
The possibilities are endless.

Hmm...maybe thats why no crop circles have been witnessed being made?(The real ones anyway) Its realy interestin'. Maybe the UFO's emit a sound that makes em? Hell who knows...
Kelli

It's certanly possible, physically. Sound CAN be directed, and the technology is being explored now. Would be great for museums and such (only a person standing within the soundbeam, will hear anything)

Run with it, Dros! I can hear the gears grinding in your brain ....

I know what you're talking about, Dros.
I'm an audio engineer, and some people are trying to perfect that tech. for live sound reinforcement, but I still haven't heard of anything that would create something as large as a crop circle, or with that sort of effect on a field, especially without emitting a lot of sound. (a very high frequency of that magnitude would simply shake a plant to dust, and a low one would cause a rumble that would be felt for miles...all else would just be LOUD!)
It's still an interesting thought, though.

Kelly, I dont know too much about the technical aspects if it, but what about infrasound and ultrasound?

You can still feel ultra and infrasound, tutu. Sound is still only movement of energy in a medium, shifting the medium particles (air here), making waves we interprate as sound. If it's outside our hearing, we can still fell the air variations (waves).

But I thought the beam could be conscentrated to only the wanted are of effect, kelly. They are also trying to using sound in surgery. Like with gallbladders and cidneystones. I've seen them direct sound into pulses that smack the daylights out of the stone in a watertank, not making any dents elsewhere, but just pressure on the stone. This is not the technology I spoke of earlier though. New one, this (well, it's older than soundbeams, but new to this thread).

Another thing, kelly, you are a sound engineer, right (wow, what a coinsidence!)? I thought the whole point of the consentrated sound was to make sure nobody else heard it. Like you could have a teenager listening to heavy rock in one corner of the room, and the parents watching a romatic drama in the other corner, none of them hearing eachother. Or does this not include the waves bouncing off the person in the beam? So some sounds WILL be heard then? Just asking.

Dros...would it be like a low vibration or something? And if these things are done in the middle of the night in the middle of no where, would anyone even really notice it?

Tutu I did start a thread (And for the keeper of the scrolls to confess he's forgotten where it is is a terrible thing) but there is a thread I made in crop circles dealing with accoustics and how early man harnessed the power of accoustics to induce trance like states and alter their consciousness. They did it by creating specifically designed structures to induce the accoustics when the wind blew. It is so powerful that it has almost killed at least one scientist when he happened to stand in the wrong place at the wrong time!

Ben x

Ben let me know when you remember where it's at....

Dros...would it be like a low vibration or something?
All dependng on the frequency (fluctuations per second), yes. Either as fealt individual thumps of pressure on you, or fealt as a vibration. Just keep in mind that it is the air particles being moved that you feel, kinda lika short bursts of wind.

And if these things are done in the middle of the night in the middle of no where, would anyone even really notice it?
As you can read above, on Ben's post, sound can be quite powerful. If any sound powerful enough to brake/bend cropcirles is produced, without the technology to block it from escaping out in other directions, people would have been heard/fealt.

Off topic: as a demo of how powerful low/high frewuency can be fealt, the US army was developing sound weapons, where they send in beams of sound in such a frequency as to render enemies in builiding for instance, harmless. They'd vomit, feel disoriented and not at all combat fit.

Tutu I have scoured the board and cannot find them. There was once a heated debate with Raj Ajit and myself which got so heated it burned through the forum floor and Xander had to step in and extinguish it (Along with about 20/30 posts) It may have been in there (Yes Ben used to be argumentative...LOL) Anyway here's the basic outline.

Scientists noticed that primitive 'round houses' in France Germany etc were very similiar in construction and design to those in Scotland. The most striking feature of the design was that the simplest method of construction hadn't been used in some of the buildings. The stones had been laid one on top of the other but with a protrusion, not flush with one another. Whilst studying the circular houses at Skaara Brae in Orkney Scotland on a windy day. One scientist went inside to use laser measuring equipment which he sat in the middle of the circle. His colleague was outside with the van getting equipment. When he enters the house he found the first scientist in a state of unconsciousness lying on the floor. He rushed to his aid and whilst doing so became aware of a change in his senses. He felt as though he was drunk and staggered whilst trying to drag his colleague from the house.

When he had him outside he appeared to have stopped breathing so he gave him the kiss of life and within minutes he was fine. They were both shocked at what had happened but decided it had something to do with the accoustics of the building.

They then set about studying in France, Germany and Scotland and discovered that depending on the length of the tunnel entrance into a roundhouse when the wind blew it emitted a sound that could not be heard by humans but affected the senses. This was at it's most acute in the centre of the circle.

Now the latest thinking is that these 'special' buildings were where a Shaman like figure would go and stand in the centre and possibly (In his/her mind) change dimensions and pass messages from the God's. Those around him or her would also feel drunk on the effects but not as heightened as the Shaman in the centre. They had worked out how to get the wind and harness it to create "A different state of Consciousness". A dangerous one for the Shaman but nonetheless a powerful altered state. We now really need to urgently re-evaluate the shape of buildings from pre-history and try and understand the symbiosis between them and nature. Something which we hadn't even thought about before. To us they were 'Just Houses'.

There's much more to the pre-historic human than we give credit for.
I hope that enlightens you some. This was produced by Horizon (A BBC television series) which deals normally with big issues at the cutting edge of a particular science. It is one of our most respected programmes for scientific content.

Ben x

Dros,
The point is that no one else will be able to hear it. Have you ever heard feedback at a concert? A lot of times that's because the overall volume on the stage is too loud...the tech we're talking about would be used for monitors, and could greatly improve the stage volume delimma.
People don't reflect sound waves very well, but they do a great job of absorbing them.
And also, this is a weird one, but the sound the army created/discovered is called "brown noise" and it's right around 5-7 htz.

(sorry if ppl think this is off-topic but it isnt)


"The Navajos of the America speak of a time when shamans could create pictures in the sand with the sound of their voice. Sound was seen, and correctly so, as the tool of creation, not just in symbolic art but the universe as well"


I have this game called- Popules:tha new begning - these a shaman (tha main person) that can cast spells and creat tornados and valcanos with her voice (heres a website- http://stuart.servepics.com/My%20HomePage/...us/popthetb.htm )

I'm with you on the first part, but on that second part, all I had to read was the word "game".

how would one figure out whitch ones were fake and whitch one were real

In genuine formations the stems are not broken but bent,normally about an inch off the ground and near the plant's first node. In special cases, the plants are bent six inches from the top of the head. Such features defeat the hoax argument, since a plank or garden roller is required to flatten the crop to the ground, resulting in damage to the plant stems.

The plants appear to be subjected to a short and intense burst of heat which softens the stems to drop just above the ground at 90º, where they reharden into their new and very permanent position without damage.

The tremendous application of local heat is also responsible for altering the local water table, as millions of gallons of surface and sub-surface water is evaporated. With the heat and electromagnetic frequencies applied, it has been scientifically documented that soil samples taken from within crop circles show changes to its crystalline structure and mineral composition. Experts say such a process requires temperatures of 1500º C and sub-soil pressure typically found in strata thousands of years old. Evidence even exists of four non-naturally occuring, short-life radioactive isotopes in the soil inside genuine crop circles (these dissipate after three or four hours); the soil in around them appears to have been baked.

Genuine crop circles are areas of gently laid and swirled plants which create a floor in mathematical proportions similar to the Golden Mean, the vortex used by nature to create precision organisms such as shells, sunflowers, the spatial relationship of the bones in the human hand, even galaxies. The floor of crop circles can have up to five layers of weaving, all in counterflow to each other, with every seed head intact and placed beside each other as if arranged in a museum case.

Genuine crop circles are not perfectly round but slightly elliptical.

Mathematically, genuine crop circles encode obscure theorems based on Euclidian geometry as well as the principles of sacred geometry. So far,the designs have yielded five new theorems.

Hardly the kind of anomalies created by pranksters with planks. That is how you figure out which ones are fake and real Drosophila. Fakes do not have show any of these anomilies that genuine crop circles have.