Boy-oh-boy. While it may not be impossible I find it very difficult to swallow.
Why didn't the indians speak of it? Why didn't a cowboy or some settlers, prospectors find it by now?
Sounds looney to me.

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/grandcanyon2.html

There is just no way to tell if it is true form the article. They mention paintings made by local Indians of aliens on cave walls from the time of the crash. Showing them would be a good thing to have included in the article.

This post has been edited by ScottMan: May 11 2008, 01:29 PM

Seems that the proof is always spirited away by the secret government. Either our government is working against our wishes to the point that we should question how to toss it all out and start over, or its just a convenient way to create attentian getting rumors.

If the government of the US has done even half the cover ups of which they are accused, then the government should be systemeticly dismantled and reassembled. To hide what everyone wants to know about is certainly not representative of the will of the people, as our government purports to be.

Of course lots of people could claim all kinds of fantastic things, with the government conviently hiding the evidence.

What bothers me about all that is you would think just once someone would take photos and call the press before notifying athorities. That is what I would do.

Cover up? Its been there for 4,000 years. What, tribal governments covered up? Lincoln? Taft?

I thought this was going to be a spoof of the "1.5 billion year old alien craft on the moon!!" story.

I really wouldn't just call it off completely. It very well might be true, we hear stories like this a lot, perhaps it could be true, we just don't have any proof of it either way. I personally think it would be fantastic if it were true and if it is it would be one of the greatest cover up stories of all time. Imagine how many other cover ups have taken place in the last 50-60 years that we simply do not have any knowledge of. Maybe some of this information is finally beginning to get leaked. He did give out a name. We just have to begin doing a bit of our own research to get to the bottom of these claims. Or heck maybe even contacting the "UFO Hunters".

sleepingladybug

This post has been edited by sleepingladybug: May 11 2008, 10:37 PM

Ok. After doing (literally) 10 minutes of research we can say this is bogus. This is a report from the WORLD WEEKLY NEWS. The article has all the hallmarks of tabloid journalism.. only one source, an astronomer who shows up no where else in any records, a bunch of vague statements (carbon testing..? on what??), etc.

World Weekly News is the same newspaper that documents the life of "BATBOY", prints the pictures of 600 pound 3 year olds, the President talking with Egyptian mummies, etc.

Bogus.

Let me take this thoroughly apart:

4,000 YEAR OLD
How do you know how old it is? More later.

UFO
Being that it is no longer either unidentified (it's a spherical alien ship) or flying (I think it just kinda sits there real still), at best we can only call it an O, as in [no longer UF]O

FOUND IN GRAND CANYON!
Pffft. Yeah, right. More on this crock o' masculine bovine excretia later.

BY LISA MERAKIS
Writer of such austere Pulitzer material as:
MEN FROM MARS TRADED WITH ANCIENT EGYPT !
http://www.textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1176.ufo

SPACE ALIENS ABDUCTING EARTH WOMEN and forcing them to have sex
http://www.textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/3000/3286.ufo

"Man Comes Back to Life and Tells Docs: 'Hell Is Great.'"
Referenced in this article (Though I wish to God I could find the original)
http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/19990518tony.asp

Side note: Favorite quote ever ...



Flagstaff, Ariz. - A team of experts called in to examine strange debris
Wait. Now it's debris? I thought it was in 'good condition'? See below.


at the bottom of the Grand Canyon
Obviously Lisa has no idea how thoroughly and how many times the entire Grand Canyon basin has been surveyed.

discovered the wreckage
I thought it was in good condition ... see below.

of a UFO
I keep tellin' ya: it was just an O.

that crashed
How do they know it didn't land abruptly?

a mind boggling 4,000 years ago!
I don't find it THAT mind-boggling. If aliens can land now, surely they could have 4,000 years ago.

The scientists, members of a highly secret
not anymore


joint military
Doesn't that usually mean TWO groups. What two groups are we talking about, 'cause I only see 'military'.

task force on UFOs
Kinda outta their league. It's only an O.

, inspected the spherical craft
It's still spherical? I thought it crashed ...

and found it to be in good condition
Wait. What happened to 'wreckage' and 'debris'?

despite its rough landing
Okay. Now I'm pistoned. Did it 'land' or did it 'crash'. Make up your fracking mind.

and incredible age.
Well, not THAT incredible.

The relic
Well, technically, a relic is
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/relic
I t'ink we're assuming a lot here.

is made of an unknown metallic substance
Make up your mind! Is it a 'metal' or a 'substance'? Does it have an ice-creamy texture?

and emits low levels of radiation
Why is there no evidence of ecological contamination downstream if it's been emitting radiation for 4,000 years?

according to leaks
Heheh, leaks. Hehehe.

from highly placed sources. It was immediately removed from the site and is now in a secret location.
Well, at least the 'highly placed sources' are no longer 'leaking' in public.

My contacts tell me this craft is definitely of extraterrestrial origin
No fracking shirt, Sherlock! It's 4,000 years old. It sure as frack wasn't human, was it?

and without a doubt
This is hilarious. Read the next bit.

carried a crew of 12 to 20 individuals
What, you're not sure? Is that a doubt as to how many could be onboard?

, said Dr. Henry Leaumont, a California based astronomer
Must be a pretty amazing scientist, considering his name only shows up in google in THIS article. Now, MY name might not be all over the net, but then I'm not a DR, not am I an astronomer.

who contacted this reporter after he was shown secret air Force documents relating to the find.
Great, you just implicated him in espionage. He was show secret documents and he told you. That's against the law!

Carbon dating shows it crash landed at the base of the canyon around 2,000 B.C.
Uh ... you can't carbon date a metallic object. Carbon dating only works on organic things.

Cabin features suggest that the crew members were much like humans, although significantly smaller.
If you know so much about them, why don't you know how many there were?

They apparently breathed oxygen
How can you possibly know that after 4,000 years?

, guided their atom powered craft with a magnetic steering system
If they had use of magnetic power, why did they need atomics?

and carried supplies of food and water on board.
Supposedly the ship wasn't that big. Do you have any idea how much space food and water takes up?

[b][size="3"]According to reports filed by the scientific team
They filed the reports? I thought the reports were secret?

, the spacecraft was lodged in limestone rubble at the base of the canyon
You can't carbon date limestone either.

not far from an area called Comanche Point.
I'm curious how the Comanche Point hiking groups missed it.


A thorough inspection of the landing site revealed that the spacecraft's occupants left their ship and lived near it for a number of years after it crashed.
And we know this because?

The finding proves the existence of a space alien colony on this planet nearly 3,500 years before Columbus!

This impression is confirmed by Indian cave paintings made at the time, the Air Force secret documents attest. The paintings, found near the crash site, show strange humanoid creatures with bulbous heads. Experts believe these creatures were the same aliens who arrived in the ancient UFO.
How do you know the ALIENS didn't paint the pictures? How do you know the pictures don't show OTHER aliens and not the ones who crashed?

The secret report said all traces of alien occupation disappeared within 50 years or so of the crash date. There is no indication of what might have happened to the extraterrestrials, the documents reveal.
Then how do you know what the aliens looked like, or that they were smaller than Human beings?

The ship is made of an extremely light metallic fiber, Dr. Leaumont said.

It measurers about 50 feet across at its widest point and it is 102 feet long. It's an incredible find - the latest in a series of artifacts collected secretly and hidden away in government UFO study centers
And they secretly took it out of the canyon how?


There's a lot of official concern about keeping this latest discovery a secret. They've been covering up the truth about alien contacts for 50 years and they're not going to stop now. They want to study this thing, but they want it only for themselves.

Who knows what scientists might learn if they'd share this priceless find with the rest of the world?

This article is sloppy from start to finish. It's not even close to original.

I think the bit at the bottoim of the first page tells me all i want to know....



Underlinded part i believe to be fact....

See, another part that doesn't hold up to science is the '50 years part'. Sorry, but after 4,000 years, you're not going to be as precise as that. There's no way in Heck they can possibly know that. You're simply not going to be able to tell, especially when you don't know how many there were, whether they lived there for 6 months or 300 years when you're looking at it 4,000 years after the fact: not without bodies, clamshells, or other stuff to estimate from.

This was just a waste of time to read. I am in no way a scientist, but even i could spot the flaws in the story.

They are close cousins.
One is BS.
The other is HS.

Oh man! I was starting to think how fascinateing this could be as a story. But now I'm just starting to change my perspective. Oh well that's why I'm a believer AND a bit of a skeptic, cause there is always someone out there willing to make a buck off of this subject. sigh... whatever. Thanks for the additional info everyone.

they can't have been thatsecret they posted it on the interwebs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but how is carbon dating going to help determine when an extraterrestrial metallic object landed? That is just rubbish.

From wikipedia:

...to determine the age of carbonaceous materials up to about 60,000 years.

Just this little slip up in the story already disproves it.

I totally agree. It's rubbish.

BTW, SD ... I know we've pretty much thrashed this article, but I really and sincerely want to thank you for this one, because it's been awhile since I had a good article to really debunk, and this one woke me up. I appreciate you posting this one. I'll try to look and see if I can find a few more for the debunking machine.

This post has been edited by kirin-rex: May 13 2008, 01:32 AM

its unbeliavable what people can believe in

this is true,some people don't believe that star trek was real!!!!!!!!!!!

You are welcome.
I feel it is always good to be familiar with all stories, good and bad. This helps us to maintain healthy level of skepticism, something everyone should have.

This author was careless. He didn't do his research about carbon dating, for example. Things like this can be written well, so that debunking is next to impossible (also proof is impossible, of course). But one has to be extremely careful when concocting such a hoax.

It's something I would like to believe but is pretty obvious a story and thats it.