There are a couple of other things I thought about with the aliens that people are so easily fooled by. People have mentioned that aliens have created us, etc etc. There is no way possible for an alien to create me during the process of giving birth, etc etc. How can an alien know when male and female have intercourse, and then suddenly the child is formed? See, if aliens so called created the first humans on this earth, don't you think they would make them to look exactly like them? Why would aliens create humans in the first place? And then now a days, i learned they like to study us for obvious reasons, like with the Hills. I read I think that they were astounded or something to see the different backgrounds the Hills had like with them being from different heritages if im not mistaking. Why would they create a race of beings that seem inferior to them? Another thought and question: see, this is where it gets crazy and freaky. Ok, notice the order of things in life, Humans ruling over animals, like it states in the scriptures, there are a certain order of things, like marriage, and a lot of other things. Human beings are complex in design, why would they need to be studied by aliens? If they created them inside and out. Anyways, God saw that man(adam) was a lone and that it was not good so He made woman(eve), and this makes perfect sense, cause of things today like with marriage, girl friends, etc etc., and with people working, just like in Genesis, as a curse to man's disobedience to God, man was cursed to work. Now, ask yourself this, would aliens intentionally put us here to work? And for what reasons?

Also, if you notice in the scriptures, down through the ages, the children of isreal, back then, who were the chosen ones at those times, are still around and why would they make up a whole lot of laws about things when in fact, God said one day He will choose someone else other than them due to their disobedience, in other words, they wouldn't be the only ones to serve Him, and they rejected Christ also. Why would they write about themselves and then have themselves rejected like this? Sure there are similar stories just like that of Noah in the Scriptures, but to imply that the bible was written from other religious books or stories can easily be rebutted. The story of the flood is similar in other religions and with the beginning of times, but someone would need a lot more books from those religions to make up the other books of the bible, including those in the new testament, and that's impossible. The flood is just one that is similar but there are more books in the bible and none of those aren't borrowed because the teachings aren't like other religions. None of them teach and tell the things of the future, and whatever is going on with these aliens, is mentioned in there indirectly, and I can show you. And somewhere it is stated "they shall mingle with the seed of men"...

So go figure LOL. Aliens would have to make two humans with all these organs and then animals and then insects, and so forth and I dont think they are even interested in those things. They don't even care. From what I hear the so called reptilians can't even survive on the surface, that's probably why they dwell underground.

To clear up another matter. There are some who say that the Eloheim are mistakenly translated for aliens or gods instead of God. When in fact, the verb associated with the word God in the bible, in each instance, is singular and not plural. Each time that word God shows up, the verb is singular. Maybe when it talks about the trinity being one or something, or when God refers to US meaning the Angel of the Lord and Himself. How on earth can aliens even inspire a bible to be written when in fact, the doctrines they teach are not of this world and have nothing to do with the Bible. We have to think about these things. Someone on or something had to create these beings and I'm on the verge of figuring this whole thing out, like where and how they got here.

From what I learned, aliens have lied to people and do lie to humans. It's true and I have lots of proof. They are evil and deceiving beings who use our love and compassion for us to get through to us.

With the greatest of respect that was one of the worst thought out pieces of logic in relation to 'breeding' that I've come across....I do agree that we are not some kind of hybrid but if you understood anything of genetic engineering and cross fertilisation (which we presume aliens do) then most of what you said above falls at the first hurdle.....

I'm really sorry to have to say that but I think your religious convictions are clouding your judgement....

Ben

I promised myself I would not say a word about this thread. It would only get me in trouble. .......... Ben said it nicely.

why did people breed people for slavery? Don't underestimate the power of greed.

Of course aliens didn't create me... My parents are certainly NOT aliens! :eek:

Haha.



But in all seriousness, I'd like to know who came up with a theory that aliens created us in the first place? That's one I have yet to hear.

That confused me, and when I get cunfused, I tend to stop caring enough to ask what do you mean, so it's safe to assume I don't care what made humanity as long as good things happen to me. Even if someone prooves that we evolved, it's honestly not going to change how we live, because it appearently is how we live.

your don't care about where you came from? how can you ever truly understand yourself.

"do agree that we are not some kind of hybrid but if you understood anything of genetic engineering and cross fertilisation (which we presume aliens do) then most of what you said above falls at the first hurdle....." No offense to you either ben, but do you even understand genetic engineering and cross fertilization? LOL. In all seriousness, it is occuring to me that everything the scriptures speaks of in the last days is coming to face and im talking everything that is happening with wars and rumors of wars, the falling away of people from the faith, etc etc, due to the fact they see aliens out there. Yes, aliens are real, and that doesnt mean that God isnt real. Just because the angels of old testament messed around with the daughters of men, the people didnt stop believing in God, now did they? Those angels intervened in His plans, just like aliens ar doing now. I will say this though, I don't care what anyone on here believes but I'm sticking to my faith and focusing on serving God than worrying about whether aliens created humans or not lol. Ive come too far to give up now and im not stopping lol. I could go on and on.

I understand the necessity to defend your faith - and I respect you for it - but if a) You're talking about the God of the Old testament, then I fear no amount of dialogue could make you see another way....

Yes I do know a fair bit about genetic engineering and cross fertilisation - more so given that during my time as a farmer one had to.

c) I don't see any shift away from a belief in God because of 'aliens' - there is a shift away from God (I agree) but it has more to do with science, evolution and the failure of any so called God to right the oh so evident injustices in this world.....Aliens just don't figure in it save for a very, very small minority who are I agree moving towards a UFO/Religious status - but they are so tiny as to be miniscule....evolution is what has sounded the death knell for God....

Ben

I got lost after the first few sentences, but from what I read
A) i dont think anybody is claiming that they as a person are the DIRECT consequence of alien creation
Your question as to why would an alien create an 'inferior' race to themselves, isnt that what God did anyway?
C) Im not going to bother reading the rest, sorry

yea well i dont really have to defend my faith cause everything that is spoken of in the scriptures are coming to pass, even with aliens and ufos. many false christs are to rise and show many signs, lying wonders, etc etc that even christians might or will be fooled. for one thing, genetic engineering if that was used, the aliens sure do have a hard time making clones of people in the underground alien bases. since some think aliens created us, then ok, first, why do people think they are here to study us? they're not here to study anyone, thats a lie. for one thing, i learned the greys need human dna for a lot of things like for survival or making other alien greys and i can show you a link to someone who spoke out about this. he was a former security officer who worked for the government/alien cohort. His name was thomas castello. anyways, why would an alien create a human just for survival or to take dna from them to make other aliens? Im not trying argue lol. I'm just stating what I have learned in research to them.

These are quite interesting to see what others think of this. I'm not here to make anyone believe in God or nothing even though I do.

Hi Chosen i'm not mocking your belief in God, I also believe in God, but I am just trying to make sense of that last post. So greys need human DNA to make other greys? to a degree i think that sorta contradicts the argument that aliens didnt create us, if they needed our dna to survive that would be enough reason to engineer us I'd say. If this was the case what did they do before they found us?

out of curiosity can you post that link to this Thomas Costello?

well ill tell you what, just go online to a search engine, and type in the dulce book and you will find out everything you want to know about thomas castello and a couple of others who spoke out about what they knew. it's called the dulce book, just type it in from a search engine

I don't think I want to understand myself, Mandelasdiscple. I read a quote somewhere. It said "If we could understand ourselves, we'd be too simple to understand ourselves." I honestly have to agree, and I think if I understood myself, I'd really have nothing to do. So, knowing what made me isn't a big issue to me. If aliens did, I wouldn't care. If a god or God did, then I wouldn't care. It doesn't honeslty matter, because I can't do anything about it. What has happened has happened.

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce/chapter21.htm

I had a read of this today. Interesting stuff. but whats it got to do with aliens creating or not creating people?

i tell you what, many many social and political problems have happened and continue to happen because people don't know who they are. It is essential.

Ben ben.,.cross fertilisation of a seed, and genetic engineering of an entire species are far removed from each other..To make a seed become a hybrid of itself is not the same as a hybrid-being/human. Not even close. Can you turn an apple seed into a pear?? I highly doubt that!!!

I find when people have religious tendicies and those who dont, that those who do have a book that they can read and determine what is what and use that book-the bible for referencing says alot.

A non religious person also talking of that same book cannot know the truth of that book as they dont believe in it in the first place.

So to say that someones religion is bad and irrelevant as you constantly state is really not being very nice to others Ben but thinking of yourself as above them.

Your not..Ben you state you know Alien intervention or visitation isnt real, why? because you said so!

You state that religious people have their own beliefs based on this bible but in the same sentence you claim that you know for a fact it isnt true.

Again your own personel beleif is better than anyone elses.

Someone asks a question about the UFO.Abduction phenomenon and you call them "eletists"..

Ben you can have your own opinion, but dont say its based on facts because you were a farmer and understand genetic manipulation.

You do not, I know a scientist spersonally_ I Maintain his websites and he is involved witrh DNA and believe me your farming techniques do not mimic embryo techniques one ioto.

Your dealing with no human seeds which have nothing to fo with reprodutcive values in humans and the possibility of an outside being manipulating a human species for whatever reason.

No offense Ben-you know we get on...But this constant villification of others makes you seem eleitists not them.

You have no seen a UFO that defied explanation yet you comment that they dont exist.

You claim you know that abductions are all the same , yet youve never had an experience.

Ben the world is made up of those who think they know the answers and those of us who would never claim that.

I think of myself from the latter.

I don't deride anyone over their experiences or encounters, and I Listen to what people have to say, not say can you spell or what was that nonsense etc...not everyone knows the truth and not everyone knows tha answers but we are trying to put the puzzles together into something that can be looked at, not dismissed out of hand.

As soon as you state no no no al lthe time, your open mindeness goes out the window and your clouded by your own beliefs, if you can have these beliefs why can't others, the universe is not this 2 D place where everything fits neatly into place, its a Universe of change and chaos and out of this chaos we are trying to distinguish between what is real and what isn't.

But you always say no no , why is that. Why are you so closed to possibilities, let your mind open to thye Universe Ben not close to your own belies which are crushing your sense of openess.

Until you do have events as we have, im sure you cannot know what hapened, specualting opf this sleep disorder etc..is very teiresome when its not an answer only a possibility and I lok at al possibilities Ben before I state what I think.

Luckily for me I have had certain experiences in my life that allows me to look deeper and not blankelty state all the time, nothing happened, your sleep paralysis did it, your imagining it. Why is it that we dont imagine other things while wide awake and yet when wide awake and have an experience its somehow a sleep problem, yet while wide awake?

This sleep disorder is a very small percentasge of the population as does not represent even 5 % of peoples experiences. I think you should calm down Ben and just allow people to write what they have experinced without having a negastive response becasue thyey post weird or they spell funny or there sentences dont make sense.

Instead of deriding these posts we should be asking what did you mean there I didnt understrand, not..anyway.. Im just tired of the way the net works thesedays..Not that much compassion anywhere for those who have posted something outrageous to you and others.

So he didnt understand gentic engineering, he asked a question..Again you stated his religious beliefs clouds his judgement. Why does it not cloud his judgments in real life then, by your wording he canoot function without religious beliefs.

Look Ben there is no law stating you cannot have religious beliefs or any beliefs but stop stating you know about how Abductions work or visitations you dont , no-one does. Many claim to though..

I believe in many things Ben, not everything!!!But I wil not state anywhere that someone didnt have the experience (except Whitley Strieber *S* haha) they stated they did on text in a post, that is very un-scientific if you ask me. You cannot convey the emotion through a few lines of text as you cannot expect to dismiss anything on a few lines of text either.

By the way I did many spellign mistakes..I hjop eyou dont briong them up S**

avagoodwewekend Ben and dont forget to bring your good sense of humour

Perfictly dark it has nothing to do with aliens creating us or not. I just thought you'd might like to read up on it, thats all. lol. You know, quite honestly, I've also hear tell of people saying that the reptilians are the seed of the serpant from the garden of eden. 2 things wrong with this picture. first of all, we know from science class that animals and humans dont have the same number of chromosomes and can no way have intercourse and then eve give birth to some disgusting looking reptilian that has been seen in places like california or missouri. Second, from my understanding, Satan can never create life, and since others say that he was the serpent in the Garden. Not to argue with anyone about this but it's just another theory people have about aliens. Anyways, ufos and aliens had to have had an origin somewhere. But anyways, I dont want this thread to get too out of hand. I know you all have your own beliefs and I respect that. I dont want to create an international incident on here

One sense of humour coming up T.c - I'm sorry to have to say it but on just about every point you make I consider you wrong - but hey I'm smiling as I write lol -

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Indeed we can T.c - we are forbidden morally to mess with human genes and are therefore limited in that whole field of genetic expirementation in that field - but please - trust me - if we can do this by simply messing with the cells - think what we can do by manipulating the DNA?


Currently we have corn growing which thinks it's a Pineapple (or to be more precise contains Pineapple genes) and there are very good reasons for this but I'm damned if I know what they are....we have white tomatoes - we can do ANYTHING but we are limited by strict laws!!! If we wanted to then tomorrow we could create a human with the skin of a reptile - we know the Genes for skin in both the human and reptile skin - all we have to do is manipulate them - I'm not suggesting we should or that anyone should want to - but Yes we can do it - but we're not allowed to!

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No there's no sense of being above them - that sounds defensive on your part to be honest. If someone brings a religious argument to the table of science then they belong in the 12th century - not now - read the world's greatest living Scientist please! Dawkins. They are two incompatible branches of human thought, enquiry and experience (Lest someone makes a religion of science?).

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I'm not sure what you mean by this??? Would you determine a Horse was a good prospect in a race by analysing Cricket or Baseball? Different subjects require common factors before any comparison can be made - and when dealing with genetics and science you are not going to find comparisons in the Bible - no matter how hard the New Christian Fundamentalists try.

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No you obviously haven't been reading my posts properly - I call them elitist when they make themselves out to have special powers or to have been 'chosen' - that smacks of religious talk - no more no less.....

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One I have never said they don't exist - ever - once again you have not been interpreting or reading my posts properly - I am here because I believe in Aliens and UFO's - I always have done!!! Six years now T.c and you still haven't worked out where I'm coming from? Please READ my posts!!! You are obviously also unaware that I HAVE seen what can only be called an interplanetary craft or UFO which WAS NOT of this earth - so I dunno why you get the idea otherwise? Is it because I won't subscribe to EVERY AND ANY crackpot theory that gets advanced in this field?

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NO I haven't - once again you have not been reading my posts properly or the threads in their entirety - You've been 'dipping into them.

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No one has a monopoly on wisdom or truth T.c (And least of all me) - but if none of us claimed to have the answer to anything then nothing whatever would ever be known!! Someone has to know the answers to some things - and with our current knowledge standing at where it is I know the answer (using the scientific method) to heaps of things - I am no encyclopdiea however and there's some (most) fields where I am desperately out of my depth - but you seem to forget that I AM A SCIENTIST T.c - I'm not a layman who tries to apply his own thoughts or ideas to a given subject - I am a Social Scientist with Honours Degrees in two differing disciplines both of which involve Applied Social Sciences - what's the point of becoming a scientist if when we apply our findings we then say 'But it could all be bullshit coz Jimmy from down the pub reckons it's wanked?' LOL C'mon don't you see where I am coming from?????

You see T.c - and I mean this in the nicest way possible - You never cease to tell us of the SCIENTIFIC verification of the person's inquiries you assist with web pages - as that quite rightly re-inforces and helps prove his case - but when someone like me then rolls out the arguments of science against something which YOU believe in, it suddenly becomes something which should be overlooked - Surely you can see the contradiction therein T.c? I don't just pass out my personal thoughts here (although sometimes I do) - I use my knowledge of Sociology, Social psychology and Anthropology to state my case - just because I don't dress it up in 'science speak' makes it no less a perspective from therein.

Hey BTW - I passed by your Area a couple of weeks ago - I was so tempted to find you and go for a beer lol Love the trains you got down there - those double deck things - cool!

Ben