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T.c
post Jun 30 2005, 10:25 PM
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My friend and I were in a deep discussion the other night about Neutron Stars.

In the course of this I mentioned how I had a theory on Atoms having a memory. He explained how a metal shape had been demostrated to be able to go back to its original shape, called a shape memory. I thought what if atoms had a memory. And that there paths were not chaotic and random, but on an actual pre-determined path and that they also remember their past.

Weird thing was while we discussing this a good doco on Discovery showed Los Alamos and Sandria in Mehico working on a atom based device which pressed atoms together to form what they believe is the same temperatures as the sun, the idea being to make your own sun, they even mentioned in this program that this device would harness enough energy to give the world unlimited power supplies.

Science says that its very hard to predict the future unless you can follow the paths of atoms-which for now is impossible. Chaos theory the same.

My theory revolves around whether we can predict outcomes/future events and even past events by finding out if Atoms store this memory of there life.

If pre-determined futures can be altered then maybe we can also somehow in the dustant future grabb millions of atoms and somehow design a tv type set or similar which can decypher the past of an atom and where it has been and then find out if we can actually change the future by reading an Atoms memory.

I know this might sound silly, but my freind said that this question belongs in Quantum Mechanics, so anyone into Quantum Physics that can set me straight??
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This isnt my field..not at all. BUT what it does dovetail nicely with is the idea that some have that perhaps "information" is actually a physical characteristic. I cant get into it at the moment, but if you want to believe in life on other planets and so on then you are going to be required to also believe that "information" is somehow a physical property. I will explain another time maybe...
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post Jul 1 2005, 08:31 PM
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I am convinced that all our lives are pre-determined-I also have a theory on how we were first placed here and who did that..
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post Jul 3 2005, 04:37 AM
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I am convinced that all our lives are pre-determined-I also have a theory on how we were first placed here and who did that..


Why do u think everything is predetermined?
And wuts ur theory on who placed us here?
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post Jul 3 2005, 07:47 AM
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In the course of this I mentioned how I had a theory on Atoms having a memory. He explained how a metal shape had been demostrated to be able to go back to its original shape, called a shape memory. I thought what if atoms had a memory. And that there paths were not chaotic and random, but on an actual pre-determined path and that they also remember their past.

The effect of a memory metals relies on the grid structure. It cannot be ported to atoms though. The principle is simple and in basic the same as we know it from a switch. The grid switches between two states to compensate a mechnical distortion of the metal. One of these positions, the 'normal' position is the lowere energetical state. Mechanical distortion now does switch some of those grid cells to the other state. Heating the metal then overcomes the energy barrier between those two states and the metal switches back into the 'normal' lower energetic state.

Weird thing was while we discussing this a good doco on Discovery showed Los Alamos and Sandria in Mehico working on a atom based device which pressed atoms together to form what they believe is the same temperatures as the sun, the idea being to make your own sun, they even mentioned in this program that this device would harness enough energy to give the world unlimited power supplies.

In basic this is what is called fusion research. The ignition processes can be manyfold, the problems are too. smile.gif

Science says that its very hard to predict the future unless you can follow the paths of atoms-which for now is impossible. Chaos theory the same.

It is in fact indeed totally impossible in every scientific theory.

My theory revolves around whether we can predict outcomes/future events and even past events by finding out if Atoms store this memory of there life.

Your thought would only work if there is an infinite amount of information to be stored inside an atom. That would mean that one specific information would be infinitessimal small. And that would mean it would be impossible to find. smile.gif

If pre-determined futures can be altered then maybe we can also somehow in the dustant future grabb millions of atoms and somehow design a tv type set or similar which can decypher the past of an atom and where it has been and then find out if we can actually change the future by reading an Atoms memory.

There are a lot more problems to that but I will give you only one to think about: Think about good old Heisenberg and then tell me where this electron/atom was? You cannot. It is one of the most basic and annoying pronciple that we cannot determine the exact location and speed of anything at the same time. Nature is mean and has prevented such attempts from people, who hope to find the future to be deterministic. It has put the non-locality in place...

I know this might sound silly, but my freind said that this question belongs in Quantum Mechanics, so anyone into Quantum Physics that can set me straight??

Well questions are never silly only mindless claiming is. On a quantum level you have other but equally restrictive things to cope with. It gets quite a bit into philosophy such as 'does something make a sound if no one hears it'. In quantum mechanics you rely only on probabilities and it get quite mathematically.
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