In response to the suggestion from ArianeIV, and his post regarding lens flare that you will find below, this thread has been created. The purpose of this thread is so people can instruct others on natural phenomena that often get mistaken for UFOs and it should help with the classification of UFO photographs and general improve the quality of investigation.

This is copied from http://alien-ufos.com/forum/showthread.php?p=44766 because it isn't possible to move the actual post and not have it appear at the top of this thread.

:alien: eye get optical flares all the time in my photos...when eye was young in the everglades eye didnt think to bring a camera as eye was not expecting ufo's.....or the florida skunk ape..tears..

love is the need wanting the soul....
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There is a green fireball "movie" on this page some people reported as being what they thought was a UFO. It's REALLY green, too! But, it's not a UFO:

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/as...ul_1.htm?friend

A UFO means a vehicle intelligently controlled from another world/planet/dimesnion. It does not mean every single anonomous light seen in the sky or in a photograph seen days later. These days people are quick to say UFO.

Being unidentified is not what the original UFO word meant. To be unidentifiable it means that it does erratic movements not known to mankind, that they can do right hand turns on a dime-the best jets in the world turn over miles not a dime.

Also how high is it?? If you can see it clearly then its not a UFO-if you cannot identify it doesnt mean its from elsewhere.. Its a light in the sky that isnt doing anything but being a light in the sly.

Also most of the very good photographs are slightly blurry-probably from the power source between the camera and inside the craft. The Chilean shot by the Military ship by the Professional cameraman shows that even the best photographers confronted with an unusual object will take unusal photographs and not that clear either, so what hope do we mere mortals have.

Especially with the defective digitals on the market where the defects ore not on the outside of the camera by inside and on the production line where dust and being careful dont mix. You would never find these constant defects in a good SLR and I never have.

The only thing a very good high spopeed camera will pick up is lens flares, it does not produce-except when the inside lens and mechanisms fail do they produve defective photos such as the thousands seen on the internet, most say they didnt see it but there digital picked it up. That says a lot.

I have met a Chilean Air Force pilot who was vectored to an object almost half a mile long. As he approached and asked what they wanted him to do-to proceed, they said to confront it and try to indentify it. He said and I quote to me "This object we saw from a distance of 10 miles and we were closing fast, but as we approached it seemed to just move away and always stayed just out of the reach our our jet aircraft. Then it turned and in an instant we picked up on radar-ground and in two jet aircraft-that it had sped away at an astonishing speed of over 10,000 M.P.H. Now that can be said to be a UFO in the classic sense.

I gave this report to Stanton Friedman when he tourded here back in 1996.

I have two photograps I took of an unusual light one night, and if you would like I can post it, now many will call it a UFO, as they dont know what it could be, but does that make it a true UFO?

I also have very good Nikon Lens flares.

T.c. - Hi.

I am a field investigator with MUFON. The acronym U.F.O. stands for "unidentified flying object," period. It DOES NOT mean "a vehicle intelligently controlled [by beings] from another world/planet/dimension(sic)" as you have stated. This is a misconception many people have. I can understand it, but that is not the definition of UFO.

UFOs can be stars, satellites, etc. - ordinary objects - to those people who see them, until they get help from qualified investigators trained to find out what normal objects (IFOs - identified flying objects) the sightings could pertain to. Then, of course, they cease to be UFOs, and then are classified as IFOs.

Most of the cases I have been on turn out to be normal IFOs. It might be disappointing to the witness to find out they did not witness a UFO after all, but it is better to know the truth. Satellites are often thought to be UFOs - lights travelling steadily, high in the sky. Using a good online chart will often help identify the unidentified.

I also believe strongly that most UFOs are military craft from black project funding, often called black ops. When the stealth bomber was being tested secretly in the late 70's and 80's, a lot of triangular UFOs were reported. Investigators didn't know about the stealth craft at that time and now have to go back and reexamine those cases. Still to this day, this misidentification can and is still being made by witnesses everywhere. Our government does not release information on the flight plans for this aircraft.

It is the craft that behaves erratically that has the best chance of being alien craft.

Word of advice? If you want to see UFOs - look up!

Hi there

I have footage of weird phenomena. I am good friends with Bill Chalker who did the worlds frist PCR DNA tests on hair samples-I am also friends and do Peter Khouyrs website who had the hair samples.

I had my first true UFo sighting in 1979 and that was no military craft.

My point was that the original designation for a UFO was that which was not from this planet, these days anyone says UFO.

To me a light in ths sky does not constitute a true UFO until it does something of an extraordinary manner. Satellites are not true ufos as they can be tracked. and seen night after night if you know where to look, do not change direction and dont move that fast t the eye. One UFO we saw travelled the entire sky in less than 5 seconds.

No the true word UFO was originally called UFO of such a craft that could not be indentified under any circumstances as being of earthly technology. The majority of the 600-1500 or so in project blue Book that are marked "Unexplained" they fall into this category.

Nowdays someone who never looks up sees a light and says I saw a UFO. What did it do?? nothing it just wasnt a plane..that is not a UFO, that is someone not knowing that much about what flies in the sky.

I have sen a Triangular craft with 5 freinds and there kids-of which I drew the sighting and it burnt a hole into a cloud as it flew through and then the cloud had this cone shaped hole for over 30 minutes.

I have seen a 1500 by at least 400 metres wide craft that looked like an air craft carrier on its side out of the water, I watched that with the local politician and his wife and over 100 people on a beach. That thing was so huge the only thing that could have come close to it on Earth was the Zeppelin that blew up in the early 1900s. Two fighter jets flew over it a few times.

I have footage (3 hours) Showing an object change shape and colour and jump in one frame over 50kms then change direction and shape and pulsed from white through red then jumped again another 50 or so Kilometre.

I have seen with 5 friends which we reported and hundreds reported to the local radio station of three house sized reddish objects that went low across the sky doing very unusual formation manourvers then one just went flat out into the earth-one went straight up and appeared to leave the atmosphere and the other just disappeared.

And on and on, all; these cannot be explained conventially and these to me are true UFOS. Not of this world, and with zero length zero time technology do not have to travel light years to get here, they travel billions of light years if they so choose in seconds with zero length zero time technology.

It wasnt until the space program that Ufos were extended to those objects outside the Earth such as what Apollo 11 filmed a day from Earth.. While technology shows that most sightings these days could be Earthbound military vehicles thats now....But to me and millions of others a UFO literally means not of this Earth or technology not of this Earth.

Now we have technology which can hoodwink you into thinking its a UFO and thats what the majority of people are seeing, IFOS not UFOS. It might be a UFO to them but not to those who can explain what they have seen by researching where, what time, and what was flying in the area that was known, until you do that its IFO that is unidentified as yet.

A true UFO is never ideindtified and remains a UFO. Like Mantells crash....or the Chilean Pilot whos brother told me of his 10,000mph UFO, a true UFO-we have scram jet technology now but thats not the same as having a craft you can actually control at the same speeds.

What a truly terrible definition you have of UFO (no offense). Anomalies gave you a fine definition of UFO, yet you come back and do the thing you hate people doing. YOU are throwing around UFO incorrectly; a UFO is an unidentified flying object, not necessarily an extra-terrestrial craft. In fact, UFO was deemed to mean an unidentified flying object, not something that is other-worldly. True, the examples you give are UFOs, but not all UFOs are like the examples you gave. Sorry if this sounded harsh, but what this site desperately needs is a strong definition of UFO, ET, IFO, and other terms, and quite frankly, you're not helping.

Pardon my naieviety...goes back to not talking about ufos....

I agree... T.c. you do not need to invent new definitions by wishful thinking. A UFO is unidentified, that means it is neither identified as alien, a craft, a bird or even an artificial object...

Misidentifaction for anything that people see.

I mean anyone can go out right now see an object 30 miles away and say it was a UFO, to me that is just plain silly. If you cannot see it clearly or it doesnt do anything unusual at a distance other than you do not know what it is, that to me (my opinion okay) is not a TRUE UFO.

its someone who knows not alot about jets etc..stating the saw a UFO. IF researchers went with these reports there would be no answers at all. As you said a bird could be called a UFO- to me that is not my interperatation of a UFO>at all, its a person freaking out over a bird!

Then the derfinition is wrong, if a bird can be part of a UFO definition its totally wrong. I mean go back to the real UFOS of the 40's and 50's. Greenish balls which sometimes exploded is not a bird or a plane or a jet.

Craft that out ran military jets of the time, are defintely a UFO. I have a good eyewitness account froma Chilean Air Force Pilot (which I gave to Stanton Friedman when he was here) where the Military Aircraft vectored in on the object and then it proceeded to go straight up at an estimated 10,000MPH, he also did an interview with me on the radio here about it.

Even the Triangles to me (I have seen one with 7 people, and a friend who sadly died a few years ago, saw a mile long one in the U.S) these are not unidentified they are Earthly craft. All this talk about triangles being unbelievable and how can they fly etc..., becasue there what a triangle?

Have a look at the Euro jet and see what it does-that thing can hover, go backwards, and can do turns that no other craft on earth can perform., triangles are not unknown in military circles and in FACT the Belgium Air Force claimed they were told that they were American Triangular craft that flew over Europe in '89.

I have a good tape called "Black Projects-black aircraft". Where it shows these Triangles. Military people includign generals talk of 15-25 times the speed of sound in this video.

While the definition if a UFO is just unidentifiable, that to me should be changed-The 50s defintion was alot better than just being unidentifiable-it meant a truly amazing craft/vehicle/object/lights etc...

You just have to read internet boards to see most people have no idea the difference between something they just dont know about and something truly remarkable.

Here is a perfect example of something truly unusual and has still not been identified.It was sen as a UFo that day and is still unideintifable and no military base knows what they could have been who I have spoken to.

From May-Nov 2004 I filmed unusual craft doing excercises etc.., in the same time frame there were many sightings of very strange Helicopter type craft that hovered low over trees with no sound whatsover in daylight and in the evening.

This culminated in this very interesting account.

A lady had rang up the local radion station in Sydney 2 GB. I luckily was going through the stations when I heard a UFO report coming up...She stated she had just seen a very unusual event outside her home watched by her neighbours and her children and their children.

This flaming looking helicopter on fire (her words) came over the houses and then stopped mid air and started to burn in front of our eyes. Then two more helicopter looking objects came down to the burning one, and they all just went straight up , and then they turned into what she described as "Jelly fish or turnip looking) which meant that there were all these long strands of burning soemthing hanging from al the craft-then they just slowly took off straight up and disappeared, no sound whatsover. That to me is a UFO.

They have a good sight of the objects, they had multiple witnesses and they had a sketch... They also had half the town who reported it in the next few weeks, until one of these people left a message on my website about this incident. By the way the radio station guy ( I knew hed say this) asked "were you drinking". She said no and neither was her or her neighbours 8-12 yr olds..

I am just tired of every single sightings of planes/birds etc, are mixed up in reports of true UFOS>ActuallY if your interested I can show you a UFO/BIRD. I have a photograph my friend took once in the 70s at the beach with me.

he said as he was taking a photograph of the ocean, "What was that" and in the photograph it appears on first look to be a true UFO, that is highly unusual and unidentifiable and appears to be travelling very fast.

I showed that for a few weeks around the internet, and what people saw in that was amazing. Not one person thought it looked anything but a metallic UFO stretching as it travelled fast past the camera. That could well be so, but I believe its just a bird flying in front of the lens at the exact time he took the photograph.

Again my point is its up to the person who saw it to search for other explanations other than it was a UFO>You just have to search google to see how many fake pictures and photos that are something else said to be a UFO>

as for this:Sorry if this sounded harsh, but what this site desperately needs is a strong definition of UFO, ET, IFO, and other terms, and quite frankly, you're not helping.

Wasnt harsh, why should I worry what others say back to me??As if my opinion will do anything.That is plain silly.. There is a million ideas about UFOS on the net, why is yours right?? I have seen what I know are real UFOS in the true sense, I have also had encounters while wide awake...I know what my definition is I think that UFO researchers need to change there stance on this.

If a bird and a plane can be in the same bag as a ufo, then the definition is completely wrong, and if you cant see that then your research is also wrong!

I have seen things that defy logical explanation, not just WOW a UFO everytime I see something in the distance...There are no right or wrong answers so how can you we both be right and wrong??

T.c.,
Could you perhaps post some of the amazing video footage you've recorded?

Hey hey,

Fox mulder here with big news on your photos... There fake! Sorry to tell you this but all you can see in these is the suns reflection in the lense. If you also look on the second photo the UFO would be too close to the church and ground, its also to small.

The photo above the skyscraper was at midday, pointing that this photo has been faked as the sun would of been in the right angle to get a reflected beam.

We all know these photos are fake. Its too clear. Also new york city isn't a hotspot.

I set you a challenge now... Get a photo where it isnt in the day light.

Fox mulder

[QUOTE=T.c]I mean anyone can go out right now see an object 30 miles away and say it was a UFO, to me that is just plain silly.[/QUOTE]
Exactly that is what an UFO is and what often happens!

[QUOTE]If you cannot see it clearly or it doesnt do anything unusual at a distance other than you do not know what it is, that to me (my opinion okay) is not a TRUE UFO.[/QUOTE]
It is still an UFO and if you call it untrue then you might do so. And yes unidentified MEANS that you do not know what it is, for whatever reason. That is what most of the videos show and are based on. On the missing of information.

[QUOTE]its someone who knows not alot about jets etc..stating the saw a UFO. IF researchers went with these reports there would be no answers at all. As you said a bird could be called a UFO- to me that is not my interperatation of a UFO>at all, its a person freaking out over a bird![/QUOTE]
That is YOUR own created definition. You might have that but it is not the official one, nor is such subject to interpretation as it is clearly formulated...
It is not more unidentified because someone who knows planes saw it, nor if it was too far away to be able to identify it... it still IS unidentified.

[QUOTE]Then the derfinition is wrong, if a bird can be part of a UFO definition its totally wrong. I mean go back to the real UFOS of the 40's and 50's. Greenish balls which sometimes exploded is not a bird or a plane or a jet.[/QUOTE]
No, it is an unidentified object and as long as you do not know that it is a bord it still is unidentified... you the meaning as it is often used in wring context and totally out of line. That is understandable but not correct.

[QUOTE]Craft that out ran military jets of the time, are defintely a UFO. I have a good eyewitness account froma Chilean Air Force Pilot (which I gave to Stanton Friedman when he was here) where the Military Aircraft vectored in on the object and then it proceeded to go straight up at an estimated 10,000MPH, he also did an interview with me on the radio here about it.[/QUOTE]
We are not talkig about weird conclusions from unclear facts we are simply talking about the definition... a bird can outrun a military jet for an observer on the ground that does not make it an UFO... nor is a satellite a UFO which is clearly faster than any jet.

[QUOTE]Even the Triangles to me (I have seen one with 7 people, and a friend who sadly died a few years ago, saw a mile long one in the U.S) these are not unidentified they are Earthly craft. All this talk about triangles being unbelievable and how can they fly etc..., becasue there what a triangle?[/QUOTE]
I say it was a plane... then it is not a UFO. And again: a UFO is NOT by definition any alien craft! If you mean alien craft you simply use this term...

[QUOTE]Have a look at the Euro jet and see what it does-that thing can hover, go backwards, and can do turns that no other craft on earth can perform.[/QUOTE]
:laugh: Well you are way overestimating our little toy... at least if you really mean the Eurofighter...

[QUOTE]While the definition if a UFO is just unidentifiable, that to me should be changed-The 50s defintion was alot better than just being unidentifiable-it meant a truly amazing craft/vehicle/object/lights etc...[/QUOTE]
lol... yes I am sure the military will adapt this term to your pleasure.

[QUOTE]You just have to read internet boards to see most people have no idea the difference between something they just dont know about and something truly remarkable.[/QUOTE]
Exactly that is why the term UFOs can describe all of those sightings...

[QUOTE]Here is a perfect example of something truly unusual and has still not been identified.[/QUOTE]
Might be, might be... does still not change it. A bird that is not recognized as a bird is also not identified regardeless of how many or how qualified people saw it...

[QUOTE]I am just tired of every single sightings of planes/birds etc, are mixed up in reports of true UFOS>ActuallY if your interested I can show you a UFO/BIRD. I have a photograph my friend took once in the 70s at the beach with me.[/QUOTE]
I can understand your point but that still does not help the definition... I myself are not happy if a bird is presented as UFO... but as soon as we know it is a bird it is no UFO anymore... understand?

[QUOTE]as for this:Sorry if this sounded harsh, but what this site desperately needs is a strong definition of UFO, ET, IFO, and other terms, and quite frankly, you're not helping.[/QUOTE]
I gave the definition of UFO: unidentified flying object... there is nothing to do about it, sorry. For more detailed information AEP, OTO and others are used by the research department staff.

[QUOTE]Wasnt harsh, why should I worry what others say back to me??As if my opinion will do anything.That is plain silly.. There is a million ideas about UFOS on the net, why is yours right??[/QUOTE]
Because that is what people see and what is practicable for the daily use on a ufo board. Also it is the official military definition and the most logical one.

[QUOTE]I have seen what I know are real UFOS in the true sense, I have also had encounters while wide awake...I know what my definition is I think that UFO researchers need to change there stance on this.[/QUOTE]
I do not think so.

[QUOTE]If a bird and a plane can be in the same bag as a ufo, then the definition is completely wrong, and if you cant see that then your research is also wrong![/QUOTE]
That is the difference between research and belief. Research does have strict rules that do not apply only when it suits your needs... and we do not change definitions because they do not suit us but only if the very thing itself demands it. We do introduce new ones if new knowledge requires this. In this case I do not see the need or the practical aspect of what you propose.

[QUOTE]I have seen things that defy logical explanation, not just WOW a UFO everytime I see something in the distance...There are no right or wrong answers so how can you we both be right and wrong??[/QUOTE]
As I said I can understand that you want a classification that describes 'possible' alien crafts or the like. I can support this, but the term UFO is fixed and I really do see no reason why to change it. You can come up with a classification if you like... the term UFO is already defined for me.

Did you actually read the thread title? :laugh:
They are both 100% real. And no, they do both definitly not show an object of any kind... this thread is about effects that are able to produce UFOs claimed to be alien craft.

I took a picture of a strange light it turned out to be a stadium light.

From alienationsam

heres a quick article on image manipulation with some pic examples.
http://www.rense.com/general32/faking.htm

I'm not sure !!!

Flies are often mistaken for UFOs, especially as they are usually moving quickly.
This can cause a blur which makes them look like saucers.
I have circled the flies which could be mistaken for UFOs.


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Birds can also look like UFOs.

I saw this fly accross just before I took the photo, so I know it was a bird